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1965 CC Preview Ball Bowler Restoration

By VegasMike

8 years ago


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    #51 8 years ago

    Inside of the coin box. The wiring is a mess in there, but I didn't want to bend the wires any more than necessary.

    There is a coin mech and harness assembly with switch, two plunge buttons (game select and extended play), and a coin return button.

    I re-wired it so that the extended play button acts as the coin credit, and vice versa. I hope it all works when I finally fire it up. I took pictures and labeled the wiring before I disconnected it, and worked backwards to re-connect. There is a red wire still in the box un-connected, which is the way is was when I disassembled it.

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    #52 8 years ago

    Thanks VegasMike!!! Appreciate the pics! Anyone that has a CC coin cabinet, yes the whole cabinet, please pm me!

    #53 8 years ago

    Started cleaning the scoring reels. 50-years of coil dust.

    The reels cleaned up pretty well with soapy water and a magic eraser. I dont think there is a solution for the yellowed out parts of some of the reels.

    I'm going to try to clean the rest of the reel assemblies without completely disassembling them. They were all working when I started this project.

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    #54 8 years ago
    Quoted from VegasMike:

    Started cleaning the scoring reels. 50-years of coil dust.
    The reels cleaned up pretty well with soapy water and a magic eraser. I dont think there is a solution for the yellowed out parts of some of the reels.
    I'm going to try to clean the rest of the reel assemblies without completely disassembling them. They were all working when I started this project.

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    Mike,

    When I cleaned the reels on my United bowling alley, I had to use a loaf of 99 cent white bread (due to the reels being cardboard and not plastic). Might be worth a try?

    #55 8 years ago

    My reels are plastic, so soap and water work fine. I'm just careful to make sure the numbers don't start to flake or peel.

    #56 8 years ago

    Before and after of one of the scoring reel assemblies. The gear is to the left. Hard to tell by looking, but it's a lot cleaner now. The gunk was obvious.

    The coil moves smoothly, so I didn't take it apart, just cleaned where i could.

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    #57 8 years ago

    Score box ready for stripping.

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    #58 8 years ago

    I was able to strip and sand the score box today. Just need to fix some de-laminating at both bottom corners and then I'll be able to prime and paint. Then I'll be able to detail the inside, once I don't have to deal with dust anymore.

    Not sure if I want to try and reinforce the hinges or not, which would probably involve removing them and adding washers, etc. the door is so heavy with all the equipment on it that it scrapes the bottom of box when closed. Then again, how often will I need to open it once it's all fixed up?

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    #59 8 years ago

    Cabinet all painted. Time to tackle the inside. Looks simple enough...

    :-/

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    #60 8 years ago

    Glad I noticed this label before I got too far with my switch cleaning.

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    #61 8 years ago

    Looks like I'll have at least one coil to replace. Still attached, but doesn't look good for long term reliability.

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    #62 7 years ago

    It's been a while, but it's a nice day out. Time to finish the sanding on the remaining alley section!

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    #63 7 years ago
    Quoted from rplante:

    Hey VegasMike, welcome to the ball bowler restoration club!
    I picked up a 1957 United Team Bowling Alley in December and have spent the last 2.5 months addressing the electrical, mechanical and structural issues and now I'm about ready to turn my attention to the finishing work. Could you tell me what kind of paint you used (ie. enamel, latex) and how it is being applied?
    Ball bowlers: The king of the EM arcade machines and the mother of all shop jobs!
    Randy

    I have a 57 United Team. Sadly need to sell it but We had a lot of fun with it over the years. Got Doc Doom to spend 2 days going over it before He passed away and He definitely made it bullet proof.

    Good Luck with the project!!!

    #64 7 years ago

    Looking better after a first pass with the electric sander, 220 grit. This after numerous coats of stripper.

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    #65 7 years ago

    Sanding complete! First coat of stain applied.

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    #66 7 years ago

    Looking great so far. Can't wait to see this all finished and working!

    #67 7 years ago

    Looking good. Can't wait to see everything come together.

