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1987 Data East Laser War Topper?

By LesManley

9 years ago


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Post #65 Video of original topper working Posted by aberdeentp (6 years ago)

Post #67 Clyde Lyte innards (80 LED version) Posted by ForceFlow (6 years ago)

Post #71 Clyde Lyte innards (20 LED version) Posted by ForceFlow (5 years ago)

Post #77 Possible 20-LED Clyde Lyte schematics Posted by HHaase (5 years ago)

Post #78 Clyde Lyte user manuals Posted by ForceFlow (5 years ago)

Post #156 Video of reproduction topper in operation. Posted by gdonovan (2 years ago)

Post #172 Radio Shack version of "The Lyte" with 20 leds. Posted by gdonovan (2 years ago)


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#40 6 years ago
Quoted from aberdeentp:

I just found this post, I have this topper, a friend found it in the depths of the warehouse of the Game Exchange in Denver, they had it for years but guess they never got a game to put it on. So he negotiated a price for me and it's on my Laser War. I doubt there is enough interest to warrant a reproduction but if anyone decides to I can try to help anyway I can. It does work, and does all kinds of tricks, I imagine it would be better in a darkened room.

Wow, nice!

Can you take photos inside and out to show how it was built, and a video showing it working?

I'd really enjoy to see this documented since it has never been documented before.

#50 6 years ago

I've been trying to dig up a patent for this, but haven't had much luck.

The company name is Clyde Industries America Inc. (or Clyde Industries Ltd). The label on the "The Lyte" says "patent pending", but doesn't list a number. I've managed to find photos for a few labels, but none list a patent number.

The trademark entry for "The Lyte" gives an interesting description, but there aren't any patents that seem to match any keywords in the right time frame.

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4802:ra1lr4.3.1
https://www.trademarkia.com/the-lyte-73643469.html
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#52 6 years ago

I knew it had "lyte" was associated with it, but until now, I thought it was the manufacturer rather than the product name, as per the comment from Joe Kaminkow on IPDB. It's tough to find something named "lyte" without another piece of identifying information. Clyde combined with Lyte was the key.

Quoted from woody24:

Seems like it shouldn't be that hard to convert it to something that looks like the LaserWar topper.

You would still have to make a vacuform mold for the data east style box, and find some smoked glass to cut to the right shape to fit the box. It looks like the glass is riveted to the case.

There's also what looks like holes on the side (in the laser war flyer), and I'm not sure what those are for.

On IPDB:

The manufacturer flyer shows a trapezoidal backbox topper with a spinning red LED board to create an optical effect. Joe Kaminkow told us that the light itself came in a square black box, approximately 12 by 12 inches, made by a now-defunct company called Lyte. Data East added a custom trapezoidal housing around it for mounting on the backbox using screws. The spinning LED display did not operate in concert with game play. He wasn't sure if it got its power from 12 volts from the output of the sound board or if it had a 110v line cord. Joe said the topper was too expensive and was discontinued during the production run of this game. He guessed about 500 of the earliest machines came with this topper.

So, a few pieces of info in that comment are incorrect at least--the Lyte name, and the number of them made (I keep hearing the number 10 thrown about--not 500).

Also, it seems odd that the device would not be connected to the sound system in some way considering it is a sound visualizer (and that this was the first stereo sound system). I really want to see if @aberdeentp's topper has a cord that would connect to something in the game.

#55 6 years ago
Quoted from lordloss:

The only LYTE on ebay was bought within minutes after the post was made..

Yeah, that was me. I figured it would be better for a pinhead to lay hands on it to potentially have a shot a documenting and reproducing it. It seems like it could be an interesting project to tackle.

#57 6 years ago
Quoted from Clnilsen:

The missing piece here seems to be how the "Lyte" gets a signal from the machine, assuming the off the shelf Lyte is the same as the topper version.

Well, as long as you can grab an unamplified audio signal from somewhere, you should be able to connect it to the lyte's input.

The amplified output to the speakers would probably blow the lyte's board.

