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2017. The beginning of the end for Stern...April 1st is over.

By Luckydogg420

7 years ago


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    #25 7 years ago

    Stern has a lineup coming and the ability to deliver the at price that others can't. 2017 is likely to be Stern's best year ever.

    #75 7 years ago
    Quoted from pinlink:

    From George Gomez himself. Not saying it is true, but that is certainly what Stern claims. I don't find it hard to believe though.

    When people started breaking down what those numbers would actually mean, it didn't add up. They could definitely have 80% of the market though. Stern has a near monopoly, even with all the newcomers popping up.

    Here's the thing to really consider though. Stern is selling more than ever, and 2017 should continue that trend; but they are losing some marketshare. JJP is growing, Spooky is on solid footing, Multimorphic is ready to roll, and other companies are making serious progress at becoming a viable option. Due to an expanded market, Stern is selling more, but they've gone from 100% of market down to something noticeably smaller.

    If the market ever contracts, that loss of marketshare will be more problematic, but if pinball stays this hot, there's room for everybody to do well.

    #81 7 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Naturally, I see it differently.
    if the market contracts, Stern will be the only survivor, just like before. They are likely the only company that is poised to survive a crash across the board. And they'll sell less pins and be back to 100 percent market share, just like the 2000s.
    It's time for them to give up on the home model idea though. They aren't selling any of those things.

    I think that JJP is going to be ok if things contract. They've carved out a good share of the market. If Dialed In is a major hit, and the next game does well, they've managed to shift a lot of dollars and loyalty their way. That's a couple of big ifs, especially at their asking price, but they have done a great job at solidifying themselves.

    I think Spooky will stick around too. When the wait list for their games is double their production number, they're in a good spot. Add in the contract work that they do, I think it would be tough to run them out of the industry.

    The other companies...yeah, they're on more shaky ground.

    #94 7 years ago
    Quoted from Astropin:

    I do not see DI being a major hit. Oh it might be popular with pinheads but we don't make "homeruns". In order to be a homerun game it has to be a big hit on location. I can't see DI ever being a big hit on route. Alien...yes. Theme is huge for location success....Alien has it, DI does not.

    DI is a MUCH better game though. The theme will always draw in the first quarter drop, but the gameplay will dictate every one after.

    DI is not priced for location success, however. They'll have some out there, because we do see WoZ and TH in the wild, but at the extra cost, I don't see it being nearly as common. It has a lot of potential in the home market though. It will outsell Alien simply because Heighway doesn't have the ability to scale up to what JJP can do.

    Both games have pretty big limiting factors for huge sales numbers, but JJP has a much better path for their game being a financial success. Neither one has the potential of an average Stern release at this point though.

    #102 7 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    No they don't.
    Today's millenial is tomorrow's old white guy. Not too many people here had big collections of pinball machines in their 20s (except me of course).

    I was a double digit collector in my 20s, but games were also less than half the price that they are now. In one day I got SM, AFM, and WCS all in excellent condition...all for about the price of just what SMVE goes for now. It's absolutely crazy what has happened with pricing.

    #125 7 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    I can't imagine anybody playing one game of Aerosmith and saying "wow that sucks balls and is just like every other Stern game. I'm gonna go play Twilight Zone for the 5000th time."
    Nobody's buying it.

    The first time I played Aerosmith it felt like I had played it already though. The samey nature of the designs (particularly Borg's designs) are making it much harder to justify the cost of entry. Aerosmith is a literal remix of Borg's games with nothing new brought to the table. Not a bad game, but I honestly felt like I had played it many times before right from the get go. So if the new games are going to feel run of the mill, might as well lean on the classics at half the cost.

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