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2024 - PATZ (pinball at the zoo) April 18th-20th

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    #251 3 months ago

    I will be there around 5 pm on Friday and all day Saturday until the end of the auction selling odds and ends at the communal junk booth with Mike, Robot, Craig, Dave, Levi, Kevin and Dino.
    Between all of us we should have a good load of crap to sift through.
    Terry.

    #252 3 months ago

    DAY 1 IS DONE! Lots to play on opening day!

    Look at that amazing tournament area!

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    #253 3 months ago

    Want more pins? You got em!

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    #254 3 months ago

    You need more? PATZ HAS IT!

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    #255 3 months ago

    Oh yeah, these too...

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    #256 3 months ago

    OK, last batch!

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    #257 3 months ago

    elvira game blades sold

    #258 3 months ago

    If anyone needs a nice system 9 mpu, the one in my space shuttle is for sale. NVRAM, MOSFET light matrix upgrade, includes matching untested speech board with comet roms, no alkaline damage. $400

    #259 3 months ago
    Quoted from pinballlife:

    I will be there around 5 pm on Friday and all day Saturday until the end of the auction selling odds and ends at the communal junk booth with Mike, Robot, Craig, Dave, Levi, Kevin and Dino.
    Between all of us we should have a good load of crap to sift through.
    Terry.

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    #260 3 months ago

    Tournament area

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    #261 3 months ago

    Come get your pulp fiction play in!

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    #262 3 months ago

    On the lookout for a Stern Pirates if one happens to be making it's way there! Have a fun weekend!!

    #263 3 months ago

    Are there any details (or photos) of potential auction items yet? I didn't see any gathering of items yesterday but suspect that some things will start showing up today.

    #264 3 months ago
    Quoted from Mitoska:

    Come get your pulp fiction play in!
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    The King is in the building! Maybe he can change his id to King BWCG....

    #265 3 months ago

    I miss going to PatZ. Too far for me. But I'll be at the VFW show in two weeks!

    #266 3 months ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    I miss going to PatZ. Too far for me. But I'll be at the VFW show in two weeks!

    Bruuuuuccceee

    Fixin the games...

    My Man

    #268 3 months ago
    Quoted from Hammerhead:

    Miscellaneous parts I can bring if sold in advance:
    31-1380 High Speed spinner decals $5
    A-22623 Qbert's Quest drop target decals $2
    flasher domes $2 each
    flipper buttons $2 each
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    Quoted from Hammerhead:

    Miscellaneous parts I can bring if sold in advance:
    Super Pac Man marquee $10
    Mr. & Mrs. Pac Man lower backglass $20
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    Quoted from Hammerhead:

    Miscellaneous parts I can bring if sold in advance:
    partial Getaway HS2 plastic set $25
    Qbert's Quest plastic set $50
    partial WCS plastic set $50
    partial Jackbot plastic set $80
    A-20077 Jackbot ramp $40
    Jackbot flip ramp $10
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    Quoted from Hammerhead:

    Miscellaneous parts I can bring if sold in advance:
    (2) black 31.5" legs $25
    (4) chrome 28.5" legs $50
    3/4" green t-molding x 32'-0" $30[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

    Quoted from Hammerhead:

    Miscellaneous parts I can bring if sold in advance:
    31-1008-50031 WCS apron $25
    A-18385 WCS ramp entrance gates $40 each
    36-50031-1 WCS mini playfield $40
    A-18750 WCS goal plastic with socket $10
    A-18775 WCS Striker plastic with socket $10
    WCS goalie mech $50
    NEW WCS replacement rubber $20
    A-17568 WCS soccer ball base $15
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    #269 3 months ago
    Quoted from tfduda:

    Are there any details (or photos) of potential auction items yet? I didn't see any gathering of items yesterday but suspect that some things will start showing up today.

