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1956 Gottlieb Score-Board Pick-Up

By RyanClaytor

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#1 7 years ago

This is the story of a father/son trip to pick-up a pinball machine.

I wasn't going to document this, but a few folks who read through the pick-up story of my 1964 Bally "Hay-Ride" voiced an interest in having me documenting my next acquisition. I doubt anything will compare to that 4-day family road trip, but here goes anyway.

This all started about a month or so ago during my first trip to the White Rose Gameroom Show in York, PA. I was excited to play a lot of the EM games, woodrails specifically. I've never owned a woodrail before, but my interest in older games is growing. Anyhow, I systematically made my way down woodrail row, playing each one of those beautiful restores. (Thanks to everyone who brought one!) However, one of them in particular captured my attention:

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I was really taken by the Roy Parker artwork (not just the fifties filly, but also the smart use of geometric shapes, color, and typography), the unconventional layout (no Italian bottom here), the middle pop-bumper (for those occasional and exciting back-from-the-dead moments), the short ball times (with busy lives, my wife and I rarely have time to camp-out on games anymore), and the uncommon 4-player woodrail (there are 3 of us in our family and it's nice to be able to all hop on a single machine, should the interest arise). As the lady says:

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Anyhow, as I mentioned, I was pretty smitten with this game. Every person I met at the show was another excuse to play it.

"Hey, have you tried that woodrail over there? Wanna grab a two player game? Here's how it works."

I even met the owner, Pat, and shared a game with him. He was a very nice fellow who reminded me of the fact that it was for sale. I thanked him for his gentle suggestion, but told him that I didn't think it would fit in the overhead compartment, as I flew to York. I did, however, find out that Pat lived just outside of Pittburgh, PA, about half-again as close to my home in Michigan as York. *Note to self*

My York weekend continued with periodic stops to visit Score-Board. Sometimes without, but mostly with a partner in tow. By the end of the few days, I told myself, "If it doesn't sell by the end of the show, I'll contact Pat and see if we can make a deal." I got busy moving bingos in the final hours and by the time I came back to woodrail row to investigate the status of the Score-Board, 90% of the games were gone. I didn't know the status of the game (packed-up, sold, other) but I had Pat's contact info, so I made a point to get in touch with him a couple days after the show.

Once I got in contact with Pat, he told me the good news; Score-Board was still in his possession and still for sale. The only problem was that I was maxed-out on space. Something had to go. Since my wife never really warmed up to our 80's-tastic John Trudeau masterpiece, a Gottlieb/Premier "Monte Carlo":

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...that went on the chopping block.

I told Pat that my purchase of the Score-Board would be contingent upon me selling my Monte Carlo. He said that was fine and to let him know when I made the sale. It was gone in under 72 hours:

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I immediately called Pat and let him know that I had cash-in-hand and we started working out a pick-up date.

Quick addendum to the purchase deal; Pat received a couple calls on Score-Board the morning after I called him with news of my Monte Carlo sale. *phew* Just in time! ...and to Pat's credit, he did not act on the other interested buyers. Thank you, Pat!

ANY-how, fast-forward to last weekend and my son and I embarked on our trip to Butler, PA:

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...by way of a healthy number of stops for my 3-year-old son.

Just before we got onto the highway, we spotted an exciting sight:

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If you have a son, you know the allure of big machinery. So that started our trip on the right foot. Off we went.

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In short order I started singing, "On the Road Again," and I asked my son if he'd ever heard that song before. He hadn't, so I pulled it up on my phone and piped it through the car speakers:

New Willie Nelson fan. "On the Road Again," was an often repeated request throughout our journey.

Our first stop was about an hour down the road at Big Boy's Restaurant:

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...where we built our all-you-can-gorge breakfast of champions:

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Nom!

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We got ourselves back on the road after our customary departing "pee-pee in the toilet." Mommy bought us a new book before we left:

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Which came in handy, both as reading material to pass the time and a sun visor:

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It wasn't long before we crossed state lines:

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...and arrived at our next destination another hour from our breakfast stop, the hands-on science museum in Toledo, OH:

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It's called the Imagination Station:

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...and it had more exhibits and activities than we could see in our 2 hours there, like this bowling ball pulley that, when dropped, launched a tennis ball multiple stories into the air:

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...or the optical illusion room:

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...or a gigantic piano:

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...or the tilted room:

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We even constructed this little "house" together:

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I swear I'm only showing you, like, a tenth of the activities we did, too. It was a great stop.

