(Topic ID: 229216)

A clarification


By pinsanity

3 months ago



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    #1 3 months ago

    on what constitutes the "Australian pinball community".

    There has been a recent post made in the Homepin thread here which I believe needs correction as it does a disservice to the integrity of the broader Australian pinball scene.

    The post in question is this one below:

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/homepin-official-thread-pinball-parts-machine-progress/page/63#post-4682391

    and makes the generalisation that the Australian pinball community gave it's full (impliedly unquestioning) support to the new (at the time) pinball venture from Homepin.

    I have largely let the Homepin thread roll along to its inevitable drawn out climax because most pinsiders outside of Australia have been smart enough to have avoided being caught up in this financially but the above post demands an obvious correction inasmuch as it paints the entire Australian pinball community as a bunch of drones who lack the foresight to do their own due diligence on new pinball manufacturers.

    This is far from the case as most people within the Australian pinball community who have no local forum loyalty ties were highly skeptical and dubious about this new startup based behind the bamboo curtain and certainly had no inclination in putting money down with such even as far back as 2013 and less than a week after the project was first announced. In fact, some of those (including yours truly) after doing due diligence felt that these concerns should be voiced not only on a local level, but should the need arise on an international platform as well. Unfortunately in the case of the former that wasn't permissable at the time as explained further on.

    The reasons for this were numerous and without going into specifics there were instances of past behaviours when money for a new venture had been taken, and with less than 10% paid for product being delivered years later, the excuses as to why the remainder could not be delivered began surfacing. This scenario should sound very familiar to those who have been following this local Aussie saga for any length of time.

    The reality is that the only Australians down here who have cheerleadered this venture from the beginning without question have been those with direct ties to either of the two local forums namely AussieArcade.com and Aussiepinball.com. This is because the Admins of both forums have had up until recently prolonged commercial financial arrangements with Homepin stretching back years and which has allowed them to maintain the narrative that all was above board with Homepin Aus Pty Ltd or the Katana HK Trading Company or whatever business name Homepin was/is now trading under.

    In light of how the entire venture has inevitably gone pear shaped both forums have subsequently removed all references to Homepin and one has taken the added steps of refusing to allow the company to even be mentioned in any context - embarassed about their ineptitude, covering up their level of culpability? You decide but this is why there are a number of new Aussie prepayers now making their voice be known in the Homepin thread on pinside as the local avenues for redress have been severed.

    To put it into perspective these two forums combined constitute approximately 5% of the total Australian pinball community so to infer that "full support for this venture was right across the Australian pinball community" is not only disingenuous but insulting to the intelligence of the 95% who don't have local forum loyalties but do have the ability to use their own critical thinking and engage in due diligence.

    #2 3 months ago

    I haven’t kept up, what happened with Homepin?

    #3 3 months ago
    Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

    I haven’t kept up, what happened with Homepin?

    Homepin is busy building and shipping machines all the while improving them. Pinsanity is jealous, simple as that.

    Yes we are late delivering but we have a better product because of that.

    The part of the Homepin story that is casually "glossed over" by most (including the OP) is that halfway through the build of the Homepin factory - from an empty shell of a building in a foreign country - my wife passed away.......this single event changed all things "Homepin" forever.

    There is not a single day that has passed where I don't think of her and miss our close connection. Karen was literally "the girl next door".

    Her passing brought my entire life, including businesses, crashing down but at the same time I lost all interest in morons trying to "call me out" for ripping people off or whatever other crap they want to spew forth. Say what you like OP - I really don't give a toss. I will finish my obligations to those who trusted me to supply a machine in the fastest possible time I can given the hurdles that I still have to overcome every day.

    As far as the two Aussie forums go, AA simply got sick of people like you regurgitating crap - that's why you are banned (I guess you already know that) so they just stopped people from posting rubbish about Homepin and Thunderbirds - they created a private thread FOR PEOPLE WITH A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THUNDERBIRDS, not stirrers and troublemakers with ZERO money in the game. AP, well, it has all of 20 members............

    But such is the nature of negative people. Can't do it yourself so do your best to pull others down to your own sewer level. Give it a rest will you!

    #4 3 months ago

    WTF is the point of this post?

    Sorry to hear about your wife, HP, that would absolutely crush me.