    Not much to report

    #270 89 days ago
    Quoted from ltd73:

    Not much to report

    Jumping jackpot, some redemption games, 2 Chicago coins? Sometimes things pop in Saturday

    #271 89 days ago

    From my perspective, PATZ was a disappointment this year to those who are not tournament players. If it wasn't for Trent and Tilt Amusements this show would have been a complete disaster. The auction was horrible this year too, not enough equipment for sale. 100% not John D's fault. Not sure as to what the heck was the issue this year, but next year is the 25th anniversary of the show and it must do better. Next year, please start a whole new thread and get people involved. The promotion of this year's PATZ just seemed non existent and no hype at all.

    #272 89 days ago

    There was a really cool em roulette game. They said it was priced at $30,000. But a very interesting item, I'd never seen anything like it.

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    #273 89 days ago
    Quoted from Mitoska:

    There was a really cool em roulette game. They said it was priced at $30,000. But a very interesting item, I'd never seen anything like it.
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    Very interesting piece. Likely made by Bally judging by what I saw on the stickers and hardware inside the cabinet.

    #274 89 days ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    From my perspective, PATZ was a disappointment this year to those who are not tournament players.

    People need to put in the effort to bring games. Working games. There's no show without games.

    PS Respect to TILT for bringing half the show.

    #275 89 days ago

    1960 Acme Rollette machine in action:

    #276 88 days ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    1960 Acme Rollette machine in action:

    I've seen one in person and it is a really interesting game.

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    #277 88 days ago

    You really need to post this event on social media like Facebook.

    #278 88 days ago
    Quoted from galaxian:

    You really need to post this event on social media like Facebook.

    It's been on Facebook

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    #279 88 days ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    From my perspective, PATZ was a disappointment this year to those who are not tournament players. If it wasn't for Trent and Tilt Amusements this show would have been a complete disaster. The auction was horrible this year too, not enough equipment for sale. 100% not John D's fault. Not sure as to what the heck was the issue this year, but next year is the 25th anniversary of the show and it must do better. Next year, please start a whole new thread and get people involved. The promotion of this year's PATZ just seemed non existent and no hype at all.

    The machine I brought for the auction sold before the auction, I would say approximately 10-15pins that where brought didn't make it to the end of the show. The auction is usually a last ditch I don't want to take this home situation..

    #280 88 days ago
    Quoted from polyacanthus:

    People need to put in the effort to bring games. Working games. There's no show without games.
    PS Respect to TILT for bringing half the show.

    That's just it, I saw no effort in asking attendees to bring games. The promotion of the event was quite lazy this year. This was one of the few years I couldn't bring anything as I only had Saturday to attend. Last year I had a booth, two games and my wife and I had a great time.

    No one reached out, hey are you going to need a booth again? Are you going to bring anything? There was nothing. If I had to guess, attendance was down too.

    #281 88 days ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    That's just it, I saw no effort in asking attendees to bring games. The promotion of the event was quite lazy this year. This was one of the few years I couldn't bring anything as I only had Saturday to attend. Last year I had a booth, two games and my wife and I had a great time.
    No one reached out, hey are you going to need a booth again? Are you going to bring anything? There was nothing. If I had to guess, attendance was down too.

    This is nothing new. My feeling is it was never promoted enough, not even 25 years ago.

    John

    #282 88 days ago

    I agree with both previous posts about show issues and I ask the organizer of this show to start a discussion on Pinside about how to improve this show starting with show promotion of asking local collectors to bring some of their good examples of pinball to the show to change in tournament format to a more flat rate based cost and bring fun back to the average pinball player that just wants to participate to have FUN not just a competition.

    Maybe have 2 tournament types for different people to participate in? Provide a better area for people to sit down and have discussion about pinball like maybe have a reputable person put on a repair discussion. Provide people with knowledge that can help both new people and those been in pinball for awhile into getting information and tips on maintenance of their pins and have someone provide good suggestions on building their collection.

    All I can say is this is my Last year at this show unless something is done to change the format for future years!