By design, my little dude was exhausted at the end of our science museum excursion, and I deliberately timed our departure with his nap-time:

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He had a monster 2.5 hour rest, which brought us into:

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Right after he woke-up, I found a rest stop, so we could go...

Quoted from RyanClaytor:

...pee-pee in the toilet...

...and run around. Thankfully this rest area had a wide open grassy knoll...

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...where we raced from tree to tree until he told me,

"Phew! I think I'm ready to sit down!"

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So that made the final half-an-hour really easy. We made our way through bridges and wooded hills and areas that just seemed quintessentially Pennsylvanian to me.

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We arrived at Pat's place to a warm greeting and he showed us to that gorgeous machine:

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My son got to play it for his first time and approved of our new purchase:

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Even the wires on it looked shiny and new:

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Pat was just the coolest. I can't over-emphasize what a smooth transaction this was from start to finish. He even showed my son a few of his other toys and brought out a milk crate so he could play with them:

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I wish we could have stayed longer. Pat was such a gracious host, but eventually we packed-up "Score-Board" and secured it for the ride back home:

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We pushed on for another hour, which got us back into Ohio around dinnertime. Before we left I found a Chuck E. Cheese in Youngstown, OH with a hotel less than a mile away.

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It was the perfect reward for my little dude being such a tremendous travel companion.

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We woke up the following morning and grabbed some breakfast at the hotel before experiencing more highway vistas:

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...and rest stops:

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...with nary a pinball machine.

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I'd planned on going back to the Imagination Station as we double-backed through Toledo on our way home. There was still so much stuff we hadn't seen! However, after having some conversations in the car I was told that we should go back to Chuck E. Cheese, not the science museum.

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*shrugs* His decision, not mine.

Finally, we crossed our home-state line:

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...and delivered Score-Board to it's new resting spot.

#7 7 years ago
Quoted from bingopodcast:

Excellent! Great addition to your EM collection!

Thanks, BingoPodcast! ...and I agree.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

Story: 10/10
Machine 10/10

You sound like an awfully generous judge. Ha-ha! But I'll take it. Thank you, XSVToys.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

That pop bumper below the flippers???? I haven't seen that before. Looks like fun.

It's a hoot! Sometimes it saves it when you least expect it, sometimes you can nudge it to coax it back into play, and there are just enough holes and space around that pop where it's certainly not a sure fire save.

Quoted from Dr_of_Style:

Very nice game! congrats.

Thanks, Doc. We're lovin' it. Been havin' some family fun on it since setting it up last weekend.

Quoted from poppapin:

Nice story, you traded up in my opinion.

Ha-ha! Much appreciated. Hard to argue with my wife's opinion (and yours).

Quoted from dr_nybble:

Nice machine, love your roadtrip stories!

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Quoted from dr_nybble:

Can you tell me what is that paper apron made of?

It's sort of like a chip-board material. Pretty sure the seller told me (at York, which was a month ago) that he bought it from Pinball Resource. Maybe Steve has what you're looking for!

Good luck with your Spitfire, Nybble!

#10 7 years ago
Quoted from illawarra92:

wow what an awesome story!!
so envious..been chasing a score-board for about 30 years, have given up one turning up in australia

Huh! Interesting! I'd never even heard of the title until I went to the York Show. How did you come to know about score board? It's not a title I see on peoples' wish lists very often, but after playing it myself I'm awfully happy I was able to pick it up. Good luck with your search, illawara92!

Quoted from AlexF:

What a fun dad. Congrats on a great looking machine.

Thanks for all your kind words, AlexF. Beat of luck with the sale of your Spanish Eyes! Wish I could take it off your hands.

Quoted from dr_nybble:

Can you tell me what is that paper apron made of?

Looks like it was hand-cut:

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This next shot is kind of up-side down. Just trying to show you that it is printed on white paper.

