ALTUVE looks much bigger on my TV.....

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The truth is the Astros let game 1 slip from them. They pulled it out last night. Today is a bull pen day so anything can happen. Astros need this to tie it up....but if you aren’t playing the best you can’t win and though the Astros are the better team they are not playing like it. The Nats are a very good team. Hope the Astros get on track and win it all!

Getting caught is key. Everyone was doing it and MLB put everyone on notice to stop in 2017. Someone was butt hurt and blew the whistle on the Astros. It was pretty obvious. Many were doing/did it so get over it.

Sign stealing has been part of the game for a long time. And while it can give an advantage it’s not as big of an advantage as people think. Batters still have to hit the ball.

If you can steal signs by what you SEE ON THE FIELD then good on the teams that pick up on it. No electronic devices period. Why is there a replay room players have access to? That’s the question that should be asked. MLB only has themselves to blame for allowing that.....what did they think was going on.....MLB knew just like the roids. A replay room for umpires and maybe 1 official from each team that can view footage to advise if the coach should argue a call. That’s all MLB should have EVER allowed and this wouldn’t be an issue.

STEAL IT BACK 2020!!!
GO ASTROS!!!

So you are justifying the teams that did but are not be investigated/punished? It’s not what they did but HOW they did it with use of electronic devices.

Any team is free to communicate what they see with their EYES.

MLB knew lots of teams were stealing signs and is why they sent a memo in 2017 asking all teams to stop.

People have no common sense on this. It’s bad yes but this goes so deep into lots of teams. MLB just wants it to stop and move forward.

The list of teams stealing signs is growing so everyone that wants to dog just the Astros can fuck off. Get the facts. LOTS of teams if not all of them were doing it. Not defending them either so don’t go there. There are stories going back decades starting to come out how teams did it years ago so this is nothing new. MLB should be blamed for only sending out a memo to the teams in 2017 telling them to stop. They knew it was going on with multiple teams and could have done more To end it but didn’t. The commissioner allowed this to escalate to this level.

And another point is if players suspected sign stealing was going on why not tell the umpire....isn’t that what players are supposed to do? You know why they didn’t is because they were stealing signs too most likely. This is a nightmare for MLB and they allowed it to happen.

Go Astros!!!
STEAL IT BACK!!!

This shortened season will have asterisk for the winnner.

Best idea might have been to have maybe a short 40 game warm up season to get players in shape and 30 team double elimination tournament. More for fun and the players to stay sharp and get paid a little. No true champ this year no matter how it plays out. Many injuries, players sitting out so most teams not playing the best they can.

Props to pitching intentionally to hit people??? Any pitcher doing that should be banned for those actions. One wrong pitch intentional pitch can end a career. People need to grow up and be adults. No need to hate on the Astros as we know damn near every team steals signs. Astros took it overtly too far I would agree.

Let’s put you in the batters box and have pitches intentionally thrown to hit you and see how you like it. One mistake and you can end a guys career. If you could guarantee a player would only be hit in the back, butt, arm, leg, etc. then not as big a deal. Hurts like hell I am sure but if no injury consequence I get on field justice. But you have to draw a line for player’s safety. If this had been regular season the bench clearing would have been a brawl I bet.

Players have always handed out punishment on the field. So yeah it was expected.

Not sure how MLB was supposed to handle it. If they really dug damn near every team would have to be punished. The list of fines/suspensions would be as bad as the steroid scandal. Would be very hard to find a single team that was not stealing signs. That’s why they stopped where they did.

Secondly pitchers in AL teams Or facing AL teams have only rare chances to get their turn in the batters box. If every pitcher batted they would get hit by pitches plenty. They should have their chance to get hit too if they want to dish it out.

Now that’s funny!!!

Agree. There is so much technology to be used to not be overtly stealing signs. It’s not illegal but there are some rules on how you can do it.

And yeah a memo was sent. Not sure how serious any team took it but the Astros paid no attention. They had a chance to “stop”. But if you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying!

