2019 New Pinball purchase will be taxed.

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2019 New Pinball purchase will be taxed.


By mnpinball

73 days ago



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    Post #297 Comments from a distributor. Posted by KingPinGames (72 days ago)

    Post #304 More info from a distributor. Posted by KingPinGames (72 days ago)

    Post #355 Economic nexus test, uses Louisiana as an example. Posted by iceman44 (71 days ago)

    Post #415 Comment from distributor. Posted by Gexchange (69 days ago)

    Post #465 State by state tracker. Posted by flynnibus (68 days ago)

    Post #505 Some expierence for 2019 and suggestions. Posted by Pinzap (65 days ago)

    Post #513 Break down of thresholds state by state Posted by Hemispheres (61 days ago)


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    #1 73 days ago

    Are you ready to pay $500 to $700 more for your Pinball Purchased this year ?

    New state government regulations will be required to collect sales tax (% rate of the receiver end delivery state) for any pinball machine even if Purchased out of state and drop shipped as before previous of 2019.

    This is a huge deal and a headache for everybody buyers and sellers people quoting and wanting the lowest price.

    Looking to hear your thoughts and some good ideas to get a way around this.

    #2 73 days ago

    Not sure how that’s possible because if you ship and don’t pick up the pinball and the distributor isn’t setup in that State to collect taxes. This is true of any item. We buy stuff in other states at places that do not have stores in our state and ship all the time and don’t have to pay the sales tax. Taking it with us well then we have to pay the tax.

    #3 73 days ago
    Quoted from wdpvideo:

    Not sure how that’s possible because if you ship and don’t pick up the pinball and the distributor isn’t setup in that State to collect taxes. This is true of any item. We buy stuff in other states at places that do not have stores in our state and ship all the time and don’t have to pay the sales tax. Taking it with us well then we have to pay the tax.

    Re-read what he posted. This is a NEW tax law effecting all states. You are now required to pay sales tax on all internet purchases over XX amount of dollars no matter what state you buy from, what state it's shipped to or if sender has store in that state.

    #4 73 days ago

    Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon have no state-level sales taxes

    Looks like things are looking up for distributors in those states!

    Fortunately, I border one of 'em! Just a short trip to pick up my NIB! Blah, who am I kidding, I don't pay for NIB.

    On the bright side, the value of all my pins just went up about 10%!

    #5 73 days ago

    Another reason it's good not to have to ship.
    But 500-700 more might take a cut into premium sales you think?

    #6 73 days ago
    Quoted from wdpvideo:

    Not sure how that’s possible because if you ship and don’t pick up the pinball and the distributor isn’t setup in that State to collect taxes. This is true of any item. We buy stuff in other states at places that do not have stores in our state and ship all the time and don’t have to pay the sales tax. Taking it with us well then we have to pay the tax.

    It’s a huge PIA for any online retailer.
    This is the dumbest idea imo.
    A flat federal internet tax of 4% would have been smarter.

    #7 73 days ago
    Quoted from HighVoltage:

    Just a short trip to pick up my NIB! Blah, who am I kidding, I don't pay for NIB.

    Wouldn’t this tax apply to ANY pinball sales out of state? Not just NIB...

    #8 73 days ago

    Should be okay if I paid in full on a MBrLE in 2018 and won't receive it until this month sometime?? Anyway that blows and could be deal-breakers to some.

    #9 73 days ago

    Missouri has not passed any laws concerning this yet, we just need some states like hopefully mine to break ranks and I think the whole thing will fold. One dumb state started this mess and one smart state can end it.

    #10 73 days ago
    Quoted from mnpinball:

    Are you ready to pay $500 to $700 more for your Pinball Purchased this year ?
    New state government regulations will be required to collect sales tax (% rate of the receiver end delivery state) for any pinball machine even if Purchased out of state and drop shipped as before previous of 2019.
    This is a huge deal and a headache for everybody buyers and sellers people quoting and wanting the lowest price.
    Looking to hear your thoughts and some good ideas to get a way around this.

    Huh. Who is responsible for this new law?

    I remember reading some tweets that this would be good for consumers.

