Hi Pinsiders!

I am new to this forum and fairly new to Pin repair and resto. My ladyfriend asked me if this hobby was a colossal waste of time or a fascinating activity.
I just said Yes!

Anyway, I have been perplexed by the ball kick-out not stopping to kick. The game is new to me and I have been cleaning and spotting some issues using some great on-line resources. I have the Schematics and am learning how to read them. My skills are getting better, but I am not advanced as yet. Previously on start-up the score motor would also not stop running. I adjusted one errant leaf switch on the motor and I cleaned and adjusted the score reels. I found one switch that was supposed to close which wasn't. This seems to have satisfied the score motor.
When I push start, the game resets, however when I place a ball in the kick-out home it kicks the ball out and keeps kicking and flippers don't work. (this game has no plunger to start the game. You have to hit the right flipper button to start the game and launch the ball) I can get it to stop kicking sometimes and play until it hits drains and the kick-out starts running again. Not sure why it stops kicking, but sometimes it just does. I probably need to check the kick-out switch, which I haven't. maybe it is shorting or making poor contact?
The coin door relay keeps twitching too, so I pulled the jones plug to shut it up for now. I am told these issues might not be related, but?
I went thru the ball count stepper and the extra game reel. Things work well. Game is in great shape. I haven't ventured into the A/S relay bank (I think those are the small relays with tiny throw which get persnickety). Fuses OK. Like I said, game plays correctly except for what I mention.

Thoughts on where to look next?

Thanks,
James

Thanks for your ideas. I checked the switch and it functions fine. Steppers seem to function fine. I have done a light cleaning and teflon lube to the faces and they seem to be in good order. I am thinking it might be a relay, but that is new ground for me. Haven't fiddled with those critters yet.

The O relay is under the tipped up play field so it's hard to get to. I guess I will have to disconnect the playfield and remove for full access to the relay? I was able to look in and see that, when I push on the white plastic slotted plate of that relay, all switches open which are normally closed and vice versa. This prolly isn't the only diagnostic, but if we know the game eventually does 'start', then can't we assume the config is right?

The funny thing is, the kickout will stop after a minute or two and the game will be ready to play, so either something is sticky or a contact is not solid.

Does anyone know of a link to a vid which shows the operation of a relay and it's corresponding schematic?

Thx,
James

I have a few other issues and questions:

1. The coin mech front has three lamps. The middle socket is not used on this game. The other two sockets have a red plastic sleeve. Is this meant to be positioned over the bulb to cast a red glow thru the 25C plate or is it meant to protect the base of the socket and happens to be red?

2. On the Ball Count Stepper, there is a missing jumper from two mushroom head pins. You can see the loose wire at the base of the cab. I assume I need to solder a new jumper wire between these two, right? (I clipped a jumper on it and it did not affect my main kickout issue)

3. The Vari-Targets will not extend to the last position, the Home Run. There might be too much spring tension, yet the vari-targets are also sticky in resetting themselves. They move freely, so I am confused what to do to allow them to extend to the back easier, but also spring back nicely. I have been searching for a vid on this. Any ideas?

Thanks,
James

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Hi Mark,

The Vari-Target does go all the way back, with a finger. And the mechanism seems to move freely and unstuckily (yup, that's a real word). I even tefloned the stepper contacts. Spring won't cooperate going either direction. maybe I should replace the spring? Come to think, if it won't spring back after releasing the coil, then maybe there is gunk in the mechanism I can't see. maybe I take it all apart and be SURE it is moving as freely as possible.

Is there a tension reference as to how much force should be required to move the target to Home Run? None of the vids I have seen so far address this issue

Thx guys

Jason-Yea, I love this contraptions, so I see it as time well spent preserving history and having fun!