St Joseph, IL
Yeah, read page 1 of that thread, then skip and read 9 years later on the last page. Ouch.
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What sort of governance will you be implementing to safeguard a return on investment. How was previous bankruptcy come into play?
Quoted from jonesjb:What sort of governance will you be implementing to safeguard a return on investment.
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Actually the build time frame is 6 months, September 2022 to March 2023. It will go to Austin for SXSW, at my brothers, & then on to TPF. The owner picks it up there, or it gets shipped to them. The operating system will be one that people well know. Waiting back to see what base cabinet is available from American Pinball. If I go that route it will ship up to my local American Pinball Distributor. I have a local friend that will be doing the programing. All the pinball parts will be sourced from the many vendors I have used the past 25 years. Wiring, & build assembly by myself at the shared work shop. I spend the bulk of my retirement there almost every day, & the nights with my wife going on 33 years. There is another local tech that will be doing the cabinet painting, & powder coating a hour from me. Custom metal & plastic fabrication will be done locally. Playfield, plastics, & playfield done by my past local vendors. 3D printing likely done here locally.
Everyone knows I am going through personal bankruptcy, & get my very meager pension check. That is why a whale is needed, or if not found mini whales are plan B. People can reach me on the phone 902-402-7188 during the day 9am - 11pm Atlantic Time, or pm your phone number & I will call you back from my home phone.
So like I keep saying no one is being asked for the full amount up front. It will be in stages of the build.
Nobody wants a $100k one of a kind homebrew with poorly programmed rules, questionable reliability and serviceability. Might as well put blinking lights in a cab with a cool art package and sell it as an art piece. If you are truly making one machine, you don’t even need to license as a homebrew. Teams of experienced pinball professionals routinely fail at producing a fully coded ship ready machine in the timeline you are suggesting. You’re not looking for an investor, you’re looking for a fool.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:I spend the bulk of my retirement there almost every day, & the nights with my wife going on 33 years.
You keep your wife in the shop at night?
Quoted from pickleric:Might as well put blinking lights in a cab with a cool art package and sell it as an art piece.
Works for JJP... ayyyyooooooo
Here is some past info about our local pinball scene.
https://unravelhalifax.ca/flipping-out-over-pinball/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-pinball-wizard-collects-classic-games-1.1260847
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Here is some past info about our local pinball scene
John, you should have posted this with your initial post. All joking aside, I really admire your passion for pinball and your focus for achieving your goal.
Quoted from benheck:John, serious question:
What have you done, besides being broke, to be more deserving and privileged than Pat Lawlor circa 1988, myself 10 years ago, Scott Danesai, Keith Elwin, Josh Kruger or the Sonic pinball guy?
I have done a lot of stuff the last 25 years while working my 6 day a week day job. What a grind! Good thing my wife did not want kids. The local American Pinball Distributor reached out & we can build 1 or more cabinets this fall at his work shop.
https://www.arcade73inc.com/
Now I have the time to finally do some pinball builds now that I am retired. I will use contractors, others with the needed skill sets. Not a art guy like I keep saying over the years. Been knocked down many times by some of the pinball big parts guys, & I am still here moving forward. Lots of us local are in contact over the many years with pinball companies. Canada is another country that could get into pinball manufacturing in a large scale similar to Spooky & Haggis. I see no one has set up a bet on this one yet, everyone thinks it cannot be done by myself. If a big whale comes aboard before the month ends people will be shocked, but there are many out there. If not lots of mini whales at $10k US, which is plan B. Plan B would be very small builds of about 5 at a time, or 1-3. As I keep saying people will not be paying in full, but at stages of production.
Whatever you do, don’t take a dime from customers until games are ready to ship. While I don’t think there’s a single person on earth willing to invest in your venture, getting an investor is better than taking pre order money from people.
Quoted from TigerLaw:My view is he started this thread just for some laughs and attention.
Quoted from jjga:Upon further review I'm inclined to agree with you.
After meeting and seeing John in person I am not so sure. It’s more like he has a plan and it’s the method he’s using to put it in play is unpalatable.
I’d wager his pitch at Pintastic was met with “Great idea now get $100k worth of investors and then it will work.”
If you missed his unscheduled presentation during the Dev Forum at Pintastic then his bull in a China shop approach does not make much sense.
First take a look at this mans passion:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-pinball-wizard-collects-classic-games-1.1260847
Now look at his achievements. All 50 painful pages:
Nobody is going to look at all that like I just did so let me carve out an abridged version:
John spent almost a decade producing a couple rare and highly sought after playfields. Most customers were happy with the product.