Just noticed there are fans at the Angels/Astros game. They are playing on the road in LA. Shocked they allowed fans with a couple teams having players test positive. If a few more teams have a couple cases this may end real quick.

If baseball struggles the NFL season may not be any better.

And now I see the MLB commissioner has back pedaled and is now saying no reason to shut this season down.

If enough people test positive and have to be quarantined I don’t see how this can continue. There are only so many backup/minor league players you can backfill with before you run out or the talent on the field is just not competitive.

Will be interesting to watch.

Got ya. It did look pretty blurry. And the crowd noise was definitely pumped in for the TV. No way there was that much noise at the game.

Thanks for clarifying that!

I agree with Whysnow this season is kind of a wash. No real clear champ. Short season. Lots of injuries. Players sitting out.

For the sake of just keeping the players active and paying them something I wish they would have done a short 40 game warmup season and ended with an all teams double elimination tournament.

It’s hard to be real excited about these playoffs. The short season doesn’t compare to the grind of a full season. I kind of like it because each game matters a little more. The playoff games with no breaks is interesting. It means teams have to use more players and not rely on 2-3 top pitchers over a 5 or 7 game series. Tough for every team. Pitching has been all over the place from really good to really bad.

The expanded playoffs I do like with a short season mainly because it offsets the short season where you can see teams rise up or collapse over 162 games. A 60 game season doesn’t really allow for that.

Yes it is! Can’t wait to see how it plays out. This is a unique season with Covid so it can never be fairly compared to a full season....but it has unique challenges that all teams have had to face.

I like the “James Woods” voice we have on the ALCS games. That one guy sounds a lot like him.

We needs fans in the stands so we can get more Joe Buck Sucks.....that was hilarious.

Dodgers still have a chance. Would be an amazing story for Dodgers and Astros to come back. Odds are not good. And the playoffs are meant to be weighted. The NBA is a great example. The Rockets are a great regular season team. They are a horrible playoff team. Regular season just qualifies teams to compete for a championship even though the best team may not have made it. It happens. And in the playoffs even good/better teams get eliminated. That’s why we play the games and don’t award paper champions.

Astros and Tampa pitching matchup could be good. Charlie Morton facing the Stro’s. Could not have asked for a better game 7 scenario.

LMAO!!! Lots of people rooting for him but you are correct sir!

Charlie Morton is a very good pitcher. He struggles at times like anyone but he has shined in big moments.

Not sure but who is pitching but excited it’s another game 7. Houston fell flat which sucks because it would have been great to see Houston and LA. I don’t have a favorite tonight but we will soon find out who is going. Hoping for a good game.

Agree. Any owner that want a to buy a World Series can shell out a ton of money and assemble a team of stars and still fall short. Yankees have done this many times. Sometimes it works. But it is nice when teams just build a team and get hot at the right time.

One last thing I will say is that only a true Astros fan can share my hate for the Dodgers goes back to 1986. I was just a kid then but at that time the Dodgers came in town to play the Astros. Tommy Lasorda was asked what he thought about the Astros being in first place. He said the Astros were just renting it. Well the first game of that series was no disappointment. We were at the game sitting in Centerfield. At the start of the game someone hung a sign in right field.....It was in the shape of a penis and it said Rent this Lasorda! As kid it was the funniest thing I had seen at a game. It was gone by the 3rd inning. So rivalries can be fun. Ok....that sign was probably in poor taste but it was funny.

No denying the talent the Dodgers have but would love to see Tampa win. Just to see Joe Kelly cry sour grapes some more.

Damn…The Astros are doing better than I thought so far….a lot of season left. I think they need to shore up some relief/closing pitching and they could be tough come the playoffs if they are healthy.

Good teams are supposed beat bad teams….but the Stro’s are crushing the Oriels. Hope they make a move to shore up the bullpen. They will need it against the better teams in the playoffs.

Can’t wait for tomorrow to see if the Stro’s can get it together. Team is loaded with talent but gotta win when it counts. If the bats can get hot the pitching will take care of itself. If the bats go silent they have no chance. We don’t have the best pitching for tight games.

