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2019 New Pinball purchase will be taxed.

By mnpinball

1 year ago

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    Post #297 Comments from a distributor. Posted by KingPinGames (1 year ago)

    Post #304 More info from a distributor. Posted by KingPinGames (1 year ago)

    Post #355 Economic nexus test, uses Louisiana as an example. Posted by iceman44 (1 year ago)

    Post #415 Comment from distributor. Posted by Gexchange (1 year ago)

    Post #465 State by state tracker. Posted by flynnibus (1 year ago)

    Post #505 Some expierence for 2019 and suggestions. Posted by Pinzap (1 year ago)

    Post #513 Break down of thresholds state by state Posted by Hemispheres (1 year ago)

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    #387 1 year ago
    Quoted from Methos:

    If they can afford $7k for a pinball, they can afford 7.5k. What else are they gonna spend it on?

    more not NIB pins probably. Lol

    There is no doubt more and more are priced out with each increase. And more will opt for a cheaper used game rather than nib as the price continues up.

    #420 1 year ago

    sorry, if this has already been brought up as I have not followed this entire thread.

    I am wondering if sales tax needs to be charged/paid on secondary sales of games?
    i.e. person #1 buys and pays for a game and is charged/pays sales tax. They then sell to person #2 (let's say NIB still for the simplicity of it all); are they also supposed to be charged/pay on that secondary sale?

    I ask for 2 reasons.
    First is there are lots of guys that act as the little distributors in their region. They buy a bunch of games for a discount from a bigger distributor and then resell.
    Second is that technically the sale from Stern to the original distributor is the first sale. We all know that distributors have to pay stern and then turn around and mark the game up before selling to the end user. The reality is that every NIB game is being sold the second time when it makes it to a home user.

    #427 1 year ago
    Quoted from fxdwg:

    I remember in high school being taught that sales tax on commercial goods is only ever collected ONCE. (certainly there are exceptions to that rule, although I have never understood why you pay taxes on the sale of a car over and over again.) Otherwise you would have to charge sales tax at flea markets and garage sales or anywhere you bought anything.
    Now mind you, I think I was in high school like 100 years ago. or at least it seems. so take that for what its worth.
    for the jr. distributors, if they have a vendors license, they would not pay tax to the larger distributor because it would be marked as a wholesale purchase, and would have a tax exempt number, but then its up to the jr. distributor to charge sales tax on "their" sale. If they don't have a vendors license, their original purchase would NOT be tax exempt, and they would pay the larger distributor tax on their purchase of X machines.
    I used to run a small business back in the day, and at least that is how it was explained to me. I had to report all sales for the year and the taxes I collected on those sales. depending on dollar amount, sales tax was paid quarterly or monthly to the state.

    so this change will also likely push out some of the jr. distributors? or they will just do a pass through I suppose to the real end buyer?

    Distributors in Sterns plan are actually vendors so they avoid the sales tax themselves but instead have to do all the collection BS and tracking.

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    #518 1 year ago
    Quoted from Hemispheres:


    looks like these are the states where distributors should set up?

    Only distributor I know of off the top of my head that is from any of those states is Rob Anthony whom is a Spooky distributor (Montana is his home state I think?). Does that mean I could avoid sales tax if I order future Spooky games through him?

    #529 1 year ago
    Quoted from Hemispheres:

    No, all these laws are based on where the consumer lives as in where we the distributor ships the product too. Pick the state you live in on the list I provided and that is the law for that distributor no matter where said distributor is located.

    so for WI "100K in sales OR 200 transactions"

    That means I should try to find a distributor that is < the above and they wont have to charge sales tax?
    then if they hit that threshold later in the year, I could go find a new distributor?

    #532 1 year ago

    oh yes, I agree

    this whole thing is a complete goat rodeo.

    It is obviously intended to screw over small businesses and make it harder to do business while also collecting more tax for the big boys up top to then give back to their friends.

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