    #5 3 months ago

    How late are they games ?
    Most people are happy to wait and are understanding when things happen.
    Sorry for your loss

    #6 3 months ago
    Quoted from Londonpinball:

    How late are they games ?
    Most people are happy to wait and are understanding when things happen.
    Sorry for your loss

    This is a VERY brief summary:

    * A little over 4 years ago the project to build Thunderbirds Pinball was mooted.
    * Pre-order buyers came on board at this time with an estimated delivery time of around two years
    * I went to China and leased an empty building, bought equipment, employed staff and built a factory
    * halfway through this process my wife passed away throwing everything into array
    * six months later my Chinese programmer died in his dormitory (provided by me, thus causing massive issues)
    * finally we started to build finished machines early this year. Very slowly and cautiously and needing refinement
    * the Chinese Govt started making massive demands of all local businesses thus preventing us from making cabinets at our existing factory. This meant I had to lease a second space in a more lenient area - time wasted, money spent.
    * Machines are just this last couple of months now refined and shipping albeit very slowly.

    The reality is the games are about two years late by the calendar but circumstances largely out of my control have created the majority of these delays. I will admit to some of them due to my lack of knowledge in all things "China".

    They are now being built and distributed via Highway Games. Because some of the newly built machines are going to new distributors around the world, some pre-order buyers have their nose out of joint and rightly so. The reality is, if we don't do things this way, Homepin would probably fold and they will never receive their games.

    Businesses and business direction changes all the time. That's just how it is.

    Right now, today, Homepin is still here building machines and allocating some of them to pre-order buyers. We will get there and they will all be delivered. The constant whining of a few won't get them built or delivered any faster especially the few who see it as their God given right to come on here (and other places) complaining about me, Homepin, Thunderbirds Pinball and anything else they can complain about to try and bring me down DESPITE having no interest in the game and no money involved. How can those actions, by a few, be helpful in any way whatsoever?

    #7 3 months ago

    Great update and info, your a man who doesn’t quit or hide.
    Good luck on the business, it can take 10 years to be a overnight success

    I would be proud to have got this far with all the challenges you face.

    #8 3 months ago

    Wow, your story would make a fantastic movie or.... a pinball machine!

    Man, my sincere and heartfelt condolences for the loss of your wire. That truly sucks. Keep on building!

    1 week later
    #9 89 days ago
    Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

    WTF is the point of this post?

    Proactive absolution in anticipation of a future event based on past empirical data.

    #10 89 days ago
    Quoted from pinsanity:

    Proactive absolution in anticipation of a future event based on past empirical data.

    weird

    2 months later
    #11 7 days ago
    Quoted from Homepin:

    As far as the two Aussie forums go, AA simply got sick of people like you regurgitating crap - that's why you are banned (I guess you already know that) so they just stopped people from posting rubbish about Homepin and Thunderbirds - they created a private thread FOR PEOPLE WITH A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THUNDERBIRDS, not stirrers and troublemakers with ZERO money in the game. AP, well, it has all of 20 members............

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/homepin-official-thread-pinball-parts-machine-progress/page/70#post-4829729

    You know the iceberg has been hit when the rats start jumping ship.

    It was always inevitable and just a matter of time.

    Bumper Action redux.

    #12 7 days ago
    Quoted from pinsanity:

    Proactive absolution in anticipation of a future event based on past empirical data.

    You think you're so important to the pinball world that you need absolution. Christ, every time I have hope for my Aussie friends, some a-hole has to screw it up...

    #13 7 days ago
    Quoted from pinsanity:

    You know the iceberg has been hit when the rats start jumping ship.
    It was always inevitable and just a matter of time.
    Bumper Action redux.

    Hmmmm..... and what does this mean exactly.... The guy was pretty straight forward on what happened to him to cause the delays. Are you calling him a liar or what? Shit Happens Man! It sucks that things didn't go as planned, I get that. Some business start ups take years and no guarantees. When people invest in such business start ups it is a High Risk Venture to say the least. At this point it seems that the folks that invested and took those risks on this company start up should focus on the silver lining here in getting what they paid for. It could always be worse, look at the DP situation.

    #14 6 days ago
    Quoted from Rondogg:

    You think you're so important to the pinball world that you need absolution. Christ, every time I have hope for my Aussie friends, some a-hole has to screw it up...

    This venture was screwed long before I began voicing my concerns publicly.

    Anyone who has the intelligence to do due diligence on new startups and the final outcomes of their previous ventures under a different trading name would have known that long ago instead of mindlessly jumping in at this late stage with banal platitudes like "hope".

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