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Hope this helps!

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#18 7 years ago
Quoted from illawarra92:

been chasing a score-board for about 30 years, have given up one turning up in australia

Quoted from mikeincali:

If anyone is interested, I'm selling a nice, working Score Board in So. Cal. Will ship worldwide.

Quoted from illawarra92:

after waiting 38 years for one to surface in australia..this one is coming to live in australia

This is just...the coolest. I've been taking care of an illustration job over the past couple weeks and not posting much, but when I read this I was so happy this thread could be the catalyst for an exchange like this. I love Pinside.

*GOOD FEELS!!!*

Although, I just noticed this right now:

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Here's hoping the deal is still on and mikeincali just forgot to pull the ad.

Quoted from Mk1Mod0:

Another home run, in my humble opinion.

Many thanks.

THAT...is happening. Did I mention I rolled it the other day:

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Was starting to wonder if rolling this game was possible. (It is NOT easy.) The game times are SUPER short! Timed myself a couple of times and...

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...each game was under a minute. These are GAME times, not BALL times. (Get ready for some fast action, illawarra92 ! Ha-ha!)

Anyhow, now I gotta work on a 2,000 point achievement.

Quoted from Otaku:

Very glad I left this one for you as I was very close to pulling the trigger

Thanks, man! I was so worried someone was gonna snatch it up before I could make something happen.

Quoted from Otaku:

it couldn't have gone to a better home

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NEWS:
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So I've been doing some things to some stuff. In an effort to give this ole machine the treatment it deserves, I recreating the plastics artwork. Mine were in pretty crispy condition. If you recall, they were all flipped upside-down...

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...so as not to catch the switches with their curled-under edges:

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Here are the comparisons of the top decorative plastics:

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...which I chose to recreate in Adobe Illustrator (a vector art program) due to the mechanical appearance of the artwork (with its straight and precise lines):

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However, for the lady plastics:

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...I decided to hand-ink (completely re-draw by hand) each of them since the character of the line-art seemed much more organic with it's flowing appearance and slightly tapering lines.

This process started by searching for any Score Board owners on Pinside. Thankfully there were two, besides me. I wrote them and asked if they still owned their Score Board and if they'd be willing to send me some pictures of those plastics (since mine were so beat-up it was hard to make out where many of the lines were or what direction they went). To my surprise, both responded within 24 hours with really fantastic, high-resolution, straight-on, in-focus images:

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I'd thank them publicly here, but I don't have their permission (yet) to mention them by name. ...but thank you so much to each of you for your help. Both of you made my results a lot more faithful to the original than I ever could have hoped for from my plastics alone.

Have I mentioned that I love Pinside?

Once I had these images, I digitally overlayed them on top of my own plastics (since I knew for certain the hole placement was exactly where it needed to be and I could measure the exact dimensions in real life) and proceeded to un-warp the plastics in Photoshop:

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From here, I converted the image to greyscale, bumped-up the contrast (to deepen the value of the inked lines and lighten the colors), and finally turned everything into a non-reproductive blue:

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I printed these out on bristol (a thick, archival drawing paper) at about 170% scale. (That's a secret trick of cartoonists. If you draw larger and then shrink your drawing for reproduction, all the slight wobbles in your lines will be far less apparent and just sort of reduce-away, giving you a much cleaner, professional-looking end product.):

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From there, I proceeded to hand-ink each of these plastics:

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Periodically throughout this process I'd have some help:

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When the inking was finished, it looked something like this:

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...and when it was scanned and thresholded (made everything either black or white, no shades of grey), it looked something like this:

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From here, I made a file that composited the hand-drawn inks with a more accurately produced black triangle outline with rounded corners (produced in vector art) and crop marks (also produced in illustrator):

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I then digitally colored the line-art:

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...replicating the original as accurately as possible (for the most part...keep reading):

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The entire time I was inking and coloring, I was constantly referencing and zooming into the photographed originals that I was sent from the fellow pinsiders mentioned above. I really wanted to get these right. Save for a few parts.

During my time playing Score Board, whenever I looked down at these plastics the anal-retentive artist in me saw that "10 Points When Lit" sign...

