1962 World Series
Williams, 1962Just starting in on the restoration on the '62 World Series. As far as the coin door and the front molding goes, were these originally painted? These had orange paint applied.
Started in on the lower motor board and tested the score motor and all steppers electrically. All ok there, but in need of a deep cleaning.
IMG_8109 (resized).jpgIMG_8113 (resized).jpgIMG_8114 (resized).jpgDoor seems to have minimum dents. Will clean up perfect. Did I send you a door logo if not pm me.
The coin plates are there, abet now orange. Might be ok underneath.
Wrong front molding but no biggy.
Should come out good.
The door paint color answer to your question is in the picture. Same as the hinge, silver/grey hammer finish.
Green trim same as the cabinet if a faithful restore.
Moulding appears to be in very good condition.
I will follow with interest, it’s a very good game.
Will come out nice.
The coin plates might be flipped before painting you never know.
The 1962 Williams Parts Catalog show there are 2 different snowshoe wipers. Part #1A-2098 for oval head rivets, and #1A-2000 for flat head rivets. How are these designed differently?
I was planning on replacing a few flatted wipers. There is a slight bent at the top of the wiper. Is this how it remains in position?
On to the bat assembly. This will take a long bath in Evaporust then a thorough hand polishing. I wonder if this was ever taken apart. Plunger looks questionable. Will try to polish and see how it turns out. The rubber bumper #23A-6312 looks like it melted, but I think I'll try a rubber sleeve that is used on some pinball playfields.
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That rubber is available from Marco Specialties. They have a few slugfest parts for the bat mech. Put in slugfest baseball on their search engine and you will see what they have.
After your rust removal do you plan on coating it with a clear? The trough assembly on my Gulfstream was very rusty and much of the zinc/nickle plating was gone (mice piss does a number). So after cleanup and polish I hit it with a few light coats of Polyclear (sanding between coats) to stop any future tarnishing.
thanks
Blake
I just ordered the Eastwood Plating Kit. So hopefully that will help.
As far as the bat assembly goes, the plunger holes are elongated so a replacement was just ordered.
Also ordered the rubber bumpers that are shown.
I can't really see on the Williams exploded diagram this coil stop bracket. The spring design is interesting. Their diagrams aren't as detailed as Gottlieb diagrams.
IMG_8312 (resized).jpgIMG_8314 (resized).jpgIMG_8317 (resized).jpgQuoted from Blake:Eastwood plating, I have not heard of that. Might be looking into it myself.
Parts cleaned up nicely. New plunger will probably be night and day difference.
Thanks
Blake
Quoted from Playdium:I just ordered the Eastwood Plating Kit. So hopefully that will help.
As far as the bat assembly goes, the plunger holes are elongated so a replacement was just ordered.
Also ordered the rubber bumpers that are shown.
I can't really see on the Williams exploded diagram this coil stop bracket. The spring design is interesting. Their diagrams aren't as detailed as Gottlieb diagrams.
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Have you ever used that plating system before?
I loved pitch and bat games when I was a kid.
Quoted from EMsInKC:Have you ever used that plating system before?
I loved pitch and bat games when I was a kid.
No, but it has good reviews and I have used Eastwood products in the past with good results. Also, Steve used it with positive results.
Cabinet repairs underway. The cabinet suffered through its life from being dragged with no legs attached. Speaking of which, I'm looking for a set of original red legs.
IMG_7359 (resized).jpgIMG_7361 (resized).jpgIMG_8402 (resized).jpgIMG_8405 (resized).jpgIMG_8407 (resized).jpgIMG_8410 (resized).jpgQuoted from Blake:After your rust removal do you plan on coating it with a clear? The trough assembly on my Gulfstream was very rusty and much of the zinc/nickle plating was gone (mice piss does a number). So after cleanup and polish I hit it with a few light coats of Polyclear (sanding between coats) to stop any future tarnishing.
thanks
Blake
Agree with this 100%. Its what I do
Quoted from Playdium:Cabinet repairs underway. The cabinet suffered through its life from being dragged with no legs attached. Speaking of which, I'm looking for a set of original red legs.
My WS has red legs as do my other Williams pitch and bats from 58-60. You don't need to find red legs however -- acquire regular legs and spray them with Krylon Banner Red, several coats. But DO buy new shiny leg bolts and leg levelers!
Quoted from EMsInKC:Have you ever used that plating system before?
I loved pitch and bat games when I was a kid.
I recently received the Eastwood plating kit, and I'm not too thrilled with the results. If any parts have pitting, this will not cover or fill in those areas. After hand polishing with the polish that is included, a light buff with a dremel wire wheel will improve the shine a bit.
When dipping the item you want to plate in the bath, you sometimes have to keep rotating it away from the anode because heavy build up with occur nearest the anode.