    #68 7 years ago
    Quoted from VegasMike:

    Cabinet all painted. Time to tackle the inside. Looks simple enough...
    :-/

    Jesus, that's a lot of steppers. I kind of let out an "oh boy" chuckle. Good luck with it. That looks like hell, now I know why these things are so annoying to fix and troubleshoot apparently.

    Quick edit: Also, are you missing the male end of the extended play frame adjustment jones plug? Might want to check that and make sure. Had to save that first picture. It's just too cool.

    #69 7 years ago
    Quoted from Otaku:

    Jesus, that's a lot of steppers. I kind of let out an "oh boy" chuckle. Good luck with it. That looks like hell, now I know why these things are so annoying to fix and troubleshoot apparently.
    Quick edit: Also, are you missing the male end of the extended play frame adjustment jones plug? Might want to check that and make sure. Had to save that first picture. It's just too cool.

    Naw, take a peek in the head of a Bally Bingo pin.... now THAT'S a lot of steppers.

    #70 7 years ago

    good thread - plugging in since I'm working on my majestic

    #71 7 years ago

    Good question. I'll let you know when i put it back together. I'm working on the alley sections now to take advantage of the nice weather.

    It was working when I bought it, but I didnt try any extended play features.

    Quoted from Otaku:Jesus, that's a lot of steppers. I kind of let out an "oh boy" chuckle. Good luck with it. That looks like hell, now I know why these things are so annoying to fix and troubleshoot apparently.
    Quick edit: Also, are you missing the male end of the extended play frame adjustment jones plug? Might want to check that and make sure. Had to save that first picture. It's just too cool.

    #72 7 years ago

    Looks Great, Keep it up. I have had a bunch of Bowlers over the years, they tend to get harder to find. I have a CC 16 foot Continential. Looking forward to seeing the end results.

    #73 7 years ago

    Staining requires the proper materials...

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    #74 7 years ago

    First coat of poly going on the second lane section. It's amazing how the gloss coat transforms the entire look.

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    #75 7 years ago

    The bulkhead gets primed and painted today. Painting the gutters later on as well.

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    #76 7 years ago

    Some great progress this weekend - got all the painting and poly coats done, and finally started to put her back together.

    Installed the powder coated coin box and new shin rubber. Also cleaned up the alley with a magic eraser. I will follow up with some Novus to bring back the sheen.
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    #77 7 years ago

    Looks really good

    #78 7 years ago

    Used some extra baler belt to replace the ball-calming mechanism at the top of the return chute. Hopefully it doesn't slow the ball down too much. image_(resized).jpegimage_(resized).jpegimage_(resized).jpegimage_(resized).jpeg

    #79 7 years ago

    It's alive! Got it together and mostly set up in its new home to test it out.

    99% working! The only issue is the 3 pin will not retract (but does score). The 3 pin is part of the 3-9 switch - the 9 pin does retract.

    Looked for loose wires, but nothing stands out. The 3 pin retract coil in the pin deck does not fire at all. I think the next step is to examine the 3-9 switch stack, but I'll accept some advice on what to look for!

    Also need to buy some red light bulbs for red pin!

    Better photos will be uploaded once she's fixed and final adjustments are made.

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    #80 7 years ago

    Beautiful job!!!! Check your roll over wire under the pins, check to see if the wire is contacting the switch under the lane> I have had that happen also. How long is this bowler? Great job

    #81 7 years ago

    I found my clear red light bulbs at Home Depot

    #82 7 years ago

    I love seeing these restoration threads. One day, I will have the courage to take on an EM.

    #83 7 years ago
    Quoted from Tazmans:

    Beautiful job!!!! Check your roll over wire under the pins, check to see if the wire is contacting the switch under the lane> I have had that happen also. How long is this bowler? Great job

    It's a 16' bowler. According to the schmatic, the only switch that retracts the 3 also retracts the 9, so i don't think that is the issue. I checked all the under lane switches during re-assembly.

    I'm guessing the 3-9 reset relay switch stack is the issue. I just need to get in there to look.

    #84 7 years ago

    I poked around under the hood and cleaned the 3-9 relay switch stack. The good news is that I didn't make anything worse. But the 3 pin still won't retract.