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...and just cringed at the fact that the bottom of this page had a curvalinear edge, but the typography above (supposedly set on the page itself) was plunked-down on a completely straight baseline.

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So, when I was re-inking everything, I just re-drew the baselines and lettering:

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...before inking it:

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Another element I changed, were those stubby little index fingers:

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I mean, I don't know if Roy Parker was using Megan Fox as a hand model or what...but, ew.

SO:

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...there's that.

Finally, I love me some Roy Parker artwork as much as the rest of our obsessive community, but...*sigh*...cross-eyed?

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...mascara not only on the eye lashes, but on the eye balls?

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...and generally stoic?

So, I tried to brighten (and straighten) those eyes a bit and make 'em a little more jolly about displaying that 10 point signage:

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One more look:

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Haven't got 'em printed yet, but I'll update with those results when I get 'em back from the printer.

#21 7 years ago
Quoted from bingopodcast:

Ryan, I've told you this before, but your art skills are something that I can never hope to emulate.

Thanks, Nick. My collection wouldn't be as functional without you. Maybe we'll have to collaborate on something.

Quoted from manitouguy:

Whooooaaaaa - very very very cool sir!!!

Ron, this means A LOT coming from you. I think we both share a similar fastidious approach to the aesthetics of our game. Thank you for chiming-in.

#27 7 years ago
Quoted from illawarra92:

you guys in america don't know how good you have it!

It's good to be reminded of this. I never really think about what it would be like to search for pins a continent away.

Quoted from illawarra92:

have contacted peter and he is making reproduction cards for score-board at the moment..will let you know when there are done

Would love to see those! Please post back here publicly. You never know when it might help someone. Your first post in this thread is already evidence of that!

Quoted from Otaku:

That. Is. Amazing. Seriously, fantastic work!

Thanks, man. Much appreciated.

Quoted from Otaku:

I wonder what's up with those woodrail plastics. My woodrail plastics were so bad that nearly every single one fell to pieces in my hands when I took them off

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Quoted from Otaku:

Ryan-Santa, I'd like a quick drawing of my poofy-haired self next to my Jive Time for Christmas.

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Quoted from Otaku:

My GIFs don't work.

Sure they do. Just select "ORIGINAL SIZE" from the drop-down menu before uploading:

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See?

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Also, congrats on your new...

Quoted from Otaku:

...donator thing.

...proud o' you, Otaku.

Quoted from Pecos:

This is so cool.

Thanks, Pecos! Nice to see you around here. I owe you a lot of thanks for spotting my bumbling technical oversights and for finding me a project pin to tackle (once I tackle another project or two). Ha-ha!

Quoted from Pecos:

After all of the work you have been doing to learn how to restore Project Pins, you finally get the opportunity to use your artistic talents.

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(Nobody ask me why Kristen Bell is my spirit animal this week. I don't know either.)

Quoted from Pecos:

Thank you for describing in detail how you performed each step...

You got it, man. Tryin' to pay it back a little after all the help I've received on the Pinside message boards.

Quoted from Pecos:

...and thanks to the two mystery Pinsiders who helped you out.

YAS!!! ...although I just heard back from one of them, who would prefer to remain anonymous. We'll see if I can publicly shame...er, I mean...NAME the other contributor to these plastics.

Quoted from Pecos:

Could you let us in on the special hardware and software you used to touch-up the red lipstick. Not all of us have magic pens that can do this!

Ha-ha! Like everything else, the magic pen is just a tool. It allows you to do things more efficiently, but not necessarily better. You've still gotta move your meat hooks in a way that looks like a lady-face. But let me try to answer your questions...

Hardware: As you saw and mentioned, for part of the coloring and correcting process I was using my Microsoft Surface Pro 4:

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This is not a necessity. As a matter of fact, part of the time I was doing this on my desktop compy with a plain ole' mouse and sometimes I'm at the dining room table scratchin' it out with my son. I guess after drawing for so long I sort of forget how interchangeable these processes are to me and I just switch around to whatever "makes the most sense" to me at the moment. At the risk of boring the crowd, I guess I'll leave it at that for hardware. If you have more specific questions, I'm happy to answer them.