This system is affordable over having everything professionally plated, but the results aren't going to be pristine like new.
Quoted from Playdium:I recently received the Eastwood plating kit, and I'm not too thrilled with the results. If any parts have pitting, this will not cover or fill in those areas. After hand polishing with the polish that is included, a light buff with a dremel wire wheel will improve the shine a bit.
When dipping the item you want to plate in the bath, you sometimes have to keep rotating it away from the anode because heavy build up with occur nearest the anode.
This system is affordable over having everything professionally plated, but the results aren't going to be pristine like new.
Yes, fair comment. I learned it’s all about the prep.
Quoted from Playdium:I recently received the Eastwood plating kit, and I'm not too thrilled with the results. If any parts have pitting, this will not cover or fill in those areas. After hand polishing with the polish that is included, a light buff with a dremel wire wheel will improve the shine a bit.
When dipping the item you want to plate in the bath, you sometimes have to keep rotating it away from the anode because heavy build up with occur nearest the anode.
This system is affordable over having everything professionally plated, but the results aren't going to be pristine like new.
So the pitted holes did not take on the zinc or nickle platting? Were the parts sand blasted previously? Not sure what poslish was included but I have been using Brasso with good results. Here are some of the results I got reconditioning joystick shafts. Used a sanding block (150 grit) first to remove rust or abrasions. Used Novus for the ball/bat tops.
Thanks
Blake
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Quoted from Blake:So the pitted holes did not take on the zinc or nickle platting? Were the parts sand blasted previously? Not sure what poslish was included but I have been using Brasso with good results. Here are some of the results I got reconditioning joystick shafts. Used a sanding block (150 grit) first to remove rust or abrasions. Used Novus for the ball/bat tops.
Thanks
Blake
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Those look great. No, I don't have a sandblast cabinet. Initial cleaning with 0000 steel wool and Mothers Polish, followed by hand sanding with fine paper. This was done on the curved ball guides on the pitch motor. These sections have pitting as shown. This piece was plated for 7 minutes, rinsed, then hand polished with the provided Autosol polish and a microfiber cloth.
Maybe I'll drop it in the tumbler for 24 hours and see if there is an improvement.
IMG_8424 (resized).jpgYes tumbler with walnut media and some Novus 3 or mother’s will probably work like magic.
For hand sanding I like to use varatex or the green scotch brite pads. For some rougher items I will use a steel wheel, sanding spong or whatever grit sandpaper I feel is necessary to remove the major issues. I start with the heavy duty and work my way to the finer grits. It helps polish out before even adding something like Brasso.
The pitting won’t go away but you would think if the cavities were clear of rust and debris that the plating would cover and hide a lot.
Also I bet a buffing wheel utilized in a drill or dremel would make a difference while doing a final polish.
Thanks
Blake
Re-assembly of the Pitcher Unit is giving me issues. I'm not sure I have the dogs set properly, so any help would be appreciated. The image shows the cam fully rotated in the clockwise direction. I wound this as far as i could go, maybe 1 1/2 revolutions. Then the Stop Dog, (Part #A-4681), which is positioned at the lower right, locks in the cam from releasing thus spinning the pitcher arm.
So how does this Stop Dog get released to allow the ball to be launched.
IMG_8441 (resized).jpgIMG_8445 (resized).jpgQuoted from Playdium:My error was reversing the 2 Stop Dogs while re-assembly. The circled stem gets pushed outward as the cam turns, releasing the spring tension on the Pitch Arm.
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Oh I see now. Cool. Easy fix once you figured it out.
Thanks
Blake
Just finishing up on the bat assembly. Waiting on a replacement plunger. I did use the Eastwood plating kit for this and the results are as shown. I did see a difference with buffing it out after hand rubbing the Autosol.
Pitch assembly is near complete, but waiting on a coil.
IMG_8288 copy (resized).jpgIMG_8455 copy (resized).jpgIMG_8463 copy (resized).jpgQuoted from SteveinTexas:Did you purchase a replacement return spring from Marco?
That spring is part # 10A-101-1A, the same used on the stepper units for this machine. It is included in PBR's spring kit for Williams 50 step units. I ordered several. The bat plunger could only be found in Canada. Still waiting on that.
Quoted from Playdium:That spring is part # 10A-101-1A, the same used on the stepper units for this machine. It is included in PBR's spring kit for Williams 50 step units. I ordered several. The bat plunger could only be found in Canada. Still waiting on that.
Could you please post in Canada where you got the bat plunger. You may have already sorry? Also where did you get the rubber mount mine is like your old one. I have a 69’ Williams gridiron pitch and bat that I am continuing to work on. Thanks.
Quoted from bssbllr:Could you please post in Canada where you got the bat plunger. You may have already sorry? Also where did you get the rubber mount mine is like your old one. I have a 69’ Williams gridiron pitch and bat that I am continuing to work on. Thanks.