Yeah….a little obvious. MLB should PERMANENTLY BAN ANY PLAYER for that. That’s a little blatant. He is a little bitch anyway. If he is so mad he should give his ring back and walk away from baseballas we all know the Red Sox and others did it as well. He is a hypocrite. Enough on the sign stealing. It happened. It’s in the past.

Go Stro’s!!!

What…you like that a pitcher is intentionally throwing a ball 80-100mph at a players head that could injure or end a career? That is completely wrong on every level…that’s like intentionally taking out players knees in the NFL or NBA…you can hurt someone but you don’t end a career intentionally.

Now if you like the sign stealing I don’t have an issue with that…it’s been a part of baseball for a long time. And with all the cameras and stuff it’s harder for pitchers/catchers to disguise signs.

Back to the playoffs…

The commentary is hilarious for sure!!!

As a fan I own it…they got caught. Doesn’t matter that sign stealing has been a part of the game for decades or that other teams were doing it. But you can’t dismiss that side either. It’s a debate that will come up for years. Regardless we finally got a WS win. The list of teams that would take a WS win and live with a sign stealing scandal is longer than those that wouldn’t I assure you that. Winning makes owners money…

You obviously read what you want. I said put the debate in the past. It happened. I said as a fan I own it. Happy we won the WS despite the sign stealing. Am I proud they did it….no because in 2017 they probably would have won it anyway….by far the Astros were loaded with talent at that time.

In fact my bathroom has a an Astros gift bag as the liner….I did that so people would get a laugh.

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Only so many spots and if you are not performing your best sometimes you don’t make the cut…..maybe they want him to get some rest. Perhaps they feel they have enough pitching and don’t need him at the moment. The Astros are good but they have not been firing on all cylinders…it’s been up and down. The Astros bats are gonna have to show up in the playoffs. They don’t have the ace pitching staff they once had.

It’s game day!!!!
Bring it Sox!

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Let’s go Stro’s!!!

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If the Dodgers could beat the Astros in the playoffs that would be the WS so I would be good with that….better to make it to a WS than not at all.

Stro’s up 5-0….it ain’t over but looking good so far!

I am the guy that bangs the trashcan LOL!

Dusty Baker is well respected in baseball….if there is anyone deserving to be in a WS he is the guy….he ain’t got many years left as a coach. He is just so well regarded from anyone in baseball that has worked with him. That’s all you hear….nothing negative. Now you can critique his coaching and question a few choices but overall he knows what he is doing.

Great game tonight! Too soon to get excited….need 2 more wins.
McCullers was great tonight. He settled in early and did his part. Can’t ask anything more from a pitcher and he delivered.

What a throw by ALTUVE!!! That’s the defense that wins games.

You sir are correct!

It’s good to be hated!

Tampa shut down Sale early….that is crazy. But Boston is making a game of it so it’s way to early to call this one. That’s what makes playoff baseball so good.

They are slugging it out for sure!

Maybe not your current team….but this is no secret. It’s been covered by many people that this happened.

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I am ready for the LA/SF battle to continue. LA couldn’t get much going in game 1. There are both really good teams so can’t wait to see game 2.

Where’s the rowdy crowd at tonight…need some smack talk in this thread. It’s the playoffs and you guys are too quiet.

I want the Dodgers to win for a possible Stro’s rematch.

Yeah, the Stro’s may be up 2-0 in the series but it ain’t over yet. We got pounded by Whitesox in a WS so can’t get cocky. Then there is still Tampa or Boston if they make it there.

Where are the Giants/Dodgers fans…they have really good teams. I know both have a few injuries which sucks because you always want to see the best in the playoffs. Both their lineups are loaded with talent and well positioned to win it all. As a longtime Astros fan I only root for the Dodgers to win so we can face them in the WS.

Exactly! They are both REAL good. This is the NLCS in my opinion.

Great game going on in Boston.

Chicago crowd is rough tonight.
Embrace the hate!!!

Go Stro’s!!!