    #283 88 days ago

    This was my first trip back to the show in probably 10-12 years. As stated earlier there were a lot of games dedicated to the tournament. My very quick count put it at 25-30 games. What was the official number btw? Tilt Amusement made the show in my opinion. I’m not going to complain as I have zero idea of what it takes to put on a show. I can say that a lot of people that visited the show probably could have participated more and supplied a game. Myself included. If this show is to really shine we all have to contribute more. It can’t be all on one or two people. It’s a pain to lug a game for sure, but it looks like easy in and out at least.
    I appreciate all the people that had a hand in putting this show on. Hopefully more local pinheads buy in and support in the future. I know I plan to do just that as long as I’m able.
    See you next year

    #284 88 days ago
    Quoted from Dayhuff:

    This is nothing new. My feeling is it was never promoted enough, not even 25 years ago.
    John

    I am happy you jumped in on this, because myself and many others feel that YOU could be the voice to reach out and save this show.

    #285 88 days ago

    The problem with people bringing games (that they are not planing to sell) is that most people's games are restored and too valuable/fragile to move.

    Whereas you used to 'load up the trailer' with 8 games all strapped together, now you might tear a decal or scratch the re-silkscreened text on the backbox.

    Games are too prissy now, not the coin-op rough and tumble devices they once were.

    "I'd like to take my Firepower, but moving it might tear off all the LEDs under the cab, and the space-dolls on the topper are only attached with double sided tape" -Pinsider

    #286 88 days ago

    If you were a tournament player, this was catered to you. Otherwise the actual "show" was a mere sideshow. If there was no Tilt Amusement, it would have majorly sucked. Honestly, if I was closer and not in Illinois I would offer to get involved with promoting this show. There are just so many of the basics that are being missed and/or ignored that could bring this show to another level. Kevin, sorry, you need to step it up or get a partner to promote to bring in the machines and vendors.

    #287 88 days ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    If you were a tournament player, this was catered to you. Otherwise the actual "show" was a mere sideshow. If there was no Tilt Amusement, it would have majorly sucked. Honestly, if I was closer and not in Illinois I would offer to get involved with promoting this show. There are just so many of the basics that are being missed and/or ignored that could bring this show to another level. Kevin, sorry, you need to step it up or get a partner to promote to bring in the machines and vendors.

    From my understanding...., Kevin does not "run" the show any more and hasn't for at least five years now. Alex (I don't know his last name) is the behind the scenes "owner" of the show. I was told that the show was "given" to Alex. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here. Personally I have only met Alex one time that first year he took over as "owner", shook his hand and he went back to the tournament. I wouldn't know him if I seen him again. I will give out a huge thank you to Frank that manages the over head door. Great guy, very approachable and always asks if he need anything for the booth/auction...They should give him a raise. Thank you Frank!!

    John

    #288 88 days ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    I am happy you jumped in on this, because myself and many others feel that YOU could be the voice to reach out and save this show.

    I'm humbled that you and others feel that way, seriously! In the early years of the show I tried my hardest to push it in the right direction year after year and do what I could. And there was some really good years for sure. We had seminars, awards for best games ( I'm not sure if this still goes on or not as it's never talked about) repair booths...etc. We talked about having a committee of people that would all work on separate things for the show. One person does advertising, another does seminar stuff, another would get vendors, another would get games to the show....but it never went beyond that one time discussion. When Super Auctions came in ( I think that's who it was) that was great, it really helped promote the show. After about 5-6 years Super Auctions went away and I said we need to keep the auction going as it's a big draw for the show...somehow. Kevin stepped in and did it a couple of years but it just didn't work out but I give him credit for trying (it's not easy) and that's when I volunteered to take it over. I had some idea's on how to make it better then the last couple of previous years because I didn't want to have to have a process of registering people to bid and taking there money and handing over money to the seller...blah, blah...and I certainly didn't want to charge anyone anything for doing it and it was talked about but I said no or I'm not doing it. So not only was I now doing this HUGE booth of parts and games for sale but also organizing an auction and on top of that BEING the auctioneer, which I had never done before in my life but I do attend A LOT of auctions each year. I love doing it, it's fun for me and even made me think many times about quitting my real job and doing it full time..., but that's never going to happen. I also play auctioneer two other times a year so the Zoo show has helped me stay in practice... .
    Anyways, I'm rambling on. I guess what I'm saying is that things have pretty much stayed on a even keel with the quality of the show over all these years. I'm not sure what the answer is at this point so lets hear some more feedback from you guys or better yet step forward to Kevin and Alex and tell them you want to help make a difference. I've tried in many different ways and times but it just seems to go by the way side. I do what I can.