    #11 73 days ago

    So....what if it's not an internet purchase? What if you send a personal check to an out of state distributor?

    #12 73 days ago

    So you don't pay taxes on a new pinballmachine in te USA?
    We pay 21% taxen on a new pinballmachine !!!

    #13 73 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Huh. Who is responsible for this new law?
    I remember reading some tweets that this would be good for consumers.

    Paying more is good for the consumers how?

    #14 73 days ago
    Quoted from pascal-pinball:

    So you don't pay taxes on a new pinballmachine in te USA?
    We pay 21% taxen on a new pinballmachine !!!

    Were 13% sales tax on everything here. It’s kinda hard listening to people bitch about having to finally pay sales taxes. It’s just the way of life for lots of people.

    Welcome to the rest of the world.

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    #15 73 days ago

    In my view, the fact that out of state purchases have not had sales taxes levied in the past is very unfair for the brick and mortar retailers. Amazon has been charging sales taxes since a short while now.

    Sales taxes should be levied on every purchase or on no purchases.

    As I understand it, it will be an administrative nightmare and that is one reason it took so long.

    #16 73 days ago
    Quoted from vwallat99:

    Paying more is good for the consumers how?

    Taxes pay for the roads which allow the delivery trucks to bring your orders to your house. Otherwise how would you consume stuff ?

    #17 73 days ago

    This internet tax thing is a joke. If you buy something out of state, you the consumer technically are supposed to pay sales tax to your state. Under the new law, the out of state retailer is now supposed to collect the tax and pay it with your state. It’s going to be a headache for everyone. I think the limit for a retailer is 200 transactions or $100k in revenue in any state.

    It’s just a money grab by politicians, has little to do with competition. We have no pinball brick and mortar distros or even internet distros based in NJ. The main retailers affected are the big chain stores that were being hurt by Amazon, which now collects sales tax.

    #18 73 days ago
    Quoted from Lermods:

    It’s just a money grab by politicians,

    That’s one way to look at it. I differ in my point of view, not all taxes are useless.

    I could think of a hundred things that America could improve in your country with more tax money. Alas, instead of using it for good social programs or schools, or roads ect... it will probably be used for something stupid like military spending or border control, or just used to line the fat pockets of the rich in your failed system. Yes, I believe that any country as rich as the USA, with poverty as high as the USA is a failed system.

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    #19 73 days ago
    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    it will probably be used for something stupid like military spending or border control, or just used to line the fat pockets of the rich in your failed system. Yes, I believe that any country as rich as the USA, with poverty as high as the USA is a failed system.

    Gotta say I'm glad this wasnt typed in german.

    #20 73 days ago
    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    military spending or border control, or just used to line the fat pockets

    these are state taxes, not federal. which is why its taken this long to enforce

    prior system for out of state purchases:
    'honor system' where the buyer is responsible to volunteer the tax money to their own state

    now for qualified purchases and businesses:
    sellers have to deal with up to 50 different tax rates and tax agencies to fwd to on buyers behalf

    #21 73 days ago
    Quoted from sd_tom:

    these are state taxes, not federal

    Yeah, I was going to say that too.

    In addition, the United States spends more on education than any country in the world... And more per capita than almost any other country (Canada is FAR behind). It's proof that throwing money at a solution doesn't always (usually?) give results. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cmd.asp

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    #22 73 days ago
    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    That’s one way to look at it. I differ in my point of view, not all taxes are useless.
    I could think of a hundred things that America could improve in your country with more tax money. Alas, instead of using it for good social programs or schools, or roads ect... it will probably be used for something stupid like military spending or border control, or just used to line the fat pockets of the rich in your failed system. Yes, I believe that any country as rich as the USA, with poverty as high as the USA is a failed system.

    Having a clue as to what you are talking about is always helpful.

    #23 73 days ago
    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    That’s one way to look at it. I differ in my point of view, not all taxes are useless.
    I could think of a hundred things that America could improve in your country with more tax money. Alas, instead of using it for good social programs or schools, or roads ect... it will probably be used for something stupid like military spending or border control, or just used to line the fat pockets of the rich in your failed system. Yes, I believe that any country as rich as the USA, with poverty as high as the USA is a failed system.

