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2020 Best Bang for Buck DMD


By Jmckune

43 days ago



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    #1 43 days ago

    So I have several alphanumeric pins in my lineup and quite enjoy their style of play. I currently have 1 DMD but to me it’s a pretty horrid game. The next pin I add, I’d like it to be a DMD game unless of course when the time comes to buy a WW or FH come up for sale for a steal price. I’m wondering some suggestions for fun to play DMD for a fair price. I have a few good ones on my wishlist but with the cheapest one being WH20 that price is a little high for me to swallow. I enjoy games that are fun to play, easy to understand. I don’t really need something that’s deep to the point of going on some crazy journey. In fact a lot of the new sterns I’ve played have not really been that enjoyable to me with long ball times and several modes to complete. Any good prices on easy to approach good old fashion fun DMD games that I could check out? Thanks!

    #2 43 days ago

    Demolition man

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    Jurassic Park, nba fastbreak, T2, T3, World Cup soccer, Baywatch are all good value

    #3 43 days ago

    BSD, easy rules but hard to execute

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    #4 43 days ago

    Fish Tales remains one of my favorites. And with patience can still be found at a reasonable price imo.

    #5 43 days ago
    Quoted from Completist:

    Fish Tales remains one of my favorites. And with patience can still be found at a reasonable price imo.

    I quite enjoy Fish Tales, had kind of thrown it off the table though as I already own a Taxi and they have a very similar layout.

    #6 43 days ago
    Quoted from Jaybird815:

    BSD, easy rules but hard to execute

    I need to play this game. I’ve seen it mentioned several times as a good, reasonably priced game. Theme is a little eh for me, but I’m sure if it’s a good game I could get past that.

    #7 43 days ago

    Demolition Man.
    Tough to shop, but awesome keeper.

    #8 43 days ago

    BSD Bang for buck? Jesus is it that bad out there now?

    Hmm...jackboy (sic), Fish Tales.

    #9 43 days ago

    Johnny Mnemonic is great bang for the buck....can be had pretty easily for $2500-2600. If that thing wasn't based on a total turd movie and didn't have a backglass that makes me want to claw my eyes out, it'd be top 40, because the game play is really good.

    #10 43 days ago

    I’ve seen a few Fish Tales recommendations, would it be a problem to have 2 games with such a similar layout in the same (small) collection? I love Taxi and it’s callouts and I’m not sure I’d want to give it up to bring FT in.

    #11 43 days ago

    I wouldn't say that Fish Tales plays anything like Taxi.... They just both happen to have crossing wireforms. That said, based on your collection, I'd be looking for a machine with a little longer ball times. Fish Tales has awesome theme integration, but I find the ball times to be really short and frustrating if you aren't on your game. BSD would fall into this exact same category.

    I already mentioned JM, but for other machine options with longer ball times and still plenty to do, check out Doctor Who or World Cup Soccer.

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    #12 43 days ago

    World poker tour

    #13 42 days ago

    Always found Dr Who under rated and a great game in its current price point.

    #14 42 days ago

    The Shadow is the best bang for the buck. One of the best games ever made in my opinion.

    #15 42 days ago

    If you have 4k to spend, the shadow and BSD are solid choices. If you need to be at 2500 or under, it gets tougher...but you can find JM, DM, baywatch, stargate, fish tales, nba fastbreak, Jurassic park, the getaway, last action hero, revenge from mars, world cup soccer, or terminator 2.

    Some of those are easily under 2.5k and some you will really have to be patient on for a good price.

    Budget is everything

    #16 42 days ago

    I 500

    fast play, lots of timed modes, great sound and call outs. Very difficult to master.

    #17 42 days ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    BSD Bang for buck? Jesus is it that bad out there now?
    Hmm...jackboy (sic), Fish Tales.

    Yes

    #18 42 days ago

    I don't think anyone has mentioned Jackbot, Road Show, or Lethal Weapon 3 yet - There is some value there!!

    #19 42 days ago

    I agree that fish tales plays nothing like taxi. A couple others I would mention road show, world poker tour, no fear, and Frankenstein.

    #20 42 days ago

    Capcom Breakshot

    #21 42 days ago

    We are stretching the budget but Stern Star Trek and Star Trek TNG are both fantastic games and the cheapest way to get into the top 20. Either are a steal and the basic models go for $4200 to $4500. Stern's model is super fast and extremely reliable. STTNG has a great sound package, is great to shoot, but can be tricky to maintain. If you are comfortable "lifting the hood" you should be fine.