I am pulling for Tampa….that one guy on the Red Sox has been on fire…..I wouldn’t want to face him if I were the Astros.

Tampa got robbed a run. I get calling the hit a double but the runner on base should have been allowed to score. If the ball stayed in play there was not a play at the plate. Interesting scenario for sure.

And there you go….that call could cost Tampa the series. This will be discussed for a long time.

The only argument that it may not have mattered is Tampa may have only scored one run…Boston hit a 2 run homer so there you go.

Great game though!

A 4 run lead is nothing when it’s early….good teams can come back. That’s why I don’t get cocky…. The Stro’s have already showed they are for real and trying to close it out. Chicago is gonna have to work for it if they want to win. The Astros are not gonna lie down and give it to them. This game is getting good!

And there is no tomorrow for Chicago….they will pull out all the stops to live for tomorrow. Anybody that can pitch to win the game is going in for the Sox.

2 outs with runners on…..that’s where the Stro’s hurt ya! There is just no soft spot in the line up.

Altuve, Bregman, Brantley, Alvarez, oh…then you have Tucker, Yuli, Correa…..pitchers just don’t get a break. We wear pitchers down eventually.

Now we have a game! It’s all on Dusty to make the right decisions to minimize the damage.

Greinke coming in….will be interesting to see how he does as a reliever.

Yeah…crazy play. I would say the runner “leaned” into that one LOL! It is what it is.

And it’s only the 4th inning. Greinke just needs to settle in and end this inning. If they can come out of this down 3-4 runs they could still come back.

Only down 3 but it could be worse. Greinke is pitching his ass off. The good thing is we know Greinke can go 3-5 innings unless he gets rattled. Really don’t want to see him go that long so he is rested if we can close this out.

They earned that win for sure. After it was tied up they blew it open and took control.

Glad you enjoyed it Chisox. Too bad we had a rain delay as this was getting good.

This is so 3 years ago. Get over it and move on. It happened. It’s fine if you want to hate the ASTROS for it. But get off your high horse and wake up to the truth. Quit acting like it’s the only reason they won. It’s far from it. The Astros plain flat have a good team and the stats don’t lie. You don’t hear me complaining that there are other teams that did it and weren’t investigated/punished. There were plenty of other players/teams stealing signs. And let’s get to the actual rule that was broken…..teams ARE allowed to steal signs. You just can’t use any electronic aids/devices to do it. If you can pick up on it with your eyes it’s completely legal. You can even communicate it to another player but you can’t be obvious about it. The Astros took it too far and got got. Simple as that. You also have to realize this was exposed 1-2 years after the fact. MLB investigated and I am sure what they realized is this goes further than what they wanted to look into. Many players have moved to new teams so it gets messy trying to suspend players and hurt teams that had nothing to do with it when the player did it while playing for another team. Pretty much MLB has made it clear for all teams to Knock it off. Harsh and swift penalties moving forward. And be realistic about how much of an advantage sign stealing is…..if you are a bad hitter it probably doesn’t help you that much. If you are a good/great hitter it may help determine if you plan to swing or not. Batters have a split second to commit to a swing or sit back on a pitch. Even if you know what pitch is coming you still have to hit it.

And you want to start comparing baseball to football…let’s don’t because football has some lopsided penalty rules. It’s clear they want the passing/high scoring games to happen. Spotting the ball at the foul for PI is completely ridiculous. How about a 10 yard penalty and a first down. If a player has 2 PI’s in a game they are ejected and have to sit out the next game. That would make passing plays a little cleaner. The offense has way too much of an advantage in today’s game IMO. Pro sports are all about the money. They are all tainted in different ways. MLB introduced a “new” ball a couple years ago as an example….why did they do that? What was wrong with the old ball….well chicks dig the long ball.

End of rant. Let’s live in the present and enjoy these playoffs.

You get it. It’s in the past. Let’s talk about the games happening today.

There is still 3 innings left and anything can happen.

But apparently we have beaten the Boos out of the White Sox fans…not a single boo when we scored that last run….just dead silence. I could actually hear the cheers from a few Astros fans that are there.

