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I agree this thread is total bullshit

If she was in her right mind and well off I have no problem with you buying the game for $900. I also believe that once you pay her and drive away it is yours to do whatever you want. But......you had the annoying problem of other people wanting it and some even told her what is was really worth. Big deal. Then you come here and say it HAD to be some of you guys emailing her. So we are you enemy? You are so sure of that? Yet, you want is to be happy for you? OK, whatever.

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I love that link so much sometimes.

Well, Disney does have a large number of arcades containing pins, so you're supporting pinball in a way.... or at least more than the seller lady would have with an additional $2100. Just be sure to pump lots of change into those pins while you're there. My buddy at work told me there's a Tron at the Riverside arcade.

Also, you're a jerk for getting a deal like this instead of me.

I can always count on Pinside to fully entertain me whilst I sip my morning coffee.

You should really quit while you're behind but some people just don't know when to stop. Go watch 'Cool Hand Luke' if you haven't already to see how that ends.

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Then why are you here? Most people come for advice, or talking pinball. If you don't value our opinions, why would we value yours?

I'm clearly in the minority here, but I honestly don't understand why you guys are pissed. This guy saw a good deal, jumped on it and hoped that no one else blocked the sale. The definition of fair market value is the price a well-informed buyer will buy from a well-informed seller when neither are under duress. You could argue the seller wasn't well-informed and you'd be right. However it's the seller's responsibility to do research prior to listing it for sale. Bottom line is it's a zero-sum game. Someone wins and someone loses on every sale of every item sold each and every day. Pinball is not magically different than any other hard good. If he'd lied to her or tried to manipulate her into selling it to him instead of the other bidders, that'd be a different story.

He had no more obligation to give the pin to his kid than he has to buy her a pony. He had no obligation in the sale to his friend's friend than to sell it for fair market value. Yea, he's bragging and yea he comes off as a money grubbing dick, but technically he did nothing wrong. Consider the guy that bought an original MM for 3K and is now trying to sell the dead carcass for $20K. One is a visionary, the other a bastard? That seems skewed, no?

I look into my crystal ball and I see a future where new Stern LE's are regularly 10K and the premiums are 8.5K. POS pins that used to cost 1.5K are now selling for 3-4K because people are being priced out of the A-list titles. Are you going to sell your pins for what you paid for them? Maybe donate them to a home for wayward orphans? I'm not a flipper and don't think they're good for the hobby, but I accept it's going the way of golf. That's sad, but limited supply and growing demand dude.. it's inevitable.

Note to self... Never tell pinside about a good deal...

Had a somewhat similar incident.

Spotted a Simpson's on Craigslist and got the first call in. Had a deal all set.

Some low life did a phone number search, showed up UNINVITED at the seller's house and LIED through their teeth about how they were a lawyer and the seller had to sell to him because he was offering more money.

IOW, there are some real scoundrels in this hobby. Not many, just some. I learned my lesson, on the odd chance I find something on Craigs, it's just as fair to flag the heck out of an ad to keep the lowlife liars from screwing somebody else's deal.

I can see why you are excited. You got a lot of money for a little bit if time, that is awesome for you, but you aren't on a Capitalism forum, you are on a hobbyist forum. In the Capitalist forum, you would have received high fives all around, in the hobbyist forum, what else did you expect?

There have been guys looking for this machine for their personal collection for a long time, but it is in the threshold of pricing not attainable by a lot of collectors. To have been the recipient of this machine after many years of searching, would have given the collector that same feeling that your daughter will experience at Disney World.

Karma... maybe Hurricane (insert name) will come thru during your Disney Vacation.

Did you tell your friend how much you paid for the machine?

I don't know which set of people in this story are the bigger D-bags.

The flipper, or the guys trying to squeeze him out of the deal.

The OP is a nice example of why the pin hobby is such a mine field of turds. It's stuff like this really makes you appreciate when you find the "good" guys in the hobby.

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Your story is nothing new. It happens pretty much anytime a pinball machine or any high dollar item is offered for significantly less than what it's worth. I see nothing wrong with the others trying to steal your deal or you selling it for a profit.

edit: how do you know the others trying to c%c&block (your term) were collectors and not just flippers (what you were in this particular situation)? Note that i am not using the term flipper as a pejorative.

2nd edit: I once offered full asking price for a pin where the seller told me another dude was coming but that he might only be willing to pay 60% of asking price. Was that in bad form? The game was a $2500 TOTAN and the guy said the guy coming to get it might only pay $1500 for it. It was easily a $4000 pin at the time. Bah, i don't give a rat's a$$ if it was in poor form. lol.

I'm sure they weren't trying to jack your purchase. Their iPhones probably "left out a key word or two."

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whos-getting-the-600-stargate-in-va#post-1108896

^ Key takeaway from that thread

whats funny is how the op has thumbs downed every negative post against him to try to solidify his side of the argument.

By the way what a total douche, shoulda just kept his mouth shut enjoyed Disney and moved on.

Or better yet like someone else said, shoulda cleaned up the machine and given it to his daughter...a weekend worth of memories at Disney or a decade of memories playing a pin with the characters she loves....

HAHAHA!!

What I want to know is how it felt to take advantage of a friend of a friend.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but maybe.... just maybe.... you're the issue.

Something to consider.

Blatant sociopath.