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1978 Gottlieb Dragon sound problem

By dragon55

5 years ago


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#1 5 years ago

1978 Gottlieb system one Dragon sound problem, Only one sound comes from the speaker and it is steady . i replaced the sound board and the same issue exist. the edge board connectors are good,, i followed the wiring to the next connector "Molex" and pulled the green/red wire "100s "sound and the sound stops, pulling out the 10s or the 1000s wires the sound continues.

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#2 5 years ago

Check the right transistor....

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#3 5 years ago

I checked all four transistors and you are correct! the far right transistor" knocker" is failed, the other three test good using a digital multi-meter on diode mode. I will acquire a new transistor and replace the failed one and then report back here as to what i find on solving the sound PROBLEM. Phil,,,,,,,,, attached is photo of where these are on the board box for reference

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#4 5 years ago

After replacing the transistor NTE part# 261 and the associated diode NTE # 519 on the driver board,,. {which are the parts for the Knocker} I put the board back in and checked all edge board connectors.. I still have the same problem with the sound being constant,, no beep or bop sound. as i posted originally a new sound board is in place. anyone got a idea where to go next...???????. attached photos are of the diode i installed "far left one.. and the transistor far right in the other photo

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#5 5 years ago

Let me also add that the knocker coil is not attached to the system, it had burned/stuck long ago and i simply removed it and capped off the two wires. The transistor and diode failed most likely due to the stuck knocker coil. Thank you, Phil

#6 5 years ago

Next step is to replace Z6 (SN7417 or SN7407) on the MPU.

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#7 5 years ago

By the way....
A TIP102 is a good working alternative for the 2N6043 transistor.

#8 5 years ago

Hello, i had to order the sn7417n... i wanted to know should i test all the resistors associated with it ? i would have to unsolder one leg of each to test thanks Phil

#9 5 years ago
Quoted from dragon55:

Hello, i had to order the sn7417n... i wanted to know should i test all the resistors associated with it ? i would have to unsolder one leg of each to test thanks Phil

First cut out Z6.
Leave the resistors in and just compare the readings you get.
I think they should be fine.

#10 5 years ago

ok that makes sense to desolder the z6 "intergrated circut",,,,,,then the associated resistors can be checked at that time since they wont be associated with the IC..... I noticed that the "out hole" is part of that Z6 circuitry, maybe this will also cure the problem i have at the outhole. When a game starts the ball kicks out to the shooter, but after the ball goes out of play it does not auto kick out to the shooter, i have a push button inline with the Blue/Red wire to solenoid and that is how i have been getting the ball to kick out to shooter.

#11 5 years ago

Thank you Inko! I am happy to report that replacing the IC that you mentioned Z6 on the MPU = main control board. its the one to the left in the photo above the A1-J5 board connector.. HOw wonderfull i now have sound, and the out hole delivers the ball as it should and the right vari-target now sets and resets as it should , Thank you out there in the Netherlands my friend.. I have several of the Ics left SN7417n.... If anyone needs one let me know... there is alot going on in that one IC that i replaced.. Phil Indpls Indiana

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#12 5 years ago

As I am working on Tech Charts for the Gottlieb System-1 games, I regular look on the Pinwiki for extra information.
I came across some info about blocking diodes for the transistors you had problems with.
I think that the blown Z6 might be the result of not having blocking diodes on them.
Here is the link to the topic....
http://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Gottlieb_System_1#Installing_Blocking_Diodes_on_the_Early_Driver_Board_Revision
Please read...

#13 5 years ago

Inko, i started a new topic on my high score issue which developed after doing the above repairs. basically its not recording the high score just the most recent one.. i made a new topic just so others will see it too.

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