John never gave up and continued to painfully meet his obligations. Right up until he was legally obligated to stop.
John needs to stop licking doorknobs. Dude is perpetually ill I suspect from years of handling pool chemicals and playfield coatings.
John needs a secretary. Flip phone photos, no text, losing emails and files… The guy should not be touching a computer.
John needs a parts buyer. Way too much time wasted sourcing crap most were happy to substitute.
John needs a manager. He needs to be managed. His contractors need to be managed. And his customers need to be managed.
John needs to not think so big. It gets distracting and overwhelming. Small means manageable.
But he did it. And everyone got every bit of info every step of the way. Both good and bad. Things were learned and corrected along the way. All at his expense.
I challenge anyone running their mouth in this thread to scan thru several pages of the playfield thread just to look at the pictures. He really did it. It was painful for all but he did it!
Finally I’d argue it was most painful for John himself who now owns zero pinball machines and ended up filing for bankruptcy. He brings it up often. I suspect for a reason. Because after all of the above he lost everything…
Quoted from greatwichjohn:I have done a lot of stuff the last 25 years while working my 6 day a week day job. What a grind! Good thing my wife did not want kids. The local American Pinball Distributor reached out & we can build 1 or more cabinets this fall at his work shop.
https://www.arcade73inc.com/?fbclid=IwAR3K57U9etR6BuJwv1HuosE7RFiT1ukffg-y0BBXkgkUaX_ZysRdXfivalU
Now I have the time to finally do some pinball builds now that I am retired. I will use contractors, others with the needed skill sets. Not a art guy like I keep saying over the years. Been knocked down many times by some of the pinball big parts guys, & I am still here moving forward. Lots of us local are in contact over the many years with pinball companies. Canada is another country that could get into pinball manufacturing in a large scale similar to Spooky & Haggis. I see no one has set up a bet on this one yet, everyone thinks it cannot be done by myself. If a big whale comes aboard before the month ends people will be shocked, but there are many out there. If not lots of mini whales at $10k US, which is plan B. Plan B would be very small builds of about 5 at a time, or 1-3. As I keep saying people will not be paying in full, but at stages of production.
100k isn’t enough money, if you’re not doing the art or programming. Unless everyone is willing to work for under $5 an hour or you’re willing to have sloppy work.
Pretty hard to do when you are broke & going through personal bankruptcy. Many people here got free restorations years ago when I started out with direct ink restorations. Even Charlie was very sly about my backglass production way back. Proved over the many years that printing playfields & backglass with a uv inkjet printer could be done. None of my playfields ever delaminated or had pooling. Problems at times with about 3% of backglass production that I replaced free (printer problems).
Wish people would stop trashing me about doing nothing, or do it with money I do not have. Guess my time is worth nothing in making a game. Others will get paid for their parts, & service which no one was owed by my company Great Pinball over the years. I sold my parts business a year ago to Fantastic Pinball, after a few anal color guys ground the biz into the ground about the shade of blue for Seawitch & Star Gazer playfields. Part of the deal was any last Seawitch playfield prepaid owners would receive it from Greg Walker. Another great friend & a hidden expert on doing playfield art files. Also has the talent for color which I lack & the financial ability to improve what I have done over the years. I cannot do anything that was done over the years for product titles, but can do anything I want as a new project.
If Ben or anyone else wants to talk on the phone you know how to reach me. Same with those in the industry who people do not believe I have no dealings with. Still do not have a designer, or artist yet until I see how this pans out the next 2 months of summer.
Quoted from LORDDREK:After meeting and seeing John in person I am not so sure. It’s more like he has a plan and it’s the method he’s using to put it in play is unpalatable.
I’d wager his pitch at Pintastic was met with “Great idea now get $100k worth of investors and then it will work.”
If you missed his unscheduled presentation during the Dev Forum at Pintastic then his bull in a China shop approach does not make much sense.
First take a look at this mans passion:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-pinball-wizard-collects-classic-games-1.1260847
Now look at his achievements. All 50 painful pages:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/would-you-prepay-500-us-for-a-new-stern-seawitch-or-star-gazer-playfield
Nobody is going to look at all that like I just did so let me carve out an abridged version:
John spent almost a decade producing a couple rare and highly sought after playfields. Most customers were happy with the product.
John never gave up and continued to painfully meet his obligations. Right up until he was legally obligated to stop.
