Not sure how that’s possible because if you ship and don’t pick up the pinball and the distributor isn’t setup in that State to collect taxes. This is true of any item. We buy stuff in other states at places that do not have stores in our state and ship all the time and don’t have to pay the sales tax. Taking it with us well then we have to pay the tax.

Re-read what he posted. This is a NEW tax law effecting all states. You are now required to pay sales tax on all internet purchases over XX amount of dollars no matter what state you buy from, what state it's shipped to or if sender has store in that state.

Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon have no state-level sales taxes

Looks like things are looking up for distributors in those states!

Fortunately, I border one of 'em! Just a short trip to pick up my NIB! Blah, who am I kidding, I don't pay for NIB.

On the bright side, the value of all my pins just went up about 10%!

Another reason it's good not to have to ship.
But 500-700 more might take a cut into premium sales you think?

It’s a huge PIA for any online retailer.
This is the dumbest idea imo.
A flat federal internet tax of 4% would have been smarter.

Wouldn’t this tax apply to ANY pinball sales out of state? Not just NIB...

Should be okay if I paid in full on a MBrLE in 2018 and won't receive it until this month sometime?? Anyway that blows and could be deal-breakers to some.

Missouri has not passed any laws concerning this yet, we just need some states like hopefully mine to break ranks and I think the whole thing will fold. One dumb state started this mess and one smart state can end it.

Huh. Who is responsible for this new law?

I remember reading some tweets that this would be good for consumers.

So....what if it's not an internet purchase? What if you send a personal check to an out of state distributor?

So you don't pay taxes on a new pinballmachine in te USA?
We pay 21% taxen on a new pinballmachine !!!

Paying more is good for the consumers how?

Were 13% sales tax on everything here. It’s kinda hard listening to people bitch about having to finally pay sales taxes. It’s just the way of life for lots of people.

Welcome to the rest of the world.

In my view, the fact that out of state purchases have not had sales taxes levied in the past is very unfair for the brick and mortar retailers. Amazon has been charging sales taxes since a short while now.

Sales taxes should be levied on every purchase or on no purchases.

As I understand it, it will be an administrative nightmare and that is one reason it took so long.

Taxes pay for the roads which allow the delivery trucks to bring your orders to your house. Otherwise how would you consume stuff ?

This internet tax thing is a joke. If you buy something out of state, you the consumer technically are supposed to pay sales tax to your state. Under the new law, the out of state retailer is now supposed to collect the tax and pay it with your state. It’s going to be a headache for everyone. I think the limit for a retailer is 200 transactions or $100k in revenue in any state.

It’s just a money grab by politicians, has little to do with competition. We have no pinball brick and mortar distros or even internet distros based in NJ. The main retailers affected are the big chain stores that were being hurt by Amazon, which now collects sales tax.

That’s one way to look at it. I differ in my point of view, not all taxes are useless.

I could think of a hundred things that America could improve in your country with more tax money. Alas, instead of using it for good social programs or schools, or roads ect... it will probably be used for something stupid like military spending or border control, or just used to line the fat pockets of the rich in your failed system. Yes, I believe that any country as rich as the USA, with poverty as high as the USA is a failed system.

Gotta say I'm glad this wasnt typed in german.

these are state taxes, not federal. which is why its taken this long to enforce

prior system for out of state purchases:
'honor system' where the buyer is responsible to volunteer the tax money to their own state

now for qualified purchases and businesses:
sellers have to deal with up to 50 different tax rates and tax agencies to fwd to on buyers behalf

Yeah, I was going to say that too.

In addition, the United States spends more on education than any country in the world... And more per capita than almost any other country (Canada is FAR behind). It's proof that throwing money at a solution doesn't always (usually?) give results. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cmd.asp

Having a clue as to what you are talking about is always helpful.

You have to love someone from a socialist country lecture the country who gives more money to every other country in the world to help with corruption and poverty. What exactly is it again that canada supplies to the world economy that makes them relevant? Oh that right gravy on french fries! I suggest you keep your anti-American comments to yourself. Without gottlieb, bally and williams(all evil American companies) you and everybody else wouldn't be having this conversation because there would be no pinball. Perhaps you should have your facts in order before you puke out anything else that could be interpreted as nothing but condescending.

This is what happens when someone speaks about something they know nothing about. Each state will determine how the taxes are used. I haven't watched a ton of news lately but maybe Texas is building a wall to keep Arkansas out?