    John

    #289 88 days ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    The problem with people bringing games (that they are not planing to sell) is that most people's games are restored and too valuable/fragile to move.
    Whereas you used to 'load up the trailer' with 8 games all strapped together, now you might tear a decal or scratch the re-silkscreened text on the backbox.
    Games are too prissy now, not the coin-op rough and tumble devices they once were.
    "I'd like to take my Firepower, but moving it might tear off all the LEDs under the cab, and the space-dolls on the topper are only attached with double sided tape" -Pinsider

    I agree with VID on issues with tear and scratch issues and I can tell you I have had some bumps on my new pins that I brought this year. I would not bring the same pin in multiple years and suffering 1 time bump and scratch to me is acceptable so I can provide the experience to the public to draw enthiusism into pinball and to share with other pinball fans. The issue at this show is more people sharing in the experience so everyone can benefit as a group understanding that we need to look out for each others equipment to reduce any damage on them.

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    #290 88 days ago

    Thank you for all those that were happy with what we did with the show. This show is different than many others, thats for sure, but that is one of the things that makes this a great show in my opinion. The laid back attitude are awesome, and as a vendor, it makes it much more enjoyable for me to attend and show.

    #291 88 days ago
    Quoted from Tilt:

    Thank you for all those that were happy with what we did with the show. This show is different than many others, thats for sure, but that is one of the things that makes this a great show in my opinion. The laid back attitude are awesome, and as a vendor, it makes it much more enjoyable for me to attend and show.

    I wanted to thank you for bringing all the games you brought. Me and my family greatly enjoyed them. also you and your staff are always super friendly and helpful.

    #292 88 days ago

    Tilt and John,

    Thank you so much for always going above and beyond. It's really nice to have such dedicated people helping out with these events. Your passion and commitment really take this hobby to the next level. Without your efforts, it wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable.

    Cheers!

    #293 88 days ago

    Kalamazoo suffers from the same issue a lot of show have... at this point, as others have said, games are super hard to find and valuable. bring a game to the show only risks damage (it's not like a game will come back in *better* condition!) and since games are hard to find, there just isn't a volume of games to sell either, so that limits that aspect too. add the "interweb" to it, where it's more profitable to sell to the web than a group of goofy collectors at a show, and the problem is worse.

    there really is no good fix for these problems. look at Chicago Expo... if the promoter (Berk) didn't bring 100 games, there would be nearly nothing to play (well except for new games brought by Stern and others selling new games.) someone did a count and figures 20 games at most were brought outside of Berk's games.

    The speculation that Kevin gave to the show to Alex is correct. i talked to Kevin about this... he admits, he's no longer in charge. he just works the door. i asked him if he was #2 in charge, and frankly, he shied away from taking that position.

    I will add to the "game moving issue" with my experience... probably 15 years ago i filled a trailer with a dozen Gottlieb EM pinballs, all restored, and brought them to the Kzoo show. and when i got them back, half of them had peeling backglasses! the rough ride in a trailer literally shook the ink off the backglasses. i had to replace those glasses at great cost. it sucked. since then i've been gun shy to do anything like that again.

    I remember doing repair seminars at Kalamazoo in the past. but that seems to have evaporated.

