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2019 New Pinball purchase will be taxed.

By mnpinball

5 years ago


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    Post #297 Comments from a distributor. Posted by KingPinGames (5 years ago)

    Post #304 More info from a distributor. Posted by KingPinGames (5 years ago)

    Post #355 Economic nexus test, uses Louisiana as an example. Posted by iceman44 (5 years ago)

    Post #415 Comment from distributor. Posted by Gexchange (5 years ago)

    Post #465 State by state tracker. Posted by flynnibus (5 years ago)

    Post #505 Some expierence for 2019 and suggestions. Posted by Pinzap (5 years ago)

    Post #513 Break down of thresholds state by state Posted by Hemispheres (5 years ago)


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    #286 5 years ago
    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    The top 10 percent have NO IDEA how bad the bottom 45 percent have it. Pay people a good living wage and they will be more then happy to contribute their share of taxes.
    Can’t take blood from a stone.

    We do get blood from a stone. The bottom half do pay taxes, they fuel the lottery. 50 percent goes to the government and 50 percent is donated to the winner.

    We also hide taxing the bottom half under the guise of helping them make better choices. We have raised the taxes on cigarettes significantly in the past years with this tactic. Both of these taxes target the bottom 45.

    #296 5 years ago
    Quoted from cantbfrank:

    What is the justification of taxing individuals on private party sales. The whole value of the product was already originally taxed. Isn’t the double taxation.

    The record stores still asses taxes on used records even though the original tax was paid. I remember Garth Brooks brought a lawsuit against re-sellers because he only got his royalties once.

    #300 5 years ago
    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    Ya this is total bullshit, but like it’s been said, in the auto market it’s been enforced through registration. Private sales have no way of being enforced, so it never happens, although you’re supposed to report it on your taxes. No one ever dose.
    Now there will be enforcement for online sales.
    So, ya, double taxation is happening on the second hand market and is not right.
    I’d be cautious even posting a for sale add on pinside. Even if it’s a private sale, it’s been facilitated through the Internet on a public website. IRS catches a sale you didn’t report and I bet that won’t be a fun process.

    A couple of decades ago I worked for the IRS and at that time most of the investigators were paid bonus based on the size of the fine. Pinside is too small for them to chase hundreds when there are corporations doing millions in non-compliance. There is even a payday for the whistle blower, just recently a whistleblower received over a million for exposing a company non-compliance.

    #308 5 years ago
    Quoted from KingPinGames:

    This has definitely been on my mind lately. I have lots of customers in different states, mainly for tax reasons, but also because we have built a relationship. The way I understood the law was "if I (the seller) had a physical presence in the same state as you (the buyer) then I was required to collect the sales tax. On the other hand, if you (the buyer) were located in a different state then it was up to you to pay the tax. It's not that you never had to pay the tax, it was that I just never had to collect it.
    Now, under the new laws, I'm am a glorified tax collector for the government. What does this mean for me as a distributor? Let me ask this instead. Let's say I make the 18 hour drive one way from my office to texas pinball fest. What advantages does a texas resident have to buy from me instead of from their local distributor? Other than offering extended warranties and exclusive stories about the superstar jjp designer?
    I can see this new tax collection law increasing my local sales as now I am on the same price level as guys from out of state, but I can't see a reason (other than personal) for making the business journey to far away shows. I will probably still make the trip to tpf because I like the show and they (dallas) do not have a local JJP/Spooky distributor, but (as always) I encourage everyone to buy locally to support local dealers.
    I ask the pinside crowd this. Would you still continue to buy from and out of state dealer if they had to collect sales tax from you (and charge a higher shipping rate)? I included the high shipping since shipping one game states away cost more than shipping a dozen games to my office where "local" buyers can pick them up? I have lot of pinball friends in lots of other states, but I would not blame any of them for choosing to buy locally if all else was equal.
    Lots to think about in 2019.

    I have purchased 4 NIB machines, 3 of them from JJP. I will continue to do business with JJP because of @jerseyjen. When I call her she has always taken my call and has never punted me to voicemail. I know this sounds minor but it means a lot to me. In fact all of JJP staff has been this way. In fact a few years ago my WOZ died on me; I posted it on pinside and Alex called me on a Sunday to help me. If everything is the same those who go above and beyond will win.

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