I beg to differ. The Astros were THAT GOOD and didn’t need to do it in 2017. It was just dumb to do what they did as they were ABSOLUTELY good enough to win it all without stealing signs. I am 100% certain they were not stealing signs last year and were one game away from the WS. This year they are one win away from going to the ALCS series….still have any doubts the Astros are a good team? You don’t have to like it but these are the facts.

As far as the Dodgers spending $200 mil who cares. Any team can BUY a WS if you spend enough. But no guarantee you will get there every year. The Yankees have been doing that for years….buying star players every year. Sometimes it works and sometimes doesn’t.

As a Houston fan I am nervous LOL! Our teams are known to find ways to lose. It would be an epic collapse if they lost.

The White Sox just look defeated already. They kicked our ass in a WS so we know how it feels. And that was just a complete fluke we made it to the WS. We were never a real contender that year.

Hold on….there were some players that did not participate in the sign stealing. That is a fact. So yeah…you can say it was a few bad apples. Go do your homework on exactly who participated. There were some that felt uncomfortable with it and didn’t do it. So you want to call them guilty by association go ahead. As an organization they had a chance to stop it but didn’t.

There are players from other teams that have clearly stated they knew of sign stealing by other teams/players. MLB shut down the investigation and left it where they did……

Now that IS funny! Should be a good series.

Do or die games for Brewers and the Dodgers….

The Brewers caught a break…..what say ye….catch or no catch?

I agree….but they said it can’t be reviewed so that’s why they didn’t overturn it. I get you can’t review every pitch but any play that can be an out or score should be reviewable….don’t understand why this one isn’t. All this technology and we still can’t get it right.

These last guys calling the Houston/Chicago series were ok but just a couple of Chuckle Heads laughing at their bad jokes…Hoping they don’t send us the Buck LOL!

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Yeah…Braves are better than I thought. Was pulling for the Brewers because….well how can you not like Bob Ueker (and beer) LOL!!! Seriously the Brewers have some good players and have been in the hunt for a couple years.

One of your pitchers tipped his pitches and we lit him up…..so that’s on your pitcher.

Yep….those are the facts and basic details of what they did. If you dig further there are more details but MLB has not released those…pretty much they did damage control mode. Punished what they felt they could without impacting more teams/players but put the league on notice to stop it. All anyone wants is a fair and clean game and that is how it should be. The Astros were arrogant and took it too far with electronic devices…..this is a dead horse. There will always be those that say they are still doing it now and that is something the Astros and the players involved will have to live with.

MLB is monitoring very closely I am pretty sure….look at how they are checking pitchers very frequently. The funny thing on that is many batters have said they would prefer pitchers to doctor the ball so they have more ball control. Makes sense if you had 80-100mph balls thrown towards you day in and day out.

Money/betting already ruined the game. Really all pro sports. We would all love to believe pro sports are played fairly by teams/players but that just is not the case unfortunately. What’s worse is when a league knows or believes their could be cheating/breaking of rules and sits on it until they are forced to investigate or do something about it. Steroid era of baseball is good example. Took MLB a while to put an end to it when they knew players were juicing.

College football is changing as we speak now that players can get paid…will see how that all shakes out. Truth is we probably don’t want to know all the dirty things that have happened in pro sports. It makes them as relevant as pro wrestling. Good entertainment with amazing athletes.

Yeah, can’t wait for this series to start. Injuries are part of the game. Hopefully he can rest and pitch a few innings if needed. Just don’t want to make it a severe injury by pitching him if he shouldn’t. A player will always say they can go so they may have to shut him down for his own good.

I never wish for injuries as you always want to see the best players face each other.

And go Dodgers!

Would only be fitting for a rematch with the Stro’s …..but there is still work to do if it’s to happen.