    You have to love someone from a socialist country lecture the country who gives more money to every other country in the world to help with corruption and poverty. What exactly is it again that canada supplies to the world economy that makes them relevant? Oh that right gravy on french fries! I suggest you keep your anti-American comments to yourself. Without gottlieb, bally and williams(all evil American companies) you and everybody else wouldn't be having this conversation because there would be no pinball. Perhaps you should have your facts in order before you puke out anything else that could be interpreted as nothing but condescending.

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    #24 73 days ago
    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    That’s one way to look at it. I differ in my point of view, not all taxes are useless.
    I could think of a hundred things that America could improve in your country with more tax money. Alas, instead of using it for good social programs or schools, or roads ect... it will probably be used for something stupid like military spending or border control, or just used to line the fat pockets of the rich in your failed system. Yes, I believe that any country as rich as the USA, with poverty as high as the USA is a failed system.

    This is what happens when someone speaks about something they know nothing about. Each state will determine how the taxes are used. I haven't watched a ton of news lately but maybe Texas is building a wall to keep Arkansas out?

    #25 73 days ago

    Taxing online purchases is not a matter of if, but when. Governments don’t give up revenue. They have been and will continue to work on this problem until it is regulated into enforceable laws.

    About 6-7 years ago, my state swept through small business to collect sales tax on unreported internet purchases. They made it retroactive for several years and collected a huge amount of money for the state. It became mandatory going forward. After each case was resolved, they sent a cute letter saying “we have forwarded this data to your city and parish(county) governments for their collection purposes”.

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    #26 73 days ago

    As a small retailer tracking sales tax rates in each community across the nation is a costly burden. Then sending all of those individual payments to each sales location is unrealistic. Building a website smart enough to know every tax scenario is also costly and could cripple small businesses.

    I personally think the taxes should be based on the physical location of the business. In other words I am fine collecting sales tax, but when you come to a store in person or online it should be the same tax. That’s not a burdensome request. The local community is the one providing services to the business (utilities, fire, medical, police, streets).

    If the business is huge and the local community has to support a business that receives 20 trucks a day......etc

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/supreme-court-passes-online-sales-tax-

    #27 73 days ago

    Isn't Oregon tax exempt? If so the distributor in that area will be very busy.

    https://www.oregon.gov/DOR/Pages/sales-tax.aspx

    #28 73 days ago

    I agree ofvd. My best guess is that local government aren’t worried about other states revenue. I think local governments will find a way to get more out of its own residents. I have no idea how and sure hope it takes a long time.

    #29 73 days ago
    Quoted from pinmister:

    Isn't Oregon tax exempt? If so the distributor in that area will be very busy.
    https://www.oregon.gov/DOR/Pages/sales-tax.aspx

    They have to collect it for the state the buyer is in, not the state the seller is in.

    That’s why it will be so burdensome.

    #30 73 days ago
    Quoted from ovfdfireman:

    As a small retailer tracking sales tax rates in each community across the nation is a costly burden. Then sending all of those individual payments to each sales location is unrealistic. Building a website smart enough to know every tax scenario is also costly and could cripple small businesses.
    I personally think the taxes should be based on the physical location of the business. In other words I am fine collecting sales tax, but when you come to a store in person or online it should be the same tax. That’s not a burdensome request. The local community is the one providing services to the business (utilities, fire, medical, police, streets).
    If the business is huge and the local community has to support a business that receives 20 trucks a day......etc

    I agree 100%. Let the community providing the service get the benefit of the taxes, not the state that something is shipped too. This is an easy solution and will encourage people to buy local when possible.

    #31 73 days ago
    Quoted from branlon8:

    Taxes pay for the roads which allow the delivery trucks to bring your orders to your house. Otherwise how would you consume stuff ?

    The delivery companies are paying taxes that pay for the roads they use.

    #32 73 days ago
    Quoted from jgentry:

    I agree 100%. Let the community providing the service get the benefit of the taxes, not the state that something is shipped too. This is an easy solution and will encourage people to buy local when possible.

    Exactly, who wouldn’t rather buy local, know your dealer, get good LOCAL support.

