This guy thinks that we’ll get a delux option for the riser. 18” instead of 13”.

They were presumably talking about Jon Jamshid in that documentary, but the city backed down and he in fact was NOT forced to get rid of his games. Another guy had a problem with his HOA and moved.

The simple fact is that all of us here have coin op machines, and many of us quite a few of them, without any issues.

Anyone see the leaked images of more cabs?

This is off the toy room YT

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No way that pic is real. I would be AMAZED if they somehow get the rights to Donkey Kong.

Those have to be some sort of mock preproduction lineup. The rampage / joust / defender cab doesn't even have 3 players. The screens also seem larger.

I'm not a fan of the collage style myself, but I can understand the appeal. Personally I'm actually thinking it would be fun to reskin the sides of the Rampage cab with the Joust artwork, since it's just generic striping otherwise.

Yes. I saw on Facebook that they were just mock ups they showed the license holders. Promising nonetheless.

I don’t even know how you guys see that stuff lol. I can only make out the first 4

Yea Nintendo itself finally released the real arcade version on switch.

Ooh. Bed Bath and Beyond will carry these?! That means in 6 months, they'll be in the clearance aisle! Picked up one of those iCades a few years back for like $10 from there.

The button layout on mortal kombat is wrong. I hope that doesn’t stick

MK9 art on the front / bezel , CPO art is way off too

I done think Midway would let their licensed product be distributed this way, Im sure there are few revisions the machines will go through before launching.

Yeah someone above noted they were mock ups.

yeah but they are terrible mock ups :p Raiden side art FTW!

I don't know how well the MK games can be emulated, they always seem to be an issue on PIs and Pandora boxes so it'll either need a new purpose built emulator or better hardware.

Don't hold your breath. From the video I saw of Major Havoc, the emulation was way off. It played fast.

I bought the other cabs blind for my kids, but I'll be hesitant on MK... street fighter 2 is borderline for emulation for me, the timing of the controls and graphics suffers in emulation for fighting games and shmups (shoot em ups; raiden, galaga, donpachi) There is always going to be input lag of at minimum 1 fps at the very best. Throw in a slow processor, video processing, and a slow processing lcd monitor, and you start adding up fractions of fps, by the time you know it, your up to 5 or 10 or more fps input lag and when the heat of battle starts going, you cant win.

Anyone ever try playing an original punch-out or super punch-out, and then play an emulated version? on the original you can learn the patterns after a handful of games, and at least defeat 4 opponents just from a little practice, on the emulated version you would be hard pressed to defeat the 3rd opponent because of the timing of the input lag emulation provides...

the same thing is going on in the BOP 2.0 kit playing the emulated version of BOP 1; the sounds have input lag from the switches, it's still playable, but super annoying when the timing isn't perfect.

All of this Just FYI incase anyone wanted to know what most of the fuss is about.

So, if 1 millisecond is 0.001 seconds, then 10 milliseconds would be 0.01 seconds.

You are telling me that 1/100 of a second is going to totally screw you up? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm actually curious about this.

Voice latency for TV seems to be acceptable well past this number (150 ms), as a reference.

What? .001s and yes even seemingly small fractions of a second can be noticed

Durf! I have no idea where that 5 came from!

Let me go fix that.

The standard for most games, especially fighting games, is 60fps. That makes a frame roughly 16.7 milliseconds. The native input delay on an arcade cab running Street Fighter 2 is a little over 4 frames (this is in part due to the 60hz refresh cycle of the monitor, also the reason 60fps became the standard). So that's normal and fine, people are use to that.

Add another frame of input delay on top of that and some sensitive players may notice somethings not working quite as expected, but that's not too hard to deal with. Once you start going beyond that though it does create issues.

Don't confuse this with reactions times. If you have good visual reaction times you probably need 200 ms to respond to a stimuli. But that's not the same thing as noticing a delay between a button press and an action, or noticing your combo is dropping because the timing is off because of lag. People can't react to a single frame of data, but they can notice it, big difference.