    To be honest, the show has really become basically a tournament. with it being a Stern Pro Circuit event, it has a lot of WPPR points. that's why there's so many games in the tourney. And frankly if it wasn't a Stern Pro Circuit event, Trent (who is a Stern dealer) and who loves to compete in tourneys, may not bring all those games to the show. Also Alex (the show's owner) is a tourney player too. That's why so much emphasis is put on the tourney. Personally i don't like the "Herb" style tourney, because it rewards people that just sink endless money to beat a score. but hey that's how it works...

    Back to the game issue... i heard someone was trying to bring the Michigan Pinball Expo back to the east side of the state, but could not get enough people to bring games. So that idea sunk.

    That's why the Ann Arbor pinball show works... we don't ask people to bring games, as there's 525+ games on site. So we don't run into these game hauling problems. We are also sensitive to the tourney issues. This year we are running "blind herb" tournaments; pay one price, play as much (or as little) as you want... but you don't actually know what the top score to beat is at... you just submit the score that you feel is your "winner" for that tourney game. it provides a more relaxed setting that can run concurrently with the show, and on the games in the show (there's no segregated tourney area.) our hope is this keeps everyone calm and not frantic to beat a known high score, and allows tourney players to actually enjoy the show!

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    #294 88 days ago
    Quoted from cfh:

    Kalamazoo suffers from the same issue a lot of show have... at this point, as others have said, games are super hard to find and valuable. bring a game to the show only risks damage (it's not like a game will come back in *better* condition!) and since games are hard to find, there just isn't a volume of games to sell either, so that limits that aspect too. add the "interweb" to it, where it's more profitable to sell to the web than a group of goofy collectors at a show, and the problem is worse.
    there really is no good fix for these problems. look at Chicago Expo... if the promoter (Berk) didn't bring 100 games, there would be nearly nothing to play (well except for new games brought by Stern and others selling new games.) someone did a count and figures 20 games at most were brought outside of Berk's games.
    The speculation that Kevin gave to the show to Alex is correct. i talked to Kevin about this... he admits, he's no longer in charge. he just works the door. i asked him if he was #2 in charge, and frankly, he shied away from taking that position.
    I will add to the "game moving issue" with my experience... probably 15 years ago i filled a trailer with a dozen Gottlieb EM pinballs, all restored, and brought them to the Kzoo show. and when i got them back, half of them had peeling backglasses! the rough ride in a trailer literally shook the ink off the backglasses. i had to replace those glasses at a great cost. it sucked. since then i've been gun shy to do anything like that again.
    I remember doing repair seminars at Kalamazoo in the past. but that seems to have evaporated.
    To be honest, the show has really become basically a tournament. with it being a Stern Pro Circuit event, it has a lot of WPPR points. that's why there's so many games in the tourney. And frankly if it wasn't a Stern Pro Circuit event, Trent (who is a Stern dealer) and who loves to compete in tourneys, probably would not bring all those games to the show. Also Alex (the show's owner) is a tourney player too. That's why so much emphasis is put on the tourney. Personally i don't like the "Herb" style tourney, because it rewards people that just sink endless money to beat a score. but hey that's how it works...
    Back to the game issue... i heard someone was trying to bring the Michigan Pinball Expo back to the east side of the state, but could not get enough people to bring games. So that idea sunk.
    That's why the Ann Arbor pinball show works... we don't ask people to bring games, as there 525+ games on site. So we don't run into these game hauling problems. We are also sensitive to the tourney issues. This year was are running "blind herb" tournaments; pay one price, play as much (or as little) as you want... but you don't actually know what the top score to beat is at... you just submit the score that you feel is a "winner" a tourney game. it provides a more relaxed setting that can run concurrently with the show, and on the games in the show (there's no segregated tourney area.) our hope is this keeps everyone calm and not frantic to beat a known high score, and allows tourney player to actually enjoy the show!

