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2019 New Pinball purchase will be taxed.

By mnpinball

5 years ago


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    Post #297 Comments from a distributor. Posted by KingPinGames (5 years ago)

    Post #304 More info from a distributor. Posted by KingPinGames (5 years ago)

    Post #355 Economic nexus test, uses Louisiana as an example. Posted by iceman44 (5 years ago)

    Post #415 Comment from distributor. Posted by Gexchange (5 years ago)

    Post #465 State by state tracker. Posted by flynnibus (5 years ago)

    Post #505 Some expierence for 2019 and suggestions. Posted by Pinzap (5 years ago)

    Post #513 Break down of thresholds state by state Posted by Hemispheres (5 years ago)


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    #513 5 years ago

    So here is what I see based off The homework we have done with our accountant.
    The 2 states to stay out of are OK and PA: 10K plus in a year and you're filing taxes... so one game and your done... so those of you living in Oklahoma and Pennsylvania you're screwed. Maybe if you buy one game a year early in the year you'll find a dealer to do it.

    MOST states adopted the ruling of the Supreme court but some altered. REMEMBER ALL OF THIS IS A ROLLING CALENDAR YEAR so at the end of each quarter you go back one year from the END OF THAT QTR.
    100K in sales OR 200 transactions: IN,IA,KY,IL,LA,ME,MD,MI,NE,NV,RI,NJ,NC,ND,SD,UT,VT,WA,DC,WV,WY,WI,CA,CO
    100K plus in sales: SC
    100 or more retail sales shipped to the state or 10 or more retail sales totaling more than 100K shipped to the state during 12 consecutive months: MN
    250K AND 200 transactions AND active solicitation: CT
    250K OR 200 transactions: GA
    250K plus: AL,MS
    500K AND 100 transactions: MA
    500K plus: OH,TN,TX
    NO TAX UNLESS YOU HAVE A PRESENCE, A REP OR AFFILIATE IN THIS STATE: AZ,AK,FL,KS,MO,NM,NY,VA
    NO TAX AT ALL NO MATTER IF PRESENCE OR NOT: AK,DE,MT,NH,OR

    #527 5 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    looks like these are the states where distributors should set up?
    Only distributor I know of off the top of my head that is from any of those states is Rob Anthony whom is a Spooky distributor (Montana is his home state I think?). Does that mean I could avoid sales tax if I order future Spooky games through him?

    Where the distributor is based out of his irrelevant. It's where the product is shipped.

    #528 5 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    looks like these are the states where distributors should set up?
    Only distributor I know of off the top of my head that is from any of those states is Rob Anthony whom is a Spooky distributor (Montana is his home state I think?). Does that mean I could avoid sales tax if I order future Spooky games through him?

    No, all these laws are based on where the consumer lives as in where we the distributor ships the product too. Pick the state you live in on the list I provided and that is the law for that distributor no matter where said distributor is located.

    #530 5 years ago
    Quoted from AFM95:

    Great information, thank you for sharing.
    Can I ask a question using a scenario below?
    Since I'm in MN, and let's say historically you never hit 100 transactions or 100K+ in sales in a rolling calendar year in my state as a distributor.
    I buy a NIB game from you.
    Would you need to collect a sales tax even if you have never hit 100 trx or 100K + in sales during a rolling calendar year (and you make an educated guess that you won't go over in the next 12 months)? Or would you be collecting it anyway in case you went over the threshold? Maybe that's completely up to a distributor to decide?
    It's a shame the government is essentially penalizing small businesses to invest more money and resources to keep up with the different collection laws in each state. What a headache.

    We would not "need" to no. if we're projected to hit the hundred thousand in four quarters then I would assume Distributors would start collecting. I would think most of us will just stop doing business in those states to avoid the hassle. The one thing I haven't asked is if we charge our regular state sales tax in our sales do we even have to deal with the tax from other states. So hypothetically if we're reaching the 100K threshold in your state if I just charge Illinois sales tax (where we are located) on your sale I don't have to deal with the Minnesota sales tax. That I'm unsure of.

    I'm not overly worried about this except for the couple of States I mentioned above. For the most part most of us won't be hitting these marks there's a couple states that I'm probably close so we'll just have to watch. it is a big pain in the ass. None of these numbers are etched in stone and can ebb and flow and change at anytime. There's also a ton of different dates of when these go into effect or had been in effect. You have no idea the amount of mind-boggling information we have to go through to make sure we're in compliance with this mess. And at these margins? I scratch my head sometimes.

    #531 5 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    so for WI "100K in sales OR 200 transactions"
    That means I should try to find a distributor that is < the above and they wont have to charge sales tax?
    then if they hit that threshold later in the year, I could go find a new distributor?