Software: I used Adobe Photoshop to composite, resize, and convert to non-reproductive blue before printing them out on bristol. When I scanned the inks back into the computer I used Photoshop, again, to threshold out all the greys and then digitally color. At least, that was true for the lady-plastics. The decorative plastics were created entirely in Adobe Illustrator, a vector art program.

As mentioned above, if I'm glossing over any part of your question, lemme know.

Quoted from Pecos:

How will the art be transferred to the actual plastic pieces?

I found a printer who is willing to give it a go.

Quoted from Pecos:

Will the printer do that for you directly onto the plastics or will you be using waterslide decal transparencies?

Direct to plastics.

Quoted from Pecos:

Have you already cut the plastic slings and if so, what type and thickness of plastic did you use.

Nope. I'm including vector cut marks that the printer will then use to, like...CNC (or something) the plastics out based on those coordinates. Will have to get back to you on thickness of plastic.

Quoted from Pecos:

Will you be drilling the post holes?

Not if I can help it. Also vector cut lines.

Quoted from Pecos:

Bottom line: Your repros look totally awesome.

Thank you muchly. I can't wait to see them printed!!! Speaking of which:

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I just finalized the file and pushed the go button on the electronic mail machine. This and Pinball Magazine #4 have been my two Black Friday purchases.

I actually waited around a couple/few days before sending them off through the intertubes because my eye will usually spot something horrible about my drawing after that amount of time. Thankfully I gave myself some space for this to happen, because I ended up changing a few things about the right gal:

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From the moment I posted her a few days back, something was bothering me about her. I finally came to the realization that her forehead was really kinda jutting out a lot more than I'd like it to. So, I revised that, as well as made her a little more smiley, gave her some lashes, and made her left eye a little less bulgy.

I'll be sure to report back when plastics arrive.

#32 7 years ago

So, there's another thing I've been working on in the background for the past couple weeks. Not sure I mentioned it, but this "Score Board" is my first woodrail purchase. Consequently, I was sort of at a loss when I went to turn this machine on. There was no toggle-switch under the cab beneath the right flipper (like every other pinball machine I own). So the seller showed me how I simply needed to plug it in and push the start button. However, with a 3-year-old son running around the house...

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...this will not do.

This machine also has a kick-off switch:

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...which, evidently is meant to be beaten from the bottom of the cab to turn off the machine.

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After 60 years of looking this good, I didn't want to be the owner that bashed it to pieces. So I set about making a toggle switch. I knew I wanted it recessed so that if the machine was set on the ground it wouldn't be mashed up into the cabinet. So I took a look at some of my other pins and based on some measurements I managed to make a 3D mock-up in Google Sketch-Up:

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My thought was that I would take the piece of MDF I cut out from the bottom of the cab and simply glue/clamp it to the top of a piece of plywood. The former would have the smaller hole to receive the toggle switch and the latter would have the larger hole that you would see from the bottom of the cab.

I am not a wood-worker, but thankfully my department at the university where I teach has a tremendous shop guy who was willing to hold my hand through this portion.

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I'm really glad I had these 3D plans ready to show him, as it allowed us to get on the same page pretty quickly and understand what this weird thing was I wanted to make. He even suggested a slight modification of my design. Instead of gluing the MDF to the top of a piece of plywood, we could simply drill the larger hole part-way on one side, then flip the plywood over and drill the smaller hole through the other side. Then the upper, thinner, portion that receives the toggle switch would be made from the same wood as the rest of the unit and be stronger when all was said and done. Sounded great to me.

We couldn't find a piece of scrap plywood around the shop that was thick enough, so we decided I would simply glue together two thinner pieces:

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I grabbed a couple pieces of scrap matte board at home so I wouldn't mar the surface that we just cut. Here's what it looked like when finished.

Bottom:

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...and Top:

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In the above shot, you can see our in-house wood-worker even added a little bevel around the edges.

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I did a quick test fitting with the toggle switch:

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...and it fit like a glove:

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SO PRETTY!!!