    Other recommended cheaper DMDs are World Cup Soccer, Terminator, Baywatch, and Thunderbirds (JK).

    Good luck!

    #22 42 days ago
    Quoted from Mad_Dog_Coin_Op:

    The Shadow is the best bang for the buck. One of the best games ever made in my opinion.

    With the way prices are, Shadow is trying to break that $4K soon. Once that happens.......another "days gone by" scenario

    #23 42 days ago

    +1 on Fish Tales. Very simple game but challenging enough to keep it interesting. Nothing like Taxi imo. Decent examples can be still found for less than $3000 so best bang for classic dmd imo. Shadow close second. Diverters, cool ball lock feature, upper pf, several mb's, upper flipper, and wizard mode. Gameplay is very challenging, though.

    Hard to beat a great classic but for a good bang, consider Stern games. Yes, some are a bit complex/deep with rules but still fun with lots to explore. MET is one of the best pins period and pro sometimes can be found cheap (low 4's). Rules not too complex for the most part and I still love mine. I would even argue JP pro best bang for buck for around $5000 used. Fantastic game. Same for Iron Maiden if you can tolerate the theme. Both those games have rules that are fairly easy to pick up on and just play great. Lots of these games out there so easier to find than a lot of older games.

    #24 42 days ago
    Quoted from Coz:

    Demolition man
    https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/91172
    Jurassic Park, nba fastbreak, T2, T3, World Cup soccer, Baywatch are all good value

    I'm with this guy, except T3. Kind of a boring fan layout to me and a VERY repetitive call out "shoot here and here"
    T2 is simple but fun and I love my Getaway.

    #26 42 days ago

    Maverick. Just got one for 1900 and it is fantastic.

    JM, shadow, WCS, etc.. used to be but they are all heading in that $4k position. Every now and then you can catch a player for cheaper. There is a getaway and fish tales near me for 2800 which is pretty good.

    #27 42 days ago

    The best choices are Getaway, Jackbot, World Cup Soccer 94, Doctor Who, Demolition Man, and Fish Tales. I own/have owned them all and Fish tales is my favorite. I do think it is rising fast in price and will stop being a value pin soon.

    #28 42 days ago

    I'm also going to recommend Fish Tales . I've had mine for 20 years and still love it as much as the first day I got it . It's not about modes ( even though it has some cool ones) it's all about getting a high score and if you ever hear " jackpot " on fish tails you know you've earned it . Too many games today call out " jackpot " when you've done stuff all . It has the funnest video mode I've seen and one of the best toppers of all time . It also has some of the best dmd animations . Lots of people look down on fish tales but it is one of the most underrated games in my opinion , so that means you can get it at great price .

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    #29 42 days ago

    judge dredd (I want one) and getaway. Demo man is probably up there too but I just can't get into it as much as I'd like

    #30 42 days ago
    Quoted from gamera9:

    The best choices are Getaway, Jackbot, World Cup Soccer 94, Doctor Who, Demolition Man, and Fish Tales. I own/have owned them all and Fish tales is my favorite. I do think it is rising fast in price and will stop being a value pin soon.

    I would also recommend getaway

    #31 42 days ago

    Fish tales is legit, Dredd, demo man, t2.. they’re probably all obtainable sub 3k. At least in player condition.

    #32 42 days ago
    Quoted from gamera9:

    The best choices are Getaway, Jackbot, World Cup Soccer 94, Doctor Who, Demolition Man, and Fish Tales. I own/have owned them all and Fish tales is my favorite. I do think it is rising fast in price and will stop being a value pin soon.

    This right here. All of these are under 3k recently, and all have a market so you can easily trade/sell when you are done.

    #33 42 days ago

    I feel like folks always think of 90s DMD games. What about used Stern DMDs? From a value standpoint, I think used TSPP, Star Trek Pro, Metallica Pros and Walking Dead Pros are a lot of game for the money.

    #34 42 days ago

    All of the above titles listed are good ones. Dirty Harry as well.

