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1979 Gottlieb Hulk - Sound Issue

By Zero-One

7 years ago


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#2 7 years ago

Check the sound board and driver board for cracked solder joints.

Make sure the edge connectors are clean--they should be shiny, not dull (use a pink rubber eraser to clean them)

#7 7 years ago
Quoted from Zero-One:

You said to replace the connector...is there a good source for parts?

He means repin the connectors. You can usually reuse the plastic housings.

If the game is working fine, you may not need to do that, but it can be a source of issues of you are having problems.

#10 7 years ago
Quoted from konghusker:

If you don't have the same pins, then look at pinball resource and also Marco specialties online. Both are great resources gottlieb machines. Glad you got it working

I usually head for greatplainselectronics.com, bigdaddy-enterprises.com, mouser.com, digikey.com, and a few other places for connectors, pins, and electronics components. Marco & PBR tend to be more expensive when it comes to components.

#11 7 years ago
Quoted from Zero-One:

I see. Thanks for the clarification ForceFlow. There is a wire that pulled out of another connector that controls the button to add credits that I need to re-pin also. I work at a Chevrolet dealer and was going to take the harness to the shop to see if we have the correct terminal in our kit.

I'm guessing what you're looking for might be a quick disconnect terminal like these:

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There's a brass or phosphor bronze quick disconnect terminal that is a good match to the original terminals--I'll try to grab the part number later tonight.

Using an automotive connector with a bright color on the insulation just looks odd to me in an older game.

#21 7 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

I'm guessing what you're looking for might be a quick disconnect terminal like these:

There's a brass or phosphor bronze quick disconnect terminal that is a good match to the original terminals--I'll try to grab the part number later tonight.
Using an automotive connector with a bright color on the insulation just looks odd to me in an older game.

Whoops, It seems I got distracted and forgot to follow-up earlier, so here it goes:

quick disconnect terminal .205" 18-22awg Part# 42198-1

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/42198-1/A111180CT-ND/4142566

This is what will match the quick disconnect terminals in a system 1 game.

#23 7 years ago
Quoted from Zero-One:

I have cleaned all of the edge connectors and terminals but the sound still drops out. It does come back right away if you press the button and start a new game. I dont think its a connection issue if starting a new game corrects it.

It doesn't sound like a connector issue to me either.

Does all sound appear to drop out, or just certain ones?

Does it gradually fade out, cut out suddenly, start getting garbled before cutting out in some way, or something else?

Can you post a video of what's happening as the sound cuts out?

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#30 7 years ago

Pull the MPU and check for cracked solder joints on the back.

I would also take a look at the ROM chip legs for tarnish/corrosion and the socket to make sure it makes contact with all the legs.

#32 7 years ago
Quoted from Zero-One:

By MPU do you mean the main "CPU" control board in the light box?

Yes, the main board in the backbox. Some people use the terms interchangeably. However, "CPU" usually refers to the actual processor chip on the board.

#34 7 years ago

That power supply should really be refurbished or replaced. Those diodes that are sticking off the board make me nervous.

As for the MPU, it looks like the two chips (Z8 and Z28) in the lower left were hit with alkaline, but not replaced. The first thing I would do is replace anything with corrosion on it. Z8 interacts with the CPU a little bit, so I might suspect there could be something going wrong there.

http://www.pinrepair.com/sys1/#tools

But, if you'd rather just replace the board and not deal with it, that's fine too. Just let someone else have the old MPU if you don't want to keep it--they can sometimes be repaired, the ROM chip can reused to fix other games, or sometimes those spider chips can be used to fix other boards. I pick up boards like this all the time.

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#57 7 years ago
Quoted from Zero-One:

At $2.60 a "pop" lets hope it reveals something soon lol.

$2.60 per fuse? Good grief, where are you getting your fuses?

Quoted from Zero-One:

BUT......I'm embarrassed to say (I swear I checked this) the 1 amp Primary fuse was blown. All of the other fuses tested ok,.

http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=532&picno=43310&zoom=1

There are no 1 amp fuses on the transformer panel.

The primary fuse is a 5 amp slow-blow fuse. Using a 1 amp fuse there instead will blow every time.

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#58 7 years ago

Oh, I almost forgot--do you have the additional fuse mods installed? One of those is 1 amp.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gottlieb-system-1-small-transformer-issues#post-2392905

#60 7 years ago

I see on clay's site, it's labeled as "primary fuse".

http://www.pinrepair.com/sys1/#addfuses

Ok, so that fuse protects the transformer from input voltage, but it's likely that something is going wrong on the power supply, causing it to draw too much and/or short the voltages.

Can you post some photos of your power supply?

[edit]: Nevermind, I see that you posted some photos on page 1. Yeah, that power supply is a mess. Either refurbish it with new parts, or replace it with an after-market board.

http://pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Gottlieb_System_1#Recommended_Power_Supply_Updates_.26_Repairs

[edit2]: Nevermind again, lol. I see that you said you replaced the power supply and MPU. What exactly did you use to replace the power supply? There are multiple people creating these power supplies. GPE's power supply has been out of stock for a long time, so it may actually be someone else's that just looks like GPE's design.

#61 7 years ago

Another thing I thought of--is the A2-J1 power connector plugged in the correct way? It's easily reversible, and it can cause problems/damage if it's plugged in the wrong way.

http://pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Gottlieb_System_1#The_Upside_Down_A2J1_Power_Supply_Connection

#63 7 years ago

On the power supply, disconnect J2 and J3, and try powering up the game then and see if the power supply still blows.

#65 7 years ago

The fuses under the playfield are for the solenoids. You can ignore them for the moment.

Disconnect the power supply completely and see what happens.

If the fuse still blows, there's definately a problem with the transformer panel.

If it doesn't blow, the issue may be with the wires or voltages feeding into the power supply, or something wrong with the power supply itself--possibly one of the rectifier diodes.

#67 7 years ago
Quoted from Zero-One:

The fuse does NOT blow with the power supply completely unhooked.

Ok, check the voltages on the J1 connector.

Check all the diodes on the power supply with your multimeter.

If you recently bought it, maybe contact the supplier, and explain that the primary fuse on the transformer when just the power supply is connected. It'd possible a component failed or was installed incorrectly during assembly.

#69 7 years ago

Are you sure they were tested properly? Sometimes it's a little confusing.

http://pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=General#Testing_a_Bridge_Rectifier

I've heard of a few cases where a diode would test ok with a multimeter, but fail while under load, so there's that too.

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