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Alright, alright, it's pretty. But was I able to make it work? Well...I got it installed in the bottom of the cab:

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...and wired the kick-off switch wires:

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...directly to the toggle switch:

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...thinking that it would perform the same function as an on/off switch.

Weeelll...it kinda did this:

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Enter my buddy, BingoPodcast. Thankfully he was around to talk me through this. To make a long story short, I had the switch wired to the wrong location. Instead of intercepting the kick-off switch, I needed to put the switch between the hot side of the outlet plug and the fuse:

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Same thing different angle (below you can see the wires tucked-back under the bottom board as they're routed up to the front of the cabinet to the toggle switch):

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Here's the lay of the cabinet now, with toggle switch in the front-right with wires running back to the back-right. You can also see the kick-off switch is wired back were it was originally:

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...and now I have a toggle switch, a consistent way to turn on my machines, and most importantly a safer game (without a dangling plug):

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Woo-hoo!!

#34 7 years ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

Yes the shape of the red-head's head did not look right to me either (everything else looked perfect). But I didn't want to say anything, didn't want to be all critical and also was afraid you had sent it out already and it would be too late to change. Glad you changed it.

Heh. Thanks, XSV. I understand the resistance to mentioning something like this. It's hard to know someone's interest in feedback in a public forum. I should have stated this more clearly in my first re-art-ing post, but part of the reason I posted these images was to get some critical feedback before sending it to print. Anyhow, next time feel free to chime-in.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

I read a number of different threads about making new plastics and as far as I can recall no one has printed directly to the plastic, it has been all decals. That will be great if it works!

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Quoted from xsvtoys:

I can't tell for sure but it looks like you are going to get all the printing done on full sheets and then doing the cutting and drilling?

Yes. The printer/cutter machine will be doing the cutting for me. It should cut the outer edges and the interior holes for the screws.

Neato! Thanks for posting here.

Quoted from Pecos:

Be sure to tell your printer that there is a layer of white ink covering the artwork

Done!

Quoted from Pecos:

So, the Microsoft Surface has a touch-screen and a digital pen that allows you to make the pen 'magic.'

Uhm...yes. If by "magic" you mean "pressure sensitive." Pressure sensitivity basically means that the harder you press with the stylus (or the "magic pen"), the larger or darker the mark it will make.

Quoted from Pecos:

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Is this necessary so the printer can get the correct color registration?

Nope. There are things called registration marks that allows the printer to more accurately line-up each of the separate colors of the printing process...

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...but mine are not registration marks. My boxes are simply me printing a number of different color swatches so that if I decide to print again in the future, I'll have an idea of how the mixed colors will look when printed. (Most of the time, colors print differently that a screen displays them.)

Quoted from Pecos:

Is your printer open for more work?

I'm honestly not sure yet, but I'll see how things turn out with the plastics and then have a conversation with said printer.

Quoted from Pecos:

Thanks again for educating us art-illiterate plebians!

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It's the least I can do.

#39 7 years ago
Quoted from Mk1Mod0:

I can do this!

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Quoted from xsvtoys:

Is the artwork going on as digital printing or process printing?

Digital.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

The talk about the registration marks has me confused now.

Quoted from RyanClaytor:

mine are not registration marks.

Then...

Quoted from Otaku:

Nice job on the mod

Gracias.

Quoted from Otaku:

I was reluctantly waiting for you to cut a hole in the bottom of the cabinet...

Oh, that definitely happened. ...with my trusty Swiss Army knife:

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Now it looks like this after some filing:

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I wasn't too busted up about it because the bottom piece of MDF already had some holes kicked in it (someone trying to turn off the machine? ) :

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Quoted from Otaku:

I still would recommend using power strips

That option was recommended to me. I'm a slave to consistency and dug my heals in about it. I also chat about it with my wife and ultimately we decided that it would be nice to turn on just one game at a time if we wanted to.

Quoted from SteveinTexas:

Ryan beautiful work and super tutorial and topic.

Thanks, Steve.

Quoted from SteveinTexas:

The plastics; '10 points when lit' signs the girls have were borrowed on the Slick Chick PF by the bunny girls.