Taxing online purchases is not a matter of if, but when. Governments don’t give up revenue. They have been and will continue to work on this problem until it is regulated into enforceable laws.

About 6-7 years ago, my state swept through small business to collect sales tax on unreported internet purchases. They made it retroactive for several years and collected a huge amount of money for the state. It became mandatory going forward. After each case was resolved, they sent a cute letter saying “we have forwarded this data to your city and parish(county) governments for their collection purposes”.

As a small retailer tracking sales tax rates in each community across the nation is a costly burden. Then sending all of those individual payments to each sales location is unrealistic. Building a website smart enough to know every tax scenario is also costly and could cripple small businesses.

I personally think the taxes should be based on the physical location of the business. In other words I am fine collecting sales tax, but when you come to a store in person or online it should be the same tax. That’s not a burdensome request. The local community is the one providing services to the business (utilities, fire, medical, police, streets).

If the business is huge and the local community has to support a business that receives 20 trucks a day......etc

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/supreme-court-passes-online-sales-tax-

Isn't Oregon tax exempt? If so the distributor in that area will be very busy.

https://www.oregon.gov/DOR/Pages/sales-tax.aspx

I agree ofvd. My best guess is that local government aren’t worried about other states revenue. I think local governments will find a way to get more out of its own residents. I have no idea how and sure hope it takes a long time.

They have to collect it for the state the buyer is in, not the state the seller is in.

That’s why it will be so burdensome.

I agree 100%. Let the community providing the service get the benefit of the taxes, not the state that something is shipped too. This is an easy solution and will encourage people to buy local when possible.

The delivery companies are paying taxes that pay for the roads they use.

Exactly, who wouldn’t rather buy local, know your dealer, get good LOCAL support.

Well someone needs to pay for that wall LOL. All joking aside this will be a nightmare for small businesses and pinball manufacturers. Paying an extra $500 on top of the most likely $200 added cost to the already inflated pinball prices is not going to help.

I'm not happy about this, but in this day and age I don't understand why it is such an accounting nightmare? Most if not all of these transactions happen via credit cards or paypal. Seems like they should easily be able to implement this system on their end and make the tax payments directly. They are already charging 3 or more percent for something that should be .3%, time to start earning their money...

So who lives in Oregon that wants to be my broker?

More Canadian misunderstanding. These are state sales taxes. Not the U.S. government.

Exaaaaacctly.

I know I'm just f*cking with you guys.

while i like the idea, I'm also sure states with no sales tax love it as well and states that have high sales tax would hate it. easier politics to do it this way unfortunately?

I'm just going to be the first to put this out there. I'm not paying $500-700 more in taxes for a Rihanna LE. A man has to draw the line somewhere.

Lets remember that people from different countries are just expressing there own opinions and we should not be judging a whole countries on personal opinions. No need for derogatory comments . We are all pinball .

I have to agree 100%. Now for a Beyonce thats a different story.

Fair.. however that statement goes 2 ways.

The list.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

Let’s just get Mexico to cover the taxes.

Hey I finally got a moderation notice on pinside There’s a first for everything.

This tax may be a pain in the ass, but I don’t have sympathy for the people that now have to deal with it.

Absolutely it does.

If this is the case i won't buy anymore nib pins as they were all ready to much and this will push them into super crazy prices.

Think also of the implications of tax free states (like mine - NH) surrounded by taxable states and how it can impact the 2nd hand market.

Typically newer Stern HUO's are only going for $200-300 less than NIB. If a buyer in a state with a higher sales tax (like RI for instance which I think is 7.0%) wants a NIB Stern Pro, they're probably looking at $5700 + $399 = $6,099, and yes I'm assuming a price hike for Munsters onward, ignoring shipping.

Meanwhile that same Pro in NH costs us only $5700.

So when seller in RI wants to sell, they may think that they can get $200-300 less and sell for $5800-5900, and they may, but not to NH buyers anymore. Conversely, for NH NIB buyers want to eventually sell, they can then ignore potential NH buyers and in theory could list the same game for $5800 (more than purchase price) and be on the low end of the RI market.

Just saying it can have an effect at areas near borders of tax-free states.

This statement is the exact reason people from other countries don't seem to understand. When you charge more money to consumers for the same product you will have less buyers for that product who will then go spend those dollars on lesser priced or lesser taxed items.