Thanks for pointing out the missing sockets. As a result of your post, I have noted our two insert images and added a Note to our Model 1 listing where all of our pictures have been placed until we may learn how to discern a Model 1 photo from a Model 2 photo. I have also added in IPSND.net a Game Trait for both Models to allow people who post their serial numbers there to indicate if their insert's sockets are missing or not. Of course, it will take a while to see results from Game Traits especially on a game that few people have, but at least we got it started.

Well, at least I hope there are serial numbers somewhere on Triumph, dunno. Other Bally games from 1940 have serial numbers registered on IPSND.net but they are few, and are old and pictureless submissions where their SerialBot Score is low, so you don't know if they're a real serial number or some random number that someone scribbled inside the game.

Do you find a serial number on your game? If not on the cabinet, then maybe along the upper ball arch or upper trim or elsewhere? I can make note in our two listings of where to look for it. If you find one, please feel free to be the first one to add your game's number to IPSND.net.

Here's our two listings, identifying the primary operational difference between the two Models (the number of buy-backs):

https://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2656,6251

We learned of this difference way after our images were received and we don't know if there is a way to visibly discern the two Models by merely looking at the outside of the game, so I don't know which of our pictures are Model 1 or are Model 2. For all I know, heck maybe only Model 2 (the 'Dime-Limit' Triumph) got shorted the 5 sockets.

Can you discern the maximum number of buy-backs in your game, to know which Model it is? And maybe a picture showing where inside the game you discerned this?

If I ask nicely would you be able at some point to send us hi-res images of your game and then I will KNOW which Model they are when I place them on the IPDB. Our existing images are all low-res and many were photographed outdoors when the sun was casting nice shadows.

As you can see, once I get going I start to get greedy with my requests though I am appreciative of any help you can provide.

Thank you,

Jay
IPDB

Hi Pmoore66,

Was it you who submitted two images today to our Model 1 listing? (No email address was included with the submission but the photo credit looks like your username here.)

If so, you stated your game had 5 buy-backs and as your proof you gave us a picture of an unlabeled jones plug.

How does an unlabeled jones plug show you/us that your game is 5 buy-backs and not 2-buy-backs? I think I'm missing some information here.

I do see only five wires attached to this unlabeled plug.

Please bear with me to ask these questions, to help me be most confident to our users who can be newbies.

1) Can you state for me that you have played your game and have received 5 buy-backs?

2) If you unplug the plug from this jack, does it render the buy-back feature inoperative?

3) With the plug in place, I can't see the jack itself. Does the jack have a second row (of unwired connections) to allow the operator to store the plug when buy-backs are disabled?

3) Is there a specific mechanism wired to this jones connection that does the actual work of counting buy-backs? Is that unit labeled?

4) BTW, does the solder on this plug look factory/professional to you? I can't see it close-up but from a distance it makes me wonder. I suppose it is, but I wonder what you see up close.

Thanks,

Jay