Huh! Interesting tid-bit. Both Parker artwork, if I remember correctly. (Too lazy to IPDB-it right now.)

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Quoted from SteveinTexas:

take another look at the S. Both ends are cropped at an angle not straight. Your upper end was still straight.

Huh...now you have me interested.

WARNING TO ALL REASONABLE-MINDED FOLKS!!! Minutia alert!!!

Alright, Steve, let's take a look at this.

My left "S":

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Original left S #1:

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Original left S #2:

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My right "S":

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Original right S #1:

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Original right S #2:

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Alright. I've come to the conclusion that you're a bunch of correct. That upper angle of my "S"s could use some honing. When I printed this in blueline, though (based off of plastic #1), it looked like this:

blueS.jpgblueS.jpg

Much more straight, but quite likely due to my...

Quoted from RyanClaytor:

un-warp[ing] the plastics in Photoshop

However, as you suspected, I have already...

I promised my printer I'd send them the files by this week...so Black Friday was the last day to do that. However, this is another reminder (TO ME) to be more explicit with the type of feedback I'm interested in. Had I received this observation before today, I certainly would have made the change. (My fault, not yours.) As it stands, I'll try to make peace with my perfectionism. Really appreciate you taking such a close look at my work, Steve!

Sincerely,
Ryan

#45 7 years ago
Quoted from SteveinTexas:

Ryan,
Here are the bunny girls with the same signs

Thank you for taking the time to do my research for me, SteveInTexas. Much appreciated.

Wait...SteveInTexas? Slick Chick? It's all coming together now! I just found your thread on your Slick Chick playfield restore a few days ago! Really great work! I'm probably about 3 days behind on your updates, but really great work from what I saw. Just popped over there real quick and it looks like you may have finished(!??!). Can't wait to take my time with the rest of your updates.

Quoted from Mk1Mod0:

Oh fer cryin' out... now you've got me doing it!

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Quoted from xsvtoys:

"WHEN LIT" however is a bit off. The letters are taller than the original.

Agreed, and as you suspected, it was...

Quoted from xsvtoys:

...intentional [due to] the incorporation of the wave shape of the banner into the text.

On the original plastic, there was just this huge gap of white space under the word "lit." Now, to my eye anyway, it looks more like the text is curving with the undulations of the big sheet of paper the gal is holding.

Anyhow, here's the image of the bluelines with new curvilinear baselines and cap lines. Maybe that will better illustrate my intention (the blue-line pencils) on top of the original (solid blue printed shapes):

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I did my best to make those curved lines get progressively more and more curved the closer they got to the bottom of the sign (transitioning from the straight top of the page/sign to the curved bottom edge).

Quoted from Pecos:

I can't tell from the pics, but do your original plastics have a coating of white ink over the artwork?

Yup. It's all crackly and bacon-ized, but there's some white back there. Also, there would have to be to make that white sign that she's holding.

Quoted from Pecos:

I'm rooting for you!

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#47 7 years ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

All of the text looks great as you did it!

Thanks, XSV.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out with the printing.

Me too! Ha-ha!

Also...

Quoted from Pecos:

I can't tell from the pics, but do your original plastics have a coating of white ink over the artwork?

Quoted from RyanClaytor:

Yup. It's all crackly and bacon-ized, but there's some white back there. Also, there would have to be to make that white sign that she's holding.

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At least, I'm pretty sure that's white. Ha-ha! (Finally got a chance to shoot these close-up for ya.) I'm definitely including the white on the back of my print, anyway.

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#48 7 years ago

A quick aside as I'm waiting for plastics from the printer; I've been workin' on a little sumpthin' in the background:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-pinball-podcast-100th-episode-anniversary-commemorative-artwork

2 weeks later
#49 7 years ago

Things arrived:

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I am VERY happy:

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Illuminated comparisons:

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They're not screen-printed, but they're about a million times better than what I had.

Here's one final crispy comparison:

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Woo!

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#54 7 years ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

Wow, I got nothin' I can even say to that. I mean, seriously, that is as awesome as...well, this:

Ha-ha! Thanks, XSVToys.