    Just for a little clarity, The Tilt booth is something that I (Troy) do. Its one of the things that ive added to Tilt since coming on board years ago, Trent never did booths and never intended to. Doing booths was something i brought on and do entierly on my own as i like people to have opportunities to play all the latest games from Stern. And on this note, i am actually opposite of Trent because i do not play in tournaments and id rather see more games for the general public to play and enjoy.

    #295 88 days ago

    troy that's a good thing. just try and keep them games out of the tourney so the rest of us mortals can play them! ha!

    #296 88 days ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    The problem with people bringing games

    Excuses. Show up with a game. End of story.

    There are restored games there every year. Tilt brought like 25 brand new games.

    #297 88 days ago

    I thought

    Quoted from polyacanthus:

    Excuses. Show up with a game. End of story.
    There are restored games there every year. Tilt brought like 25 brand new games.

    Jersey Jack Pinball brought new in box games, 1 Guns and Rose's and 2 Elton John machines. One of the Elton John games was a Collectors Edition with the laser light show topper.

    It was a great show and everyone I came with had a great time, we can't wait to come back next year. The laid back atmosphere is nice and it was great talking pinball for three days.

    Thank you everyone that made this show possible.

    #298 88 days ago

    Hello everyone!

    This is Alex, the guy who has been running most of the show for the last few years. I've read and digested all the comments in this thread and for the most part I totally get it. I want to use this post to explain a few things. First off, attendance was not down. We actually were up from last year in regard to non-game bringing attendees. Games were down slightly but it was very close to last year. To be honest, everything changed after Covid. Many vendors started backing out and lots of game bringers faded away. 2019 was the best year for PATZ. I think the theories in here regarding games being so much more valuable now is the main culprit. I also had more vendors lined up that just didn't show as well as a couple that normally would be there but had other obligations this year.

    I definitely could have done a better job promoting this year and that is on me. I had some things come up with my day job that took precedence this year. I promise this will be rectified for next year. We have to really blow it out for the 25th year. It means a lot that Kevin would trust me with running the show and I value its history greatly. This show will not die.

    In regard to the tournament games. Again, I get it. I got my start in pinball on the tournament side and my family, and I built that tournament into what it is now. I am not just a tournament player though. I own many games, route games and own an arcade in Fremont. At my core, I am a pinball hobbyist. I barely play tournaments anymore and didn't even really try playing the tournaments at all this year. I will make sure I am more a part of the show moving forward. When it is a Stern Pro Circuit event, it takes up a TON of my attention. I tried getting in the show more, but I was constantly called over for a ruling or a repair.

    If anyone has any ideas, I'm all ears. Getting more games is always my top concern with the show. A lot of this rides on the community. I only have the ability to bring 13 games with me. I would LOVE for the 25th year to be our best year yet.

    At the end of the day, I LOVE the vibe of PATZ. It is a delicate balance in regard to making changes and keeping the vibe similar. Every decision I make is in tandem with our goal of keeping the vibe the same. I sincerely thank everyone who supported us this year. It means the world to me that people love being a part of this show. I already have lots of ideas that hopefully will be implemented for next year. Let's break some records for our show next year!

    If you have any ideas or need to contact me in any way, feel free to message me on here or email me at [email protected]

    #299 87 days ago
    Quoted from ltd73:

    Jersey Jack Pinball brought new in box games, 1 Guns and Rose's and 2 Elton John machines. One of the Elton John games was a Collectors Edition with the laser light show topper.

    I thought the guy that brought the Collectors Edition Elton John was a regular pinball enthusiast/collector like the rest of us named Scott, if I'm not mistaken. I also saw that he won an award for "Best Of Show" for bringing that. Kudos to Scott!

    #300 87 days ago
    Quoted from Rum-Z:

    I thought the guy that brought the Collectors Edition Elton John was a regular pinball enthusiast/collector like the rest of us named Scott, if I'm not mistaken. I also saw that he won an award for "Best Of Show" for bringing that. Kudos to Scott!

    Scott bought the game at the show.

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