John needs to stop licking doorknobs. Dude is perpetually ill I suspect from years of handling pool chemicals and playfield coatings.
John needs a secretary. Flip phone photos, no text, losing emails and files… The guy should not be touching a computer.
John needs a parts buyer. Way too much time wasted sourcing crap most were happy to substitute.
John needs a manager. He needs to be managed. His contractors need to be managed. And his customers need to be managed.
John needs to not think so big. It gets distracting and overwhelming. Small means manageable.
But he did it. And everyone got every bit of info every step of the way. Both good and bad. Things were learned and corrected along the way. All at his expense.
I challenge anyone running their mouth in this thread to scan thru several pages of the playfield thread just to look at the pictures. He really did it. It was painful for all but he did it!
Finally I’d argue it was most painful for John himself who now owns zero pinball machines and ended up filing for bankruptcy. He brings it up often. I suspect for a reason. Because after all of the above he lost everything…
You could have been describing the other John with that narrative too 
How did you arrive at the $100k number?
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Still do not have a designer, or artist yet until I see how this pans out the next 2 months of summer.
Wait, are you saying you're planning to have someone else design this game?
Quoted from LORDDREK:John needs
Sounds like the John P... scenario all over again.
Quoted from transprtr4u:Sounds like the John P... scenario all over again.
No I read all those threads too. I saw everything but actual combat with that whole deeproot scandal. And yes I got the t-shirt and proudly rock my RAZA rag. Had to get something to go with the months of following that saga.
JPop was something entirely different. And I know this because I read the 50 page playfield thread and not just regurgitate unfounded opinion. That statement is just ridiculous.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Wish people would stop trashing me about doing nothing, or do it with money I do not have. Guess my time is worth nothing in making a game. Others will get paid for their parts, & service which no one was owed by my company Great Pinball over the years. I sold my parts business a year ago to Fantastic Pinball, after a few anal color guys ground the biz into the ground about the shade of blue for Seawitch & Star Gazer playfields. Part of the deal was any last Seawitch playfield prepaid owners would receive it from Greg Walker. Another great friend & a hidden expert on doing playfield art files. Also has the talent for color which I lack & the financial ability to improve what I have done over the years. I cannot do anything that was done over the years for product titles, but can do anything I want as a new project.
If Ben or anyone else wants to talk on the phone you know how to reach me. Same with those in the industry who people do not believe I have no dealings with. Still do not have a designer, or artist yet until I see how this pans out the next 2 months of summer.
John - what is it you are going to be doing for $100k? If it is not the cabinets, art, software, design, system… it seems like you are feeling attacked here, but are asking for people to give YOU cash with no indication of YOU actually doing, well, anything at all…. and if everyone else will be doing all the work how would any of THEM be paid?
Am I missing a key item here?
Quoted from iceman44:You could have been describing the other John with that narrative too
How did you arrive at the $100k number?
Yes the Pintastic Show was great for playing pinball & meeting people. I do wish to say how sorry I was with the only seminar on Friday that really interested me came out very wrong for the panel, & those there. It was not my intention to want to give personal advice to those looking to do there own home brew projects. I did not know the person moderating the panel, & our personalities definitely clashed badly! For that I am very sorry about that, & offer my apology. Tracked down like a dog after the 3 seminars on Saturday, which I likely deserved. Trying to relax with a beer with Jack, & Steve as seen in the video. It was the end of the day, & I was tired at that time after being a vendor. For Jack & Steve, sorry that I remained while you & the staff had your supper drinking my $8 beer from the craft vendor (last one served after Jack & Steve).
As for how I came up with $100k US number. I met someone with very good knowledge about Big Whales in the USA, Sunday morning at the show. Many of them out there looking for games or something different. Some want something very special like what Jpop was suppose to do. Or their production games to be seriously upgraded. That level I believe 1 game can be built, or with a number of mini whales produced with a lot less bling. A few big whales I have known over the years in one form or other. They really enjoy pinball ownership, & can afford very impressive collections.
But I should clarify before I get humped hard here that just asking for $100k here on Pinside is laughable and John should get his nuts busted for it.
But he has an impressive resume for an entirely one man show with diverse limitations.
John is a big goofy guy with a huge passion for pinball and an unmatched tenacity. It is sad to see that go untapped…
Quoted from iceman44:How did you arrive at the $100k number?
I think it's known as having little to no plan and pulling a number out of your ass?