Thank you for that explanation. I knew voice latency was a poor comparison but figured someone would understand my question - even though I couldn't express it well.

Yeah, reaction time vs button/action as 2 different values. Got it now.

Thanks again.

Cool and courteous reply

I ordered the Centipede cab for my wife a couple weeks back. I have a real nice Mame cab with LEDBlinky that even tells you what each button is for on each game but she said it is to complicated to use. She wanted something she could just turn on and play, so this fits the bill. I see them selling a lot the first run. Frys.com had a deluxe for preorder but they sold out before I could get one. Would rather have the deluxe as I really like Tempest and have yet to put a spinner knob on my cab.

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Sorry, fry’s.com had a deluxe version that has all those games? We don’t have frys in Canada I wonder what shipping would be? I think I like that one too.

While that is a factor it isn't what I meant On the Pandora if you hack in MK1 , it runs at like 1/3rd speed (or slower) if you have sound enabled and the sound is super choppy. If you turn off sound you can have it running at about 80% speed. Its the same for all the Wolf and T Unit and Y Unit games the emulation is just slow.

The game selection on that Fry's Deluxe looks great , love me some Crystal Castles, if only it had Arkanoid on there too

Word man, yeah, pandoras box is pretty under powered and uses an old version of mame to run its game selection, have you tried playing MK,2,3 U3 on a current mame setup? its actually not too bad.

I would pay a lot if they made a Dragons Lair 1 2 and Space Ace version.

Oh, that does sound like a great combo. I’d buy that

Those laserdisc games are cool to look at for sure, but the "gameplay" is awful and totally not fun. I run the Daphne emu on my cabinet and will keep it in attract mode since it looks fantastic, but I wouldn't pay for a dedicated system that basically plays cartoon clips.

Hah. Yeah. I'd rather just watch a Youtube video of it. I never understood the "game." I put my money in it once, and waited until I was able to play it. Then the game was over before I even knew what happened.

Oh man, I disagree. I love to play them. I can almost complete Dragon Lair 1. 2 is a different story. I find them really fun and different. I have never been able to get Daphne to run correctly. I just bought a Pi to see if I could get it to run on there. Different strokes I guess.

For sure, it runs great on better hardware. I guess that's what I was getting at, I think these "arcades" are pi or A13 powered , just enough juice to get the games to run. MK is just gonna need more juice , which is going to move the price point up

I'm running Daphne on a PC so that's likely why it runs fine.

Just because I wouldn't pay for one certainly doesn't mean others wouldn't. Heck, the cabinets would like great with full sideart and I'm sure people would buy. But I wonder if those buyers have ever played Dragons Lair since it was released in the arcade? It's an elaborate and expensive memory game designed to eat two quarters at a time (first game in my local arcades to be .50 to play instead of a quarter).

I remember when Dragons Lair hit the local arcade. They had a second monitor on top so the crowd gathered round it could watch easier. I didn't get to play it but just enjoyed watching the scenes as the older kids played. Daphne runs well on my pc based cab. If you havent tried BADLANDS on Daphne you're missing out...the timing can be frustrating but that game is really fun.

Check out this review. A few things pointed out about the quality. Looks like the front of cabinet is that cheap thin fiber board material.

In wondering how easy it would be to have a light up marquee mod? When assembling the cabinet change that board for plexi. Add a light, wire it off the switch. Shouldn’t be to difficult

FYI for anyone interested, the deluxe model at frys.com is now available to order. Just ordered one myself. I was a bit torn on this whole thing, but figured, even if it sucks it’s not the end of the world, so I will roll the dice. Deluxe model comes with the riser, too.

Looks like Best Buy is getting the Deluxe 12 in 1 cabinet as well.

I'm personally torn. I like the way the Centipede only cab looks better than this 12-in-1 cab, but I like the list of games here better.

Nevertheless, from what I've seen on YouTube, Major Havoc plays nothing like the real thing, so I may be alright sticking with the Centipede only cab. Sucks they fumbled the emulation on that one.

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