I had a 2009 Sienna for 8 years, and was planning on buying that or the Honda you mentioned above. Drove both, barely an improvement on my 09 which honestly was way behind the times then. Test drove the Pacifica, it was clearly superior technology wise compared to the other two. It wasn't even close. Reliability long term I don't know, but I do know though that if reliability wasn't a factor it clearly stomps on the other two (looks better, better electronics, drives better, stow and go seating, etc). My Toyota wasn't all that reliable in the electric department, so who knows how it will compare. I don't think I would go back to a Toyota or Honda unless this thing fall apart...the thing is though, it's so much cheaper (a few grand) for the same features that if it does end up needing stuff we should have plenty of savings to cover it.

Well unless Honda or Toyota has made any significant changes in the past two years, they're going to look pretty bare compared to the Pacifica. I don't know if you have kids or not, but the dual screen video is pretty awesome.

Same thing with my Toyota, had 155k miles but lots of little issues over 7 years. Always ran, but that was about it. It was my first (and only) Toyota. Like I get that it's dependable, but if I look back at my history of cars that got to 150k miles, it had more problems for me than:

87 ford pickup
89 ford probe
2001 eclipse
1996 grand prix
2006 grand prix

The only one it beat was my 93 ford probe that had been in an accident that wasn't disclosed when I bought it. And it had less features than most of those cars for it's time, so it should have been more reliable but it really wasn't. Ironically the resale value was higher on it than all of those other cars. So count me as one who doesn't totally get it, maybe the engine will run to 300k miles, but not sure if that really matters if you're bored to death driving it over all those miles.

My 2017 Pacifica through 36k miles has had less problems than my 09 Sienna for what it's worth.

What is the stop/start thing? I have a 2017 touring plus and I'm not familiar with that feature. Is that on the limited or something?