Cool story! Pitchers have always been the center of controversy. Some got caught and others didn’t. Same with corked bats. One I remember was with Billy Hatcher and yes he was with the Astros at time LOL! It was during a game and he hit a ball and the bat broke and you could clearly see it was a corked bat. He claimed it was a “practice” bat and not sure how it got mixed up for game use if I remember correctly. Why would you use a corked bat for practice….not buying that one.

And of course there’s the whole Roger Clemens steroid debate….it was the steroid era….at his age if you could recover and pitch like that with steroids or HGH why wouldn’t you do it…..my guess is he did it. No player wants their career to end. Some would do anything to play a few more years before giving it up.

It’s all good! It’s only sports and fans are gonna be fans. I don’t take it personally and hope others don’t either. Rivalries are good and it makes it fun. But it can all be taken a little too far at times.

Players, teams, coaches, owners and fans all do dumb things that make us all say what the hell where they thinking…..it keeps us entertained and why watch.

They may have been banging trash cans but I believe it is possible there was a tell that may have been picked up on. Yu Darvish had an earlier game that year I believe (not against the Astros) where he did tip pitches. It’s really hard to say 100%.

Regardless pitchers have the hardest job. Besides pitching they control the tempo, have to manage base runners, make infield plays, and a ton of other things. A mistake in any of these areas can be the difference between winning or losing a game. Some days they have it and some days they don’t. All pitchers go through that. Even Ace pitchers have days they are just off.

You are right! Game 5 of a playoffs…..as good as it gets and with 2 of the best teams.

I really am torn on AL rules or NL rules. A part of me likes the NL because pitchers have to bat….but most pitchers are not good hitters so you have poor quality at bats. It adds a challenge to manage that hole in the lineup. But at the same time once they put in a reliever they often pinch hit and put in another pitcher anyway so it’s not like it affects the whole game all the time, it really depends when they change pitchers and how often to avoid a pitcher batting. That is part of the strategy. I guess I tend to lean to the AL rules because nobody wants to see pitchers that generally are not good hitters. I would rather see good hitters. I think that adds a challenge for the AL as you can’t count on a pitcher being an easy out. Pitch count can also be greatly affected as you have a chance for a solid hitter to drive the pitch count up earlier in games. There are trade offs either way and has been debated plenty….I think MLB likes it that way to keep the debate of which league is better/harder.

But I am glad they implemented the 3 batter rule for pitchers. Too many pitching changes and it slowed the game down. Games are still long.

I think that is just for the playoffs they got rid of it. I get the point of the rule but that is too much of an advantage. I think that’s the beauty of baseball is going to extra innings.

Good!!!

Go Dodgers!!!

Either the hitters for both teams are hung over or the pitchers are on point today… scoreless into the 5th. It’s anybody’s game at this point.

Yeah, losing McCullers is gonna hurt. Greinke can’t go more than a couple innings so no way he gets moved to a starter if you are expecting 4-5 innings. There was a good interview with him and you can tell by what he said that he can’t go for long any more. Sucks cause he has tons of experience. He is not a flame thrower but an effective pitcher over his career.

We really don’t know the extent of McCullers soreness/injury. Will have to see if others can step up. The last few years have been amazing with some Ace pitchers but when you don’t have that you realize how special those players are. I have said pitching is gonna be our weakness. I don’t think they made enough moves to shore it up before the trade deadline…..we will soon find out.

Agree with you if they have a bullpen game which is likely to happen. We don’t have depth for starting pitchers so will be interesting to see what they do.

Here we go! Stro’s need to hit early and often.

What a game! Stranded runners by both teams all night long…..either could have broken this game wide open. Both teams going to the bullpen early. Astros needed this one.

And there you have it…the weak starting pitching of the Astros. It’s been a problem all season. 2 grand salami’s given up by the second inning. We cut the lead by 3 so only down by 6. Astros are capable of making that up but odds are slim.

Pitching will most likely be the deciding factor of who wins this series.

That’s a fact…all the hype has been for the top teams. Atlanta has played well. If they can get a 2 game advantage it could be their time.

Damn….they just showed a replay of Pujols knocking one deep off of Brad Lidge. That brings back some memories. Pujols was the Astros killer….he beat our pitchers up back in the day. Dude was a BEAST!