Quoted from manitouguy:

Fantastic Ryan – incredible work – what exactly was the printing process? – Sorry if you had already explained it

Thank you for the kudos, ManitouGuy! They were direct-printed on plastic and CNC cut via the vector lines I created (see prior post for vector cut lines).

Quoted from monsonb:

Awesome work! Great job!

Moar thanks, monsonb!

Quoted from Pecos:

Did your printer put on a coat of white? Whatever he did, those plastics look Fan-Tas-Tic! The perfect amount of light is getting through to light them up - just like the originals. He needs to write down that formulation and patent it! Not bad for a first try! Not bad at all!!

Oh...there's white alright:

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...and thank you for the kind words, Pecos!

Finally, stay tuned. Some exciting news to announce soon!

#56 7 years ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

Maybe this is the first attempt at direct printing on the plastic?

You give me far too much credit. I'm certain it's not.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

And it looks like it came out pretty close to perfect.

Like I said...

Quoted from RyanClaytor:

They're not screen-printed, but they're about a million times better than what I had.

It's printed using a stochastic printing method, which essentially means that it's printed using a LOT of TINY dots in a random arrangement, so the colors are pretty solid, but colors are not reproduced using solid inks. However, for a title that's never gonna get a screen-printed re-make, they're pretty fantastic.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

So probably some inquiring minds will want to know... how (you showed the how in pretty good detail)

Yup, did my best to outline this process as best I could in this thread. If you have any other questions regarding how to vectorize or hand-draw art, lemme know.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

...who and where (is whoever did this willing to do more), how much???

This, unfortunately, I cannot release. I asked my printer if they would be willing to do this for other individuals. Printer said it's a pain-in-the-butt job and isn't interested in doing it for other individuals. Sorry. Not the answer I would like to give here, but I gotta respect the wishes of others.

Quoted from xsvtoys:

It is hard to tell from the pictures how the edges look.

Hard to photograph (I'm shooting all this with my ancient iPhone4), but here are my best attempts (uploaded at original size, so there should be an opportunity for zoomage):

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Hope that helps. I think they look great, but I'd be curious about opinions of others.

#58 7 years ago

So about that...

Quoted from RyanClaytor:

...exciting news...

...that I promised to...

I'm proud to announce that you can now purchase these plastics through Steve Young at Pinball Resource ( www.pbresource.com ). The plastics should arrive to him on Monday or Tueseday (I just shipped 'em yesterday). So give him a call and place your order.

Hope this helps some people out!

#60 7 years ago

Pinball Resource dropped the official announcement today:

http://pbresource.com/news.html

"12/20/16 Gottlieb® Score-Board Repro Plastic Set

Pinball Resource announces a new collaboration with Ryan Claytor to remake some sets of Gottlieb® playfield plastics from the 50's. The first set is SCORE BOARD. It is available now under the part number "PL114" at $75.00 for the set of 4 plastics. These plastics have been re-rendered by Ryan and then printed on PETG and laser cut. I am impressed with their quality. I have selected a few more titles (firstly driven by plastics I need for my games!) that will be announced when finished. The emphasis is on sets which have not been done anywhere previously. The production runs will be small and we will see how it goes considering the time needed to re-render artwork (from poor originals) and generate cutting files."

I'm really proud to start this relationship with Steve Young and help to "refresh" a few more titles that wouldn't have otherwise received the new-plastic treatment.

Woo-hoo!
Ryan

2 weeks later
#64 7 years ago

I can see red looking nice. Mine are metal legs. Not sure what is factory original.

#66 7 years ago

Thanks, NoQuarters. I really appreciate the kind words, but mirrored Bingo BG's are likely not in my future.

1 week later
#69 7 years ago
Quoted from illawarra92:

well since seeing a black and white photo in 1978, never thinking i'd own this game here she is in australia.
it came with timber legs (game came out with steel legs) but think it looks so cool and will keep it this way.
to say i'm stoked, well that is an understatement..now will start to gather parts to restore around spring 2017.
massive thanks to ryan who planted the seed and for mike in los angeles who saw my post wanting to buy..appreciate both your help.

This is just the coolest. Happy to have played a very small role in the acquisition of your 38-year grail! Congrats!!!

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