I have had some issues with every NIB pin that I have bought. Sometimes it's a simple as adjusting a switch. Other times whole parts have had to be replaced. So I don't think this is common to just JJP. Stern has had some colossal misses when it comes to QC as well. Seems to happen with all of the companies.

I have a WOZ, bought it NIB from Larry at flipnout pinball. He drove 3 hrs to deliver, brought it in my house, we set it up and worked out any kinks in it. The only issues mine had was the ball trough was stuck and the crystal ball cable was loose. Took a couple of seconds to fix. I think I've had it for 7 months now with zero issues. When you are paying that amount for a machine and there is no discount I expect a little extra. I don't buy for one second that the distro are only making $500 on these games. That's why I went with a distributor that would deliver and set it up.

I realize that many of the early machines had lots of board troubles, that's why I try not to buy many games early on in production. When you buy early, especially from an company that is not proven you will likely have several problems to work through.

I agree that most of the margins suck and are not worth the effort. Wasn't trying to imply that any of these people are makng a killing selling pinball. Just that I do think the margins for JJP sales are a lot better than stern sales. Don't know that for sure but I can't see how they would not be. I purchase from Larry because I trust him, plus like you said, he does it because he enjoys it. That's a huge plus for me.

From what I have delt with personally and what I have heard from others that own WOZ JJP has done a pretty good job dealing with the issues. Yes, they need to prevent these before shipping going forward but there will always be some problems. If you are someone that can not be walked through a diagnostic or repair on the phone you probably should not own a pinball machine. Skype is also great for repairs, you can show them what you are seeing and they can see what you are doing.

Simple fact is pinball machine need repairs. If you can't do them with some guidance you better at the least have a local contact that can work on them for a fee for you. If not you probably should avoid this hobby. I can understand why people get pissed when an 8K toy stops working but this hobby is unique and you have to be able to do some of the stuff yourself.

Yes, we are extremely lucky in the middle TN area. We have you operating more pins on location than probably anywhere else, options to buy fairly close by with flipnoutpinball and choochooarcades, plus some unbelievable repair/restore folks like Mike. Plus Mike does amazing plating work.

Yes, forgot to mention hot rod arcades. They always have some cool pins available.

It would definately be nice to have a more active market for sales and trades though.