    #33 73 days ago

    Well someone needs to pay for that wall LOL. All joking aside this will be a nightmare for small businesses and pinball manufacturers. Paying an extra $500 on top of the most likely $200 added cost to the already inflated pinball prices is not going to help.

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    #34 73 days ago

    I'm not happy about this, but in this day and age I don't understand why it is such an accounting nightmare? Most if not all of these transactions happen via credit cards or paypal. Seems like they should easily be able to implement this system on their end and make the tax payments directly. They are already charging 3 or more percent for something that should be .3%, time to start earning their money...

    #35 73 days ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    They have to collect it for the state the buyer is in, not the state the seller is in.

    So who lives in Oregon that wants to be my broker?

    #36 73 days ago
    Quoted from flashinstinct:

    Well someone needs to pay for that wall

    More Canadian misunderstanding. These are state sales taxes. Not the U.S. government.

    #37 73 days ago
    Quoted from pinmister:

    So who lives in Oregon that wants to be my broker?

    Exaaaaacctly.

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    #38 73 days ago
    Quoted from Sinestro:

    More Canadian misunderstanding. These are state sales taxes. Not the U.S. government.

    I know I'm just f*cking with you guys.

    #39 73 days ago
    Quoted from ovfdfireman:

    I personally think the taxes should be based on the physical location of the business.

    while i like the idea, I'm also sure states with no sales tax love it as well and states that have high sales tax would hate it. easier politics to do it this way unfortunately?

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    #40 73 days ago

    I'm just going to be the first to put this out there. I'm not paying $500-700 more in taxes for a Rihanna LE. A man has to draw the line somewhere.

    #41 73 days ago

    Lets remember that people from different countries are just expressing there own opinions and we should not be judging a whole countries on personal opinions. No need for derogatory comments . We are all pinball .

    #42 73 days ago
    Quoted from jgentry:

    I'm just going to be the first to put this out there. I'm not paying $500-700 more in taxes for a Rihanna LE. A man has to draw the line somewhere.

    I have to agree 100%. Now for a Beyonce thats a different story.

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    #43 73 days ago
    Quoted from Jokercyclone:

    Lets remember that people from different countries are just expressing there own opinions and we should not be judging a whole countries on personal opinions. No need for derogatory comments . We are all pinball .

    Fair.. however that statement goes 2 ways.

    #45 73 days ago

    Let’s just get Mexico to cover the taxes.

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    #46 73 days ago

    Hey I finally got a moderation notice on pinside There’s a first for everything.

    This tax may be a pain in the ass, but I don’t have sympathy for the people that now have to deal with it.

    #47 73 days ago
    Quoted from PinDeLaPin:

    Fair.. however that statement goes 2 ways.

    Absolutely it does.

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    #48 73 days ago

    If this is the case i won't buy anymore nib pins as they were all ready to much and this will push them into super crazy prices.

    #49 73 days ago

    Think also of the implications of tax free states (like mine - NH) surrounded by taxable states and how it can impact the 2nd hand market.

    Typically newer Stern HUO's are only going for $200-300 less than NIB. If a buyer in a state with a higher sales tax (like RI for instance which I think is 7.0%) wants a NIB Stern Pro, they're probably looking at $5700 + $399 = $6,099, and yes I'm assuming a price hike for Munsters onward, ignoring shipping.

    Meanwhile that same Pro in NH costs us only $5700.

    So when seller in RI wants to sell, they may think that they can get $200-300 less and sell for $5800-5900, and they may, but not to NH buyers anymore. Conversely, for NH NIB buyers want to eventually sell, they can then ignore potential NH buyers and in theory could list the same game for $5800 (more than purchase price) and be on the low end of the RI market.

    Just saying it can have an effect at areas near borders of tax-free states.

    #50 73 days ago
    Quoted from bigd1979:

    If this is the case i won't buy anymore nib pins as they were all ready to much and this will push them into super crazy prices.

    This statement is the exact reason people from other countries don't seem to understand. When you charge more money to consumers for the same product you will have less buyers for that product who will then go spend those dollars on lesser priced or lesser taxed items.

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