#64 6 years ago
Quoted from aberdeentp:

tomorrow my goal is to get some pictures taken and loaded, but I'm an old 8 bit lo fi type, think basic saw wave, and never posted a video on you tube or anywhere, so once I shoot a video with my phone don't know how to upload it.

If you install the youtube app on your phone, it should make the process fairly straight forward.

#66 6 years ago

Thanks for posting--that looks cool. Never thought I'd see one of those in action.

I'm surprised that it's connected to the amplified output. I wonder if they did anything special inside the unit to account for that.

#67 6 years ago

I got my lyte box today. It was missing the power adapter, so I wasn't able to power it up. But, I did take it apart to see what was inside.

Nothing too surprising, and more or less what I was expecting to see since most of the mystery was revealed in other photos of the spinning LED board.

There are two boards in the unit. The board inside has the motor, takes power input, signal input, and the sensitivity adjustment. The board with the LEDs is mounted on a motor, and there are 3 contacts on the shaft that bring connections between the two boards.

The one downside is that the board with the LEDs was painted, so none of the part numbers/specs of the components are visible. It might be difficult to remove the paint without harming the ink for the letters & numbers.
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#71 5 years ago

I ended up finding another one, and this one appears to be a later version than the one I posted about earlier. It has significantly less circuitry & components than the original one, so they simplified the device quite a bit.

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#78 5 years ago

I managed to recently acquire two versions of the very elusive Cylde Lyte owner's manual.

I scanned them in, and here they are. One is undated, the other is dated 1988.

Clyde Lyte Owner's Manual (1988).pdfClyde Lyte Owner's Manual (1988).pdfClyde Lyte Owner's Manual (undated).pdfClyde Lyte Owner's Manual (undated).pdf
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#82 3 years ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

Forceflow had a Lyte unit that measured 11.5" x 11.5" x 3.5" while Clyde indicated in a flyer they were 12 x 12 x 3.

I'm guessing they discarded the outer wooden box and did their own mount, which would have made the topper shell a bit smaller. Then they probably used a trapezoid-shaped piece of smoked plastic and riveted it to the plastic topper's shell.

#86 3 years ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

Going over the available images I need to be cautious when trying to come up with anything definitive. The two toppers shown are slightly different.

I would ignore the flyer and just focus on actual photos of the topper. It's not uncommon for prototype features to appear in the flyers, or for an artist to mock something up. They are promotional materials and not always reflective of what the final version of the game ends up to be.

For one thing, the Lyte does not actually display concentric circles like in the flyer. When it's receiving no audio input, there's only one circle visible.

#88 3 years ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

Caused by shooting film with a longer exposure time I'm sure.

Maybe--seems like an odd choice and difficult photo to take, though. I would've tried to capture an active waveform. Or maybe it was just painted into the flyer.

#94 3 years ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

Edit: Actually just looking at some vids, you get a circle for a second or two on start and then nothing till the music starts. ForceFlow can you confirm this?

Quoted from ForceFlow:

When it's receiving no audio input, there's only one circle visible.

#97 3 years ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

The video from YouTube posted about clearly shows no circle right before the music starts and when the song ends, hence I thought I'd double check. Sensitivity setting perhaps? Poster does look he had it on low at end of song.

You can see it between some songs and at the end of the video.

#100 3 years ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

Looks like it could be sensitivity related, on your video it looks like the lighting is bumping against the stops more than the first video. Neither here nor there really, could be just a different revision.
I have a reason for following up on this, thanks for chiming in.

The sensitivity adjustment didn't matter. The same thing also appeared when there was no audio source plugged into the Lyte. The behavior was present in 3 different units.

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#108 3 years ago
Quoted from StingRay6:

Hello all! New to the group. Just cleaned out my attic and found 2 of these Lyte LED Audio Visualizers. Only thing is I cant find the AC adapter or audio cable. I remember my father had them hooked up. Would love to see if these things still work. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks friends!
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You can use a 12v 2a power adapter:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Q2E5IXW/

The original adapter was 800ma, so anything above that is fine. 1a and 2a adapters are pretty common and easy to find.

For audio, it's just a mono RCA jack. That can be adapted to 1/8" (standard size on computers) or 1/4" (standard size on audio equipment) audio jacks.

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