People always use round numbers when they have no clue.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Yes the Pintastic Show was great for playing pinball & meeting people. I do wish to say how sorry I was with the only seminar on Friday that really interested me came out very wrong for the panel, & those there. It was not my intention to want to give personal advice to those looking to do there own home brew projects. I did not know the person moderating the panel, & our personalities definitely clashed badly! For that I am very sorry about that, & offer my apology. Tracked down like a dog after the 3 seminars on Saturday, which I likely deserved. Trying to relax with a beer with Jack, & Steve as seen in the video. It was the end of the day, & I was tired at that time after being a vendor. For Jack & Steve, sorry that I remained while you & the staff had your supper drinking my $8 beer from the craft vendor (last one served after Jack & Steve).
As for how I came up with $100k US number. I met someone with very good knowledge about Big Whales in the USA, Sunday morning at the show. Many of them out there looking for games or something different. Some want something very special like what Jpop was suppose to do. Or their production games to be seriously upgraded. That level I believe 1 game can be built, or with a number of mini whales produced with a lot less bling. A few big whales I have known over the years in one form or other. They really enjoy pinball ownership, & can afford very impressive collections.
The way you keep describing wealthy people and calling them whales is downright ridiculous.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Yes the Pintastic Show was great for playing pinball & meeting people. I do wish to say how sorry I was with the only seminar on Friday that really interested me came out very wrong for the panel, & those there. It was not my intention to want to give personal advice to those looking to do there own home brew projects. I did not know the person moderating the panel, & our personalities definitely clashed badly! For that I am very sorry about that, & offer my apology. Tracked down like a dog after the 3 seminars on Saturday, which I likely deserved. Trying to relax with a beer with Jack, & Steve as seen in the video. It was the end of the day, & I was tired at that time after being a vendor. For Jack & Steve, sorry that I remained while you & the staff had your supper drinking my $8 beer from the craft vendor (last one served after Jack & Steve).
As for how I came up with $100k US number. I met someone with very good knowledge about Big Whales in the USA, Sunday morning at the show. Many of them out there looking for games or something different. Some want something very special like what Jpop was suppose to do. Or their production games to be seriously upgraded. That level I believe 1 game can be built, or with a number of mini whales produced with a lot less bling. A few big whales I have known over the years in one form or other. They really enjoy pinball ownership, & can afford very impressive collections.
What if you and your friends in the community built the game, everybody chip in some mini whale time and $$$ in a “partnership” and then auction it off after it’s done? One of a kind.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Pretty hard to do when you are broke & going through personal bankruptcy.
So if someone wants to put $100K into this project. What guarantee will they have that it won't go into your already problems ? Escrowed or something ?
LTG : )
Quoted from skink91:John - what is it you are going to be doing for $100k? If it is not the cabinets, art, software, design, system… it seems like you are feeling attacked here, but are asking for people to give YOU cash with no indication of YOU actually doing, well, anything at all…. and if everyone else will be doing all the work how would any of THEM be paid?
Am I missing a key item here?
The big whale $100k US is what is needed for a licensed pinball machine. 1 of a kind with stuff that will not be done with a $10k US one. If the game gets picked up it might be totally different depending on the BOM, or the manufactures wishes. Same with the license assets.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:The big whale $100k US is what is needed for a licensed pinball machine. 1 of a kind with stuff that will not be done with a $10k US one. If the game gets picked up it might be totally different depending on the BOM, or the manufactures wishes. Same with the license assets.
Why are you not answering the question asked here (over and over)?
You may actually be a nice guy, I really don’t know, but either you are:
- deliberately avoiding answering the questions because you are afraid of the answers
- trolling everyone
- crazy
- completely oblivious to what it actually takes to be able to do what you are purporting to be able to do
So which is it?
Quoted from gandamack:You keep your wife in the shop at night?
C’mon, dude, you know what the guy meant. Be nice.
Quoted from skink91:Why are you not answering the question asked here (over and over)?
You may actually be a nice guy, I really don’t know, but either you are:
- deliberately avoiding answering the questions because you are afraid of the answers
- trolling everyone
- crazy
- completely oblivious to what it actually takes to be able to do what you are purporting to be able to do
So which is it?
The guy has experience in the pinball industry and an obvious passion about it; it’s just his pitch and explaination need some work (never refer to an investor as a "whale"). No need to sit here and grill the guy and be rude. Whereas his initial presentation is off-kilter, the way you go about asking for answers is equally so.