    For the most part you're correct. The crappy thing as a distributor is if we go three quarters and we haven't collected the tax on all those sales in your state for example, and now we're going to hit the threshold in your state all that tax that we did not collect will be due. We can't simply go back to you and say oh you owe the tax now. You have no idea that headaches this creates for us. we literally have to monitor every state we do business in now. Some larger Distributors just may choose to start collecting tax in every state there is tax to avoid the possibility of breaking the threshold in that state. I don't know. I do know based on the numbers that we do that there's definitely distributors out there that are breaking these thresholds. Especially those that do a lot of small transactions that will break the 100 or 200 transaction number.

    #559 5 years ago
    Quoted from underlord:

    I live in NH. Maybe I should become a distributor.

    It doesn't matter what state set up shop in..... it matters what state you ship to!

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    #561 5 years ago
    Quoted from dgpinball:

    Here's a interesting angle that I don't think has been discussed. I live very close to the US border, so I take advantage of the much lower cost of shipping internally in the US and get all my parts sent to a package depot there and then I pick them up and bring them thru the border and pay the Canadian taxes.
    What I'm wondering is, now with these new rules will a company have to charge me the state tax based on the destination of the shipment, or will it be exempt because it is ultimately ending up in another country where the seller has no jurisdiction? This scenario will also come into play for people who live near state borders, ie Washington/Oregon.
    So I guess the question is will the tax be applied on the basis of where you live. (billing address), or on where the goods are shipped to, (shipping address) just another complication in what looks like a real mess!!

    Well, first off this shouldn't even be an issue because there is no US dealer that should be selling you games. It'll only be a matter of time before they get caught if they are. I sold a game to a customer who ended up selling it to somebody and the game ultimately ended up in a European country. Stern came back to me asking for verification that I sold that game in the US to a US citizen. They take that VERY seriously As they should to help protect their dealers in those countries.

    #574 5 years ago
    Quoted from dgpinball:

    Perhaps I should have been clearer, I'm not concerned about buying a NIB machine, I would buy thru Nitro if I was, I'm more concerned about parts orders from Marco, PBL, PBR etc.
    From what I've read since then, it seems unlikely that they will exceed the limits, so it shouldn't be an issue, but the question still remains, is the tax to be paid based on the state the item is shipped too, or where the buyer resides?

    Got it. Well, if you are technically an out-of-country resident and they're hitting their threshold I would assume you still don't pay tax because you don't reside in any of the states but that's just speculation and something I would probably have to ask my accountant.

    #577 5 years ago

    So any tax pro's here wanna give me your take on this? I am reading this that IF we had registered by 3/18 we could have just gone option 2 "Comply with Pennsylvania’s notice and reporting requirements" meaning the purchaser is well notified that they owe the tax and were clear and free? Gotta message into my CPA... but the wording on this page is a bit confusing. I think it means if we plaster the website, the invoice and send an annual report to the PA buyer then were off the hook for the tax and it's still on the buyer?

    Option 2 - Notice and Reporting Requirements

    If a remote seller elects to comply with the notice and reporting requirements, it must take the following actions starting April 1, 2018:

    Post a notice on the sales forum that states:
    Pennsylvania sales or use tax may be due in connection with the purchase and delivery of tangible personal property to Pennsylvania individuals and businesses.

    The purchaser is required to file a use tax return if tax is due in connection with the purchase and delivery in the Commonwealth.

    This notice is required pursuant to the provisions of the Tax Reform Code of 1971. 72 P.S. § 7213.2.

    Provide a written notice on all invoices, order forms, sales receipts or similar documents, whether in paper or electronic form, to each purchaser at the time of each sale that states:
    Pennsylvania sales tax was not collected on this sale. Therefore, you may be required to remit use tax directly to the Commonwealth on your purchase if the items are subject to Pennsylvania sales tax. Please visit this link to learn more about your use tax obligations under Pennsylvania law.

    No statement that sales or use tax is not imposed on a transaction may be made by a remote seller, unless the transaction is exempt from sales and use tax, pursuant to Article II of the Tax Reform Code or other applicable Commonwealth law.

    Provide an annual report to the purchaser that states:
    A remote seller making an election to comply with the notice and reporting requirements must submit an annual report by January 31 of each year to the purchaser that includes the following.

    [Name of remote seller] did not collect sales tax in connection with your transactions. You may be required to remit use tax to the Pennsylvania Department of Revenue. Following is a list by date, type and purchase price of each product, purchased or leased by the purchaser from this remoter seller, and delivered to a location within this Commonwealth.

    [Insert list]

    https://www.revenue.pa.gov/GeneralTaxInformation/Tax%20Types%20and%20Information/SUT/MarketPlaceSales/Pages/Remote-Sellers.aspx

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