My only warning would be to look into a VCMuzzler if you get the Honda. Since 2008 they have been prone to having excessive oil consumption problems and in some cases killing engines that ran dry with no check engine light coming on for the oil when it got low. Odyssey with the problem can use a quart or more every 1000 miles, which Honda tried to say is "normal" - and they got sued for it and settled, paying for repairs on many affected Odysseys, but not all.

A quick check of Honda forums shows there are still complaints about excessive oil consumption. The VCMuzzler seems to make it about 75% better which is a huge improvement.

Talking to the BAR in CA, it seems that Toyota has similar problems, but not as severe. In both cases it's caused by rings on the pistons to reduce friction and improve fuel economy that are letting oil seep, plus software that turns off cylinders that aren't needed in highway driving.

Toyotas have the same issue, but not to the same degree. Hondas was bad enough for a class action lawsuit, so I'm pretty confident it wasn't internet bitching alone. Also, the fact that the guy at the CA BAR was intimately familiar with the problem and causes and mentioned Toyota has the issue in degrees, too means it's not plain internet bitching, either. As long as you're aware...

Of the two, I'd still recommend the Odyssey as it's the ultimate pin-hauler (2 pins plus a pin dolly, with room to spare), but I would definitely put the device on that disables the VCM, which seems to delay or prevent the oil consumption issue if the one you get (lottery, essentially) is susceptible to it. A little insurance goes a long way. We've had two Odysseys. Our 2000 model was perfection. Our 2008 has been one issue after another its whole life. Probably will still get a 2019 or 2020 Odyssey (hoping the Japanese hybrid comes here), though.

1 Quart per 5k miles is great. If you have the issue you're using a quart every 1000-2000 miles and Honda's response (before the lawsuit) was that was "normal".

Kia body metal is paper thin. The smallest impact becomes a big expense. I'd never own a Kia.

Plus, if you buy used you're missing out on all the electric/hybrid incentives, to the tune if about $10k in CA between Federal/State/Local. That alone makes new a better deal than used. Sucks up all the initial depreciation in advance.

This is the seller:
https://www.ubersox.net/

Touring-L and Touring Plus in the 27k-31k range.

Pacifica is a very impressive van. Honda and Toyota will both be playing catch-up since the Pacifica has become pretty popular as a result. If you go the hybrid, the federal (and possibly state and local) renewable energy car rebates and incentives will offset some of the extra depreciation a Chrysler has over a Toyota or Honda.

Pretty sure our Volt does that. Doesn't bother me at all.

How is it for pinhauling? Can it do two pins (in a "T" formation) and have room for a dolly on the side of the pin in back?

This is not true anymore. 2000 Honda? Yes. Now? No.

Lots of finish issues. The handles are plastic on the doors and the paint starts to rub off on the driver's side from use after about 5-6 years. The oil consumption issue. The widespread A/C relay problem (We've had two blow now. It's a $4 part, but a PITA when it happens. I carry one in my glove box for the next time because this issue kills your battery, too). Everyone's cutting corners now. It's just that Honda's standard was so high, they're still pretty good. But they're nowhere close to where they used to be for quality and reliability.

That sounds like a BIG problem. When/how did you discover that?

Ford is a MESS in the digital age. Their Microsoft in-car system in their newer cars was so broken they actually forced it to reboot every night because they couldn't clean up the memory leaks that kept causing it to crash while driving and doing weird things randomly during the day like maxing out your stereo volume or turning your heat on full blast by itself as a result. They eventually changed vendors to BLACKBERRY to get away from Microsoft. A blast from the past.

I would never have another Ford. Period.

It's all a stopgap until almost everything (everything?) is electric. Kind of like when cars sucked REAL BAD in the late 1970's into the early 80's because they were just starting to deal with EPA regulations and didn't have good tech in place to meet the goals. It all smoothed out in the late 1980's into the 1990s, and we're just now hitting another wall on tech/fuel economy for gas engines, one I don't think they'll get past. So, electric motors make the most sense moving forward - they're win/win for everyone except dealer service departments since they need almost no maintenance. First we'll have more hybrids, then transition to all electrics. Some strong improvements in battery tech are just about to hit the mainstream that will take it all to the next level and leave L-ion behind.

Out the door price?

Best deal I ever got was on a new Odyssey right after the crash of 2008. NO ONE was selling anything and they were desperate to get rid of inventory after months of no sales. We got a loaded $38k Odyssey for $27k out the door with tax, license and everything. I'll likely never get a deal that good again.

So tempting, but I'm trying very hard to hold out for the Hybrid Odyssey next year...

What was your out the door on it? Is that the EX Navi+Rear Entertainment?