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3 Different types of Night Moves?

By LunchMoney

5 years ago


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#3 5 years ago

Wow that's weird looks like they stole Game Plan's shooter rod housing and modded it with a bally bezel? I've known about these 3 apron variations and the 2 cabinet variations there certainly neat. Thanks for using my before pic there with the gold curtains. lol I believe NM is the best cocktail pin out there it really packs a lot of fun into a small space, and I think you can consider it a widebody pin too!

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#9 5 years ago

Yea I was trying to figure out the actual production run myself? Pinside states 450 NM were produced which seems like a pretty big gap to me from what you're reporting, 870 according to Mr. Pinball's Price guide? So they were made at the Gottlieb plant which I've heard has impeccable records. I wonder if someone could contact Steve Young perhaps, doesn't he have the rights?

Here's a cool little blurb I read about NM, a recount of the 1989 Gottlieb Factory tour part of the Pinball Expo written by Russ Jensen.

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#12 5 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I have no problem evaluating hard evidence, but seriously?, you heard it from some guy typically in the know? Please name this expert, close friend of yours.

Why did they not even get the date right, these are facts? lol And what does ICO stand for that makes no sense wouldn't it be ICI? Is it stating less than 870 or greater than 870 I'm confuses here? Also Whats the * referring to I don't have the guide?

International Concepts Inc (ICI), Night Moves 1989 & Caribbean Cruise 1990 whats so hard about that?

#14 5 years ago

I don't know, just solely based on the fact that they don't even have the manufactured year right stating it's a 1991 instead 1989? And the asterisk after the <870* he's blatantly saying this is an estimate with a 80% confidence level. Well going off of IPSND and their 14 registered serial numbers and 44 owners listed in peoples collection here in Pinside I'd say statically I'm leaning towards Pinside's estimate of 450 more.

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#19 5 years ago

I knew there was a reason why I went there just lost focus, you're absolutely right! Sometimes manufactures do weird things like start at 200 and stuff like that but I think that's pretty solid evidence that there's about 800-900 units showing there in the somewhat sequential 14 serial numbers listed in the page. Perhaps with this thread we can convince some of the 44 people here on pinside to go register their serials so we may have a clearer view?

I have noticed a weird pattern to the serials, the metal only apron guards & slimmer cabinet with low pf angle are in the 400's and I'd consider that the 1st wave, the short apron guards & slimmer cabinet with low pf angle (like mine) are in the 200's and I'd consider that the 2nd wave (because I have the 2 holes in my apron for the previous center metal guard) finally the 3rd wave and the one I've personally seen the most of is the tall apron guards & deep cabinet seem to be in the 600's and up.

#22 5 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

Where is serial number at? I can go check mine if you want gmkalos.

Playfield date and serial number would be the most helpful, mine is 3/1/1989 (i think) the other date of NOV 29 ESC must be for the clear coat or vice versa? And my serial number is #000260. My game was really clean with less than 800 plays when I got it and virtually no wear.

The serial numbers are stamped around the coin box or inside the cabinet in ink, I found mine in small stickers right between the initials buttons, there also on every board sticker and stamped into the shooter rail.

Seems like reading the serials towards the end of the run they started stamping them on the shooter rail, looking at the last serial entry of 1190 (JUL 26 1991) they dropped the 000.
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#25 5 years ago

Interesting now that does seem like there being consecutive, you have to have the lowest SN man thanks! In this other thread the Cocktail Club another owner has a 1st run (metal apron guards and shallow cabinet) and his sn is 000383.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-cocktail-club/page/2

#27 5 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

Mine is stamped 009 on siderail of playfield (note the other pf i referenced w 1990 stamp is not in my game but a nos wall hanger i have)

Gotcha that must be a good felling to have a nos pf, probably one of the rarest nos pfs out there but because of the cocktail stigma not worth its weight in rarity...yet. lol The story from Todd Tuckey in one of the NM videos was that they were selling these poor home owners/failing operators nos parts must be where that came from.

Well you have the lowest number yet, now is yours a 1st run metal apron guard & shallow cabinet too, and do you have that Gameplan looking plunger handle bezel on yours? That's the only other variation I've seen yet.

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#34 5 years ago

Well were seeing pretty consistent numbers from 1-1,200 ending in odds and evens. Who knows they could have only used like 1-20, 100-120, 200-220 etc. We are showing somewhat of a trend, looks like all the metal apron guards and slim cabinets are within serial numbers 1-400 ish and the deep cabinets are 600 and up? I think if we could pay closer attention to the 4 distinctive different types of NM's and maybe the placement of the stamped serial number inside the cabinet we may see a pattern?

#1 - Gameplan/Bally style shooter bezel w/metal apron guards and slim cabinet

#2 - Metal apron guards and slim cabinet

#3 - Short plastic apron guards and slim cabnet

#4 - Tall plastic apron guards and deep cabinet

Look I'll be the first one to blatantly say I only see 1-2 of these a year for sale, I've seen more Caribbean Cruises out there this past year or so.

#35 5 years ago

Someone must know somebody who has access to these Gottlieb/Premier records for this game, all of the other 4 games on IPDB made in the same factory at the same time are confirmed with exact counts?

#36 5 years ago

In 1989 the Gottlieb/Premier factory made 4 games all with around 2,000 units. That was their confirmed full production run probably spanning a few years just like NM has shown with the high numbers ending around 1992! And these were there main games, so it's not unreasonable that they cranked out about half of that quota for a side project like NM over the course of 3 years 1989-1992. Did not find any noticeable serial number similarities with these 4 games?

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#37 5 years ago

A 1993 Gottlieb/Premier factory tour with John Norris passes by this small line up of short wide boxes of "old games", could be a bunch of Night Moves or Caribbean Cruise games?

http://mediaburn.org/video/chicago-slices-raw-pinball-wizard/

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#39 5 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

Very cool. Video!
I think he is referring to those old games as bell ringer and mushroom world???

Yea I was looking at them but I think there too big to fit into those boxes and there kind of walking threw the storage area of the warehouse there. Later you see all those Mushroom world games stacked up further back. They seem to be about the right size and rectangular shape of the cocktails too? Ahh who knows this is purely speculation!

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#44 5 years ago
Quoted from gmkalos:

A 1993 Gottlieb/Premier factory tour with John Norris passes by this small line up of short wide boxes of "old games", could be a bunch of Night Moves or Caribbean Cruise games?
http://mediaburn.org/video/chicago-slices-raw-pinball-wizard/
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In that video it was a conga line of MIB Night Moves & Caribbean Cruise MIB here was another few MIB found in a storage locker auction recently! Note the markings on the side of the box.

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#45 5 years ago

Just wanted tot throw this out there since this has become the "Official" NM club, has anybody noticed that on the display it calls itself "Night Movers" weird huh?

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