    #35 42 days ago

    Here was my geeky attempt at an answer:

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/statistical-bang-for-your-buck#post-5331401

    Below is a summary of that data from best to worst value within that range. It's difficult to compare between price ranges, and what this data is showing is essentially for the "X" dollars, you should expect a game with a ranking of "Y". The further above that curve a game is the better "value" relative to other games around that same price. The statistical DMD the highest above that curve was Metallica (Pro), but again you can't really compare between price ranges, so it really comes down to how much you want to spend.

    under $2000 - Maverick, Lethal Weapon 3
    $2,000 to $3,000 - Getaway, Judge Dredd, World Cup Soccer, Terminator 2, Black Knight 2000, Jurassic Park, Demolition Man
    $3,000 to $4,000 - Shadow, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Fish Tales, Tales from the Crypt, Road Show, Indianapolis 500, Dirty Harry
    $4,000 to $5,000 - Metallica (Pro), Star Trek: The Next Generation, Spider-Man, Star Trek (Pro), Iron Man, Congo
    $5,000 to $6,000 - Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, Simpsons, White Water, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Attack From Mars

    My personal answer would be to look for a High Speed II: The Getaway, Fish Tales, or World Cup Soccer.

    #36 42 days ago

    Baywatch is an awesome pin for the price! But, you have to be able to tolerate the theme. I love the fact that there are color options to replace the large expensive DMD if necessary.

    #37 42 days ago

    Demolition Man.

    A ton of value at $2500 ish.

    Lots of shots and ramps, easy to play, lots of things to shoot for. Fun call outs and modes.

    #38 42 days ago
    Quoted from lpeters82:

    Here was my geeky attempt at an answer:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/statistical-bang-for-your-buck#post-5331401
    Below is a summary of that data from best to worst value within that range. It's difficult to compare between price ranges, so what this data is showing is essentially for the "X" dollars, you should expect a game with a ranking of "Y". The further above that curve a game is the better "value". The statistical DMD the highest above that curve was Metallica (Pro), but again you can't really compare between price ranges, so it really comes down to how much you want to spend.
    under $2000 - Maverick, Lethal Weapon 3
    $2,000 to $3,000 - Getaway, Judge Dredd, World Cup Soccer, Terminator 2, Black Knight 2000, Jurassic Park, Demolition Man
    $3,000 to $4,000 - Shadow, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Fish Tales, Tales from the Crypt, Road Show, Indianapolis 500, Dirty Harry
    $4,000 to $5,000 - Metallica (Pro), Star Trek: The Next Generation, Spider-Man, White Water, Star Trek (Pro), Iron Man, Congo
    $5,000 to $6,000 - Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, Simpsons, White Water, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Attack From Mars
    My personal answer would be to look for a High Speed II: The Getaway, Fish Tales, or World Cup Soccer.

    Let's just sticky this b/c it's perfect.

    My personal picks....grab a WCS now b/c that thing will continue to rise. It's super family friendly and deeper than it looks. TFTC is another and if you can stomach the theme, music, etc Road Show and STTNG.

    #39 42 days ago
    Quoted from Mizzou0103:

    I feel like folks always think of 90s DMD games. What about used Stern DMDs? From a value standpoint, I think used TSPP, Star Trek Pro, Metallica Pros and Walking Dead Pros are a lot of game for the money.

    Yeah...now that the "bang for the buck" B/W games have risen to the $3k range, it's hard to recommend them when you can get into some really good modern Sterns for ~$4k, especially if willing to buy routed machines. It seems like just yesterday it was an easy answer with JD, DM, JM, JP all being $1k games. That's probably still my list for best value DMDs, but now they are triple the cost. Get off my lawn...

    #40 42 days ago

    Lots of great games, but I think Maverick is the best bang playwise for the lowest buck out of those listed. I also think LAH is a great game. It's got some stiff competition in the under $3000 category but it should be included in lpeters82's list. It would be my choice over DE JP or TFTC and is usually less than both of those. Demo Man and Fish Tales are also great choices.

    #41 42 days ago

    I'll second Capcom Breakshot.

    Also, I recently overhauled a Rocky & Bullwinkle for someone, and thought it was surprisingly good fun.

    I've seen both go for around $2000.

    #42 42 days ago

    Staying under $3000, having a DMD, and using bang for the buck as a qualifier (which to me means won't get old quick/repetitive, lots to do, and won't get annoying -call outs, music, etc.) Judge Dredd, World Cup Soccer, Demolition Man, Baywatch, Johnny Mnemonic, Last Action Hero, NBA Fastbreak, WPT all make the cut.