Lidge was good but he lost his confidence here in Houston……he went to Philly I believe and think he had a perfect season. Was happy for him when that happened.

Interesting it’s a 2-2 score. Are we sure this isn’t a replay of yesterday’s game?

Our bats are not the problem…it’s our pitching and trash cans don’t help with that. When you give up 2 grand slams in one game and follow it up the next game giving up another grand slam putting yourself in a 6-0 hole that early it’s tough to make that up….especially against a good team.

At this point I really question Dusty Baker…I get that he didn’t want to change pitchers so early but you can’t put your team in that big of a hole. This is the playoffs and you have to play every game like it’s the last game. Playing for tomorrow almost never works. He is doing the best he can with what they have I suppose.

Wow! I thought last nights Astros game was good but Valdez has pitched a hell of a game to keep the Astros in this series. Still too early celebrate….

That’s a fact….Dodgers showing some signs of life….will see if they can do it again.

I don’t blame Gerrit Cole getting paid and I am sure it’s a good gig if you can get it.

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Funny how when the Dodgers are about to be sent home packing they start hitting home runs…let’s search their dug out while we’re at it. And the Astros actually didn’t hit that many home runs….Correa didn’t do ANYTHING in that last game…we got A LOT of good hits mostly which put runners on base. A couple home runs sure but not like your boy last night. And don’t start crying about injuries on your team. Astros have had to overcome injuries too.

You obviously are not a fan of baseball in general…..you know MLB is watching the Astros like a hawk. Why can’t you accept the Astros really are that good. Either move on or go cry and pout with your cry baby buddy Joe Kelly……enough already so GTFO with the 2017 crap. It’s over and done with.

LMAO!!!

Never have I said they didn’t. But they aren’t now. Quit living in the past. Get over it and move on. We are on to 2021. Why can’t you accept the Astros are good team currently like everyone else…doesn’t mean you have to like them and that is fine. Quit whining and let’s see how this plays out for the final 4 teams. It ain’t over for any team yet.

Exactly! And let’s not let politics creep into sports. It spoils good entertainment/rivalries etc. We need at least one thing we can rib each other about and still be friends and buy each other rounds of drinks!

Would like that to happen as well….just so maybe there can be some closure to 2017 one way or another and move on…..it’s dead horse….we need another scandal so there is something else discuss instead of that LOL!

And that’s what it feels like a lot of people can’t accept…the Astros are definitively a GOOD team. They have faults like any other team but you can’t argue the results they put up.

And why shouldn’t we have a say…it’s 2021….2017 is done and over..we are talking about today. Sorry we kicked your ass FAIR AND SQUARE. Accept it. If it was the 2017 Astros then a different story….quit trying to convince yourself and others this is the 2017 Astros….IT’s NOT!!! Like I said if you want to hate the 2017 Astros go for it. But quit acting like THE CURRENT team is the 2017 situation. The only point I have ever made is that sign stealing is nothing new…..in fact it isn’t against the rules as long as you are not using any electronic/video aids meaning if you can pick it up with your eyes from what you see on the field you are free to do it. EVERY TEAM does this. It’s within the rules so absolutely they all do it.

I guess what we really need (Don’t steal my idea) is a TRUE documentary from past players telling all the dirty things that have gone on in baseball to shut everyone up…..I mean from sex in the club house to drugs etc……we would all be shocked to know what has gone on. You do realize there is the rules…….and then there has always been the “players rules”. MLB has allowed that to go on for over a century and it has not changed. That applies to on and off the field activities meaning players don’t rat each other out without consequences……That has been accepted as “that’s just baseball “. The league has always allowed other teams to punish others for minor rules infractions and that’s the end of it. MLB only steps in when they have to.

End of rant. Go Stro’s!!!

Garcia had a good outing. We need that for our pitching staff. Close game so far. Time for the bats to seal the deal if they can.

Yeah..and their manager was part of the 2017 Astros and one of the KEY people of the sign stealing.