The plunger for the bat assembly is part #2A-2587. I found it at flippers.com for $6.20. The 2 black rubber bumpers are available from Marco Specialties part #23-6312.
This is a great thread for restorers to reference when fixing up these great games. Hopefully by cross referencing other related but hard to find topics we can together help fellow restorers find parts.
Regarding parts for Williams bat assemblies from 1957 thru the Slug-fest game there are parts and information in this tutorial from a few years back directly related to this subject. Unfortunately the search feature does not not always pick these up. See https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/update-your-1957-c-5161-batter-unit-assembly-with-a-slugfest-bat#post-3888923 thread #8. Bat Assembly (resized).jpg
Quoted from Playdium:That spring is part # 10A-101-1A, the same used on the stepper units for this machine. It is included in PBR's spring kit for Williams 50 step units. I ordered several. The bat plunger could only be found in Canada. Still waiting on that.
The Slugfest spring listed as a # 10-431 is also the correct spring.
Quoted from bssbllr:Could you please post in Canada where you got the bat plunger. You may have already sorry? Also where did you get the rubber mount mine is like your old one. I have a 69’ Williams gridiron pitch and bat that I am continuing to work on. Thanks.
The bat plunger changed diameter with the coil size. The earlier plungers in the 57/58 models was larger than the plungers thru 1963(Major League ) by a tad and the Slugfest is a much smaller diameter. Note the earlier plunger from 57 /58 can be sand papered down in a drill press to work in a few seconds with the more powerful coil used in the next few years.
Be careful that you do know if you have a 'swapped' part in your game (we all mostly do) when searching for replacement parts.
The tables in the linked topic can help with identifying parts from different games that might work in your game. Note some game labels have the game # which tells you where the part originated. Apologizes if I have linked before. https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/williams-baseball-game-motor-coils-and-bat-assembly-information#post-5234306.
Quoted from Playdium:With regards to the bat plunger, it might be helpful if you confirm the coil number. The plunger that I mentioned, #2A-2587 fits coil number H23-870 with a brass sleeve.
I have not had the time to add that. I had not realized that there could be an issue until I added the larger coil used In games mean’t for the plastic bat not a metal bat in a 58 Short Stop. The early plunger would stick in the brass sleeve. However, I was able to sand it a tad down and it fits well now. Williams were always tinkering with the games you can see this in the schematics year by year. It was a dynamic time in their R&d dept for sure getting the best out of these games.
I know I am tinkering with the originality but this is reversible and the less powerful coil is stowed in the back of the game. I am not sure how the games worked when the mech’s were not worn. There was a nylon washer at the interface of the cam and the pitching assembly that was there to reduce friction on the Short Stop So that said I was trying to get more power and zip to this game which I achieved to a point. In this game I seem to be unable to get another 1/2 turn to the pitching cam spring to fire that ball really fast like my other games.
Referencing Williams R&D tinkering, one of my games cam lever has 2 spring stop screw holes that permits another 1/2 turn or more than The other games. The speed from the fast ball is so fast it can be unhittable. I had to readjust to take some power off.
I will review the Williams parts books and see how much I can add to the tables.
Quoted from Playdium:The plunger for the bat assembly is part #2A-2587. I found it at flippers.com for $6.20. The 2 black rubber bumpers are available from Marco Specialties part #23-6312.
Thanks man that will help big time.
I do have the manual so does have the part numbers that should help.
Also in pic there is a good amount of play in the circled areas. I assume it is just wore out.
0EBEE4CD-2829-4B78-AF93-20581F1525B4 (resized).jpegQuoted from bssbllr:Thanks man that will help big time.
I do have the manual so does have the part numbers that should help.
Also in pic there is a good amount of play in the circled areas. I assume it is just wore out.
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Yes, if look at the picture I posted in response #14 of this thread, you will see the plunger with the elongated hole. That thing must take a beating.
Quoted from SteveinTexas:Referencing Williams R&D tinkering, one of my games cam lever has 2 spring stop screw holes that permits another 1/2 turn or more than The other games. The speed from the fast ball is so fast it can be unhittable. I had to readjust to take some power off.
I will review the Williams parts books and see how much I can add to the tables.
When I reassembled my pitch unit, I placed the spring in the first notch creating the most tension. But while bench testing it electrically, I noticed that thing really whips around. Maybe I'll move it to the middle notch.
I just received the bat assembly plunger. It is shown next to my original that has significant wear.
The process is moving along and I am getting deep into it now. Playfield is totally stripped and will get a thorough cleaning. I will need to find the rubber trim that runs across the top arch, as well as along the sides of the playfield.
The upper plated section has that black tar on it as Steve mentioned in his restoration. I don't know how that will react to being submerged in Evaporust. It's too late to have it plated as I already sent out the entire ball return sections last week.
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