    The retractor coil looks good, and the wiring has continuity all the way back to the jones connector. I guess the next step is to trace the wire from the jones connector back to the switch stack and go from there.

    More pics to follow, but for now...

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    #85 7 years ago

    Did you tighten the switch stack screws?

    #86 7 years ago
    Quoted from dasvis:

    Did you tighten the switch stack screws?

    Yes, and it looks like they all make/break as they should, but it's really hard to see in there with all the other switch stacks.

    #87 7 years ago

    Are you sure when the roll over wire for the 3 pin gets pushed down that it touches the switch? I know you said you checked it? but did you check it like that?

    #88 7 years ago
    Quoted from Tazmans:

    Are you sure when the roll over wire for the 3 pin gets pushed down that it touches the switch? I know you said you checked it? but did you check it like that?

    Possible switch appearing to make contact but not due to flexstone grit? Or maybe too light of contact.
    I have switched from cleaning switches from flexstone to a brass brush on a Dremel & it works fabulous. Just blow out with compressed air & so far I have had no issues with stray bristles causing problems. NO damage done to contact surfaces & they look new when done.

    I had one once where the factory had used a very short solid wire jumper to make a path between two terminals on a switch stack & on VERY close inspection I found a cracked solder joint on one end. Must have spent HOURS on that damn issue. Reflowed joint & all was fine. This was a Gottlieb however, not sure if yours has any of these.

    #89 7 years ago
    Quoted from Tazmans:

    Are you sure when the roll over wire for the 3 pin gets pushed down that it touches the switch? I know you said you checked it? but did you check it like that?

    I'll check again, but I'm pretty sure it does, since the 9 pin retracts when the switch is hit, but not the 3. Accoring to the schmatic, the 3-9 are activated together.

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    #90 7 years ago

    If the #3 pin scores, but does not go up, then check the pin itself. Look at the top of the pin and check the coil flap to see if it needs adjusting, also check the switch itself to make sure it is getting good contact.

    #91 7 years ago
    Quoted from Bowlerguy:

    If the #3 pin scores, but does not go up, then check the pin itself. Look at the top of the pin and check the coil flap to see if it needs adjusting, also check the switch itself to make sure it is getting good contact.

    The switch next to the pin looks good and makes contact. The coil doesn't fire to pull in the flap. I think the coil is good - i get resistance when using the multimeter on it.

    The pin scores. I get 2 points for the 3-9 switch, but only the 9 retracts.

    #92 7 years ago

    Swipe your hands across all of the triggers but the back ones, this way all the pins should go up. Then go up to the #3 pin and take a screw driver and press down on the switch to see if it activates then.

    #93 7 years ago
    Quoted from Bowlerguy:

    Swipe your hands across all of the triggers but the back ones, this way all the pins should go up. Then go up to the #3 pin and take a screw driver and press down on the switch to see if it activates then.

    It works!

    It didn't work originally when i pushed down with the screwdriver, but then it activated once the top leaf switch touched the metal pin mounting bracket. After doing that a few times the switch started to act normal. Weird.

    Some final moving and adjusting, then i'll upload some more pictures. Thanks!

    #94 7 years ago

    Often times a switch may look like it is touching, but over time can actually make a groove on the top and bottom switch. With a little cleaning and adjusting, that should solve it.

    #95 7 years ago

    so it was the roll over switch? Happy you have it fixed...

    #96 7 years ago
    Quoted from Tazmans:

    so it was the roll over switch? Happy you have it fixed...

    No, the switch in the pin deck that controls the coil to energize the retracting flap for the 3 pin.

    #97 7 years ago

    great, yeah those also get bent out at times , awesome. happy you fixed it

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    #98 7 years ago

    I put in some soft white LEDs to brighten up the backglass. It looks real nice while maintaining the classic feel.

    Now if I could just get the Red Pin lights to work it'll be at 100%. Haven't had a chance to troubleshoot that issue yet. image_(resized).jpegimage_(resized).jpegimage_(resized).jpegimage_(resized).jpeg

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