    Honorable Mentions: T2, T3, Black Rose, WWF RR, Batman Forever, HS2, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Breakshot, NF, SST, PZ, NASCAR, Maverick, LW3, SW1, RCT, Hurricane.

    Anything else, probably doesn't meet the criteria or good luck getting for sub $3k.

    #43 42 days ago
    Quoted from delt31:

    Let's just sticky this b/c it's perfect.

    Far from perfect, but I couldn't think of a more scientific process.

    Quoted from classicgamefan:

    I also think LAH is a great game. It's got some stiff competition in the under $3000 category but it should be included in lpeters82's list. It would be my choice over DE JP or TFTC and is usually less than both of those.

    Last Action Hero comes out to a .074, which means it's slightly above the trend line. What I believe tends to happen with some of the budget DMDs is they are driven down because the formula would tell you that buying a cheaper game with a digital display would be the better value. I personally hate that Hardbody is rated a -1.082. I think it's one of the best bangs for you bucks, but I, apparently, just like the game a lot more then it's current Pinside average.

    #44 42 days ago
    Quoted from lpeters82:

    Here was my geeky attempt at an answer:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/statistical-bang-for-your-buck#post-5331401
    Below is a summary of that data from best to worst value within that range. It's difficult to compare between price ranges, and what this data is showing is essentially for the "X" dollars, you should expect a game with a ranking of "Y". The further above that curve a game is the better "value" relative to other games around that same price. The statistical DMD the highest above that curve was Metallica (Pro), but again you can't really compare between price ranges, so it really comes down to how much you want to spend.
    under $2000 - Maverick, Lethal Weapon 3
    $2,000 to $3,000 - Getaway, Judge Dredd, World Cup Soccer, Terminator 2, Black Knight 2000, Jurassic Park, Demolition Man
    $3,000 to $4,000 - Shadow, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Fish Tales, Tales from the Crypt, Road Show, Indianapolis 500, Dirty Harry
    $4,000 to $5,000 - Metallica (Pro), Star Trek: The Next Generation, Spider-Man, White Water, Star Trek (Pro), Iron Man, Congo
    $5,000 to $6,000 - Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, Simpsons, White Water, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Attack From Mars
    My personal answer would be to look for a High Speed II: The Getaway, Fish Tales, or World Cup Soccer.

    This was the most accurate post of pinball prices compared to other posts and the prices stated are likely average or players condition games. Obviously paying more for better condition. I always see people who say a machine can be had for some low ball price there is an occasional steal out there and if you are first to a sale you can maybe get one. Of course if I buy a lotto and I get all the lucky numbers I could win millions too. I know people sometimes get deals and I always wonder how they find them but I think that is rare or they are old routed games.

    But, there are some great middle value games in the $2500-4,000 price area that offer tons of fun and are long lasting in a collection.

    Personally I think a very fun steal of a game is Getaway - add a Pinsound to it and it is great. I really thought that game would pass through my collection but for now I just love it. Those come up often in the $2500 range not where I live but on Pinside it seems like.

    #45 42 days ago
    Quoted from wamonkey:

    Personally I think a very fun steal of a game is Getaway - add a Pinsound to it and it is great. I really thought that game would pass through my collection but for now I just love it. Those come up often in the $2500 range not where I live but on Pinside it seems like.

    Sshhh...I should have remove that one. It very well could be the next game I'm targeting. Thankfully there are a good number of them out there.

    #46 42 days ago
    Quoted from Marty_Graw77:

    bang for the buck to me means won't get annoying -call outs, music, etc.

    You lost me here

    #47 42 days ago
    Quoted from tonedef131:

    You lost me here

    That's why it didn't make the cut and was instead under "honorable mentions".

    #48 42 days ago

    Of the ones mentioned, I think Demolition Man looks pretty cool without me playing it. WCS would need another look as the video I saw they just kept shooting goals and looked kinda repetitive. Maybe I need to play more on the Getaway, it might be because it’s flanked with higher tier games on the Williams pinball app, but I have trouble getting into that one.

    #49 42 days ago

    BBH is the only DMD game that offers bang for the buck.

    #50 42 days ago

    JM has a ton packed into it if you can get passed the glove. It's one of the fasted pins too. Oh, and midnight madness.

    Congo if you wanna go that expensive. I miss mine. Super cool pin and unique.

    WCS94 is pretty fun to play too, if you like the theme. Amazing to look at as well.

    Look into some of the 90's gottlieb titles too. They can be had for cheap.

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