The amount of grown adults in here acting like a-holes to the guy is disheartening. Better to just not reply and leave the thread and not reply at all than to act like a jerk.
The problem with a large group is things are likely to go wrong. Much easier to control the contractors & build myself. The money will not be in my hands no matter what goes on with my personal bankruptcy. As people have seen in the past scams, building 1 game or 2 can be done relatively easy. Raise a boat load of money, & then let the ship sink. Not what I am looking to do.
Quoted from LTG:So do it.
LTG : )
That is the plan with my retirement years.
Quoted from ticktockman:The guy has experience in the pinball industry and a passion; it’s just his pitch and explaination need some work. No need to sit here and grill the guy and be rude. Whereas his initial presentation is off-kilter, the way you go about asking for answers is equally so.
The amount of grown adults in here acting like a-holes to the guy is disheartening. Better to just leave the thread and not reply at all than to act like a jerk.
You fucking serious? Dude is asking for $100k with no ability to answer what he is actually doing, and when I ask questions about it I am ‘grilling him’ and ‘being rude’?
What kind of entitled bullshit world do you live in champ?
Quoted from LORDDREK:After meeting and seeing John in person I am not so sure. It’s more like he has a plan and it’s the method he’s using to put it in play is unpalatable.
I’d wager his pitch at Pintastic was met with “Great idea now get $100k worth of investors and then it will work.”
If you missed his unscheduled presentation during the Dev Forum at Pintastic then his bull in a China shop approach does not make much sense.
First take a look at this mans passion:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-pinball-wizard-collects-classic-games-1.1260847
Now look at his achievements. All 50 painful pages:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/would-you-prepay-500-us-for-a-new-stern-seawitch-or-star-gazer-playfield
Nobody is going to look at all that like I just did so let me carve out an abridged version:
John spent almost a decade producing a couple rare and highly sought after playfields. Most customers were happy with the product.
John never gave up and continued to painfully meet his obligations. Right up until he was legally obligated to stop.
John needs to stop licking doorknobs. Dude is perpetually ill I suspect from years of handling pool chemicals and playfield coatings.
John needs a secretary. Flip phone photos, no text, losing emails and files… The guy should not be touching a computer.
John needs a parts buyer. Way too much time wasted sourcing crap most were happy to substitute.
John needs a manager. He needs to be managed. His contractors need to be managed. And his customers need to be managed.
John needs to not think so big. It gets distracting and overwhelming. Small means manageable.
But he did it. And everyone got every bit of info every step of the way. Both good and bad. Things were learned and corrected along the way. All at his expense.
I challenge anyone running their mouth in this thread to scan thru several pages of the playfield thread just to look at the pictures. He really did it. It was painful for all but he did it!
Finally I’d argue it was most painful for John himself who now owns zero pinball machines and ended up filing for bankruptcy. He brings it up often. I suspect for a reason. Because after all of the above he lost everything…
I will say, the man seems to have integrity. I also give him props that he takes all the crap in this thread and has not lashed out against anybody.. But, that doesn't make his idea investable nor himself an investable entity
Quoted from greatwichjohn:As for how I came up with $100k US number. I met someone with very good knowledge about Big Whales in the USA, Sunday morning at the show. Many of them out there looking for games or something different. Some want something very special like what Jpop was suppose to do.
Invoking John as an inspiration for your new pinball enterprise is a home run component of any fundraising pitch.
Quoted from skink91:You fucking serious? Dude is asking for $100k with no ability to answer what he is actually doing, and when I ask questions about it I am ‘grilling him’ and ‘being rude’?
What kind of entitled bullshit world do you live in champ?
If you had no interest or intention in engaging him in his offer because it is ludicrous than why even respond? Why insinuate the guy could be "crazy"? It's just an assholish thing to do.
If someone takes the guy seriously and wants to do business with him, then let that guy get all the hard answers to determine whether it's a sound investment or not. It's obvious that you're not that guy, so why even bother? He owes you no answers; you're not doing business with him.
But just sitting up here and giving the guy crap is a very juvenile thing to do (and respect to him for not acting that way in return).
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Yes the Pintastic Show was great for playing pinball & meeting people. I do wish to say how sorry I was with the only seminar on Friday that really interested me came out very wrong for the panel, & those there. It was not my intention to want to give personal advice to those looking to do there own home brew projects. I did not know the person moderating the panel, & our personalities definitely clashed badly! For that I am very sorry about that, & offer my apology. Tracked down like a dog after the 3 seminars on Saturday, which I likely deserved. Trying to relax with a beer with Jack, & Steve as seen in the video. It was the end of the day, & I was tired at that time after being a vendor. For Jack & Steve, sorry that I remained while you & the staff had your supper drinking my $8 beer from the craft vendor (last one served after Jack & Steve).
