I can when i get home

Oh man i'm really sorry, I forgot to and my Xenon is gone now. Sorry

Jwwgold,

Here are some pics of the detection switch wire. It's a bit of a tricky one as the side view shows it does not come straight through the side of the ramp. There is a significant loop before it enters the slot. Hopefully these will give you an idea of the shape of the wire.

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My xenon was constantly shooting both balls into the shooter lane at start up and I was baffled for the longest time. I re-adjusted the trip wire on that micro several times, finally i just disconnected the switch and the game works fine now, go figure!

Well so far there hasn't been any confusion since I disconnected the micro. During a multi-ball game, when the first ball drains, it is sent to the ball release coil to the far right of the trough. Once it hits that spot, it closes a switch under the pf and the MPU sees that it's there. When the second ball drains it will remain in the outhole and then the game will tally the score and proceed to the next ball in play. As soon as the next ball is released, the ball in the outhole will be kicked over to the ball release immediately and will remain there until the next drain and so on.

Even when game is in attract mode and there's no balls in the game, as soon as you add the first ball it should be kicked over. If you press the start button, the game will not start until the second ball is added and sits in the outhole pocket(center of the apron).

i noticed when I swapped my xenon playfield to another one my switch did not have the wire there either. mine played fine, multiball and everything. I was thinking maybe this switch was for book keeping or something ? anyone know for sure ?

I'm not sure but my Xenon would shoot both balls into the shooter lane just about every time when either I started a new game or when both balls drained together. Since I disconnected the micro it's been fine. If I ever get to email Greg Kmiec again, I will ask him. For now his email is stuck in a crashed hard drive.

Xenon was originally designed as a 1 ball game and they added the multi-ball option at the last minute, so the whole ball release setup was a bit of a botch job (think the American term is kludge)!

I've had this issue in the past with my Xenon also. The first time it was just a small adjustment to the micro switch in the ball trough. Where the ball hits it as its loaded forward into this position it had dented in by about a millimetre. That millimetre made all the difference.

The second time I had issues it was the second switch in the ball trough. The one underneath. When the balls are loaded into this area if the switch does not close then the machine doesn't realise that it has already loaded a ball onto the shooter lane and loads the second one on.

Both of these issues can also cause you further problems with the ball not registering in the kick out whole at the end of the tube shot.

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You can see the small deflection in the switch arm on mine above. That was enough to cause two balls to load.
By the looks of it this is a very common issue with Xenon. I love mine though its a little rough. It is in the queue for a full restoration. Fortunately I have a new CPR playfield and plastics set to go with it.

Awesome, Xenon was my first resto. http://southjerseypinball.com/gallery/v/lovef2k/

I have the card stock for the entire game if you want to buy a set. The only sticker that I didn't reproduce is the one on the outside of the head, I think it was the ICC warning. These are same as the ones I used on this game and they look 100% original.

$35 for the set plus postage

Rich

Thanks for the offer Rich. PM sent.