As for how I came up with $100k US number. I met someone with very good knowledge about Big Whales in the USA, Sunday morning at the show. Many of them out there looking for games or something different. Some want something very special like what Jpop was suppose to do. Or their production games to be seriously upgraded. That level I believe 1 game can be built, or with a number of mini whales produced with a lot less bling. A few big whales I have known over the years in one form or other. They really enjoy pinball ownership, & can afford very impressive collections.
Please edit all your previous posts and change the word “whale” to “investor”. Anyone who has the means to back a project like this would never consider what you propose based on the use of that word. The crazy part is that there are many people on this site capable backing a project like this.
Quoted from ultimategameroom:Please edit all your previous posts and change the word “whale” to “investor”. Anyone who has the means to back a project like this would never consider what you propose based on the use of that word. The crazy part is that there are many people on this site capable backing a project like this.
^ THIS. OP may have a great idea, but please get someone else to write up the pitch for you next time. Presentation is key (ever watch SHARK TANK?)
Quoted from greatwichjohn:The problem with a large group is things are likely to go wrong. Much easier to control the contractors & build myself. The money will not be in my hands no matter what goes on with my personal bankruptcy. As people have seen in the past scams, building 1 game or 2 can be done relatively easy. Raise a boat load of money, & then let the ship sink. Not what I am looking to do.
John the contractors were a big part of the problem with your last venture. If your going to concentrate on a single machine build as much as you can in house. Homebrew style. Screw the licensing. Build a nice player and skin it however you want down the road like Archer>Iron Maiden.
Look at most of the titles being pushed for reproduction. They originally weren’t licensed themes. License for the masses not collectors like the whale you seek.
Quoted from ticktockman:If someone takes the guy seriously and wants to do business with him, then let that guy get all the hard answers to determine whether it's a sound investment or not. It's obvious that you're not that guy, so why even bother? But just sitting up here and giving the guy crap is a very juvenile thing to do.
How do you know I’m not that guy? You seem to have appointed yourself John’s, what, manager? My first post on this thread (that you downvoted for some reason) asked a valid question: what role does John have in this if everyone else is doing all the work?
Others have asked questions about where the money actually goes and what it is for.
None of these questions have been addressed. And why is that?
Quoted from ticktockman:If you had no interest or intention in engaging him in his offer because
If you had no interest or intention in engaging him in his offer because it is ludicrous than why even respond? Why insinuate the guy could be "crazy"? It's just an assholish thing to do.
If someone takes the guy seriously and wants to do business with him, then let that guy get all the hard answers to determine whether it's a sound investment or not. It's obvious that you're not that guy, so why even bother? He owes you no answers; you're not doing business with him.
But just sitting up here and giving the guy crap is a very juvenile thing to do (and respect to him for not acting that way in return).
Are you new to this hobby? Outside of crypto
and expired car warranties, nothing has seen more scammers than this hobby. Many people in this very thread have been victims of these low lifes. So please take your righteous indignation elsewhere. If once again, someone is going to come to this community with their hat In Hand for their "pet project", then expect them to get grilled. Especially one that's asking for 100k.
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:I will say, the man seems to have integrity. I also give him props that he takes all the crap in this thread and has not lashed out against anybody.. But, that doesn't make his idea investable nor himself an investable entity
In its present form I 100% agree. In the playfield thread he unsuccessfully micro managed too much. But never gave up. And produced. Nothing like some other notorious ventures documented here on Pinside…
Quoted from skink91:How do you know I’m not that guy?
Potential investors don't usually insinuate an investable client is possibly "crazy".
Quoted from skink91:You seem to have appointed yourself John’s, what, manager?
No, but having taught middle school for more than twenty years I see plenty of passionate people get trashed on and bullied for their enthusiasm and, perhaps, lack of people skills. Think his proposition is absolutely ridiculous? Then walk away. A serious investor? Then engage with the person using better people skills than you displayed. Either way, just try to be better.
Quoted from Honch:So please take your righteous indignation elsewhere.
If "righteous indignation" means not being an asshole to someone, than so be.
Either way, I'm going to take the high road and walk away from this thread. Cheers.
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