Imagine if someone was color blind and could only see black and white their entire life, then try to explain color to them. That comparison is how these videos are to the real thing!!

Oh My God!! Is the reaction we get from EVERYONE that sees these!!

We wanted to get into the topper market, so we figured we needed to do the best! So, we made a hologram topper!

This topper looks 10 times better in real life then it does in these videos. We have been working on this a long time, and we will have some demos at Pintastic.

These videos were done in very bright lighting, as a matter of fact, we put a spot light on them so you could see the back ground, in any lighting these are very vibrant.

The topper is designed to work in a room with an 8 foot or taller ceiling. It comes with two sized stands, one to use the full space above a Stern or Bally game height. Another stand that drops the hologram 2 inches below the top of the game, for taller games such as Gottlieb or Sega. This topper is designed to work with all games, even EM’s.

The price for this topper is $249.99. When you purchase the topper you will get access to our video library of about 300 videos that you can load on your topper. They should be ready to ship on 8-1-2019.

For most games we will have a few videos, some games like Star Wars we will have more. You can put one video on your topper, and the video will repeat. If you want to put more videos on your topper at the same time you can do that. Some of our videos are generic, such as flames, most are game specific. Many videos can be used on a few games, such as the Tesla coils list here as Monster Mash, that video will also work well for Metallica and Frankenstein.

Or you can put a few videos together to make a story, such as the Attack from Mars video below, then the meteor shower video, then one of our fire videos.

You can change videos at any time, just go to our website, use your password and download a new video from our entire library. So, this one topper can be used on all of your games.

We will also include a wall mount, so if you want to out a selection of your game and use it as a decoration.

Life span is 50,000 hours. It makes about the same amount of sound as a fan. It does not have sound, just video. Viewing angle is 150 degrees.

I guarantee this will be a jaw dropper at Pintastic.

As a side note, I will have a limited selection of PDI glass at Pintasic for $300 a sheet, cash.

If you want to look at just one video, check out Guns N Roses or Lord of the Rings.

We plan on having something for most of the top 100 games except for games that come with an original topper, such as FishTales or The Addams Family

AC DC

Attack From Mars

Batman 66

Checked Flag

Deadpool Disco Ball

Dragon

Funhouse Balloons

Ghostbusters – slimmer

Guardians of the Galaxy

Guns N Roses

Ironman Helmet

Jurassic Park

Lord of the Rings

Metallica Title

Meteor shower

Monster Bash

Pirates of the Caribbean

Spiderman

Stargate

Terminator

The Simpsons Lisa

Twilight Zone

Theatre of Magic

Toy Story Woody

Tron Flynns

Tron

The videos have the prototype stand, the production stand will be a little cleaner, and use velcro to mount to the top of the game to keep it from moving. The topper would not move on it's own, but anything on top of the back box need to be secured because of the game moving. Yes, we will include software that would allow you to put your on graphics on the topper.

We hope to have 6 or more videos for Iron Maiden when we start selling. We have a few different ways to produce videos. That video has been suggest and has been reviewed, but I don't see that happening for a few months if we do that. But, we will have a video of Eddie the pilot, working on that now. Here is the base we are working from.

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I am sorry for any issues. I did get pretty sick, and did get pneumonia, and was out for a few months. I did have some issues with my gal that was doing emails, and some things did get lost in the translation. We have done many metal Stern panels. I will send you my personal email, please forward your emails to me, and I will take care of them. Nearly everything on this mod is factory made.

A question came up about what I meant by a spot light. Those videos were recorded in a very bright light. The reason I did that was so you could see the wall behind the hologram. This hologram system uses 224 LED's and is vary bright in any environment. If I record in an average lit room, because of the LED,s it closes the iris and makes everything behind the hologram very dark, it makes it just look like a video on a monitor. Here are some examples.

All videos were done with the game on.

These videos will demonstrate the colors better.

Ghostbusters

Lord of the Rings

Pirates

Tron - Flynns

I completely understand, yes it can be cleaned up a lot. When we were taking the pictures we messed a lot with lighting and camera settings, that we did not notice the cord. The cord has one of those magnets on it, that is the little bigger box, that could be put behind the main center black unit. The stand is clear, thick plexiglas so you get the most effect of the hologram, I would run the power cord down the edge of the plexiglas and secure with clear scotch tape.

Not quite, LOL

Getaway is a bit of an issue that we have not addressed yet. In saying that, we do have a red Lamborghini video that I am not happy with yet. I think we have a helicopter video that is not done yet. We are working on a new system on the videos, and if it works well, we would be a 504 police car, after we resole our issue.

Our issue, the bottom of the stand is 3 /12" deep by 12" inches, 3 inch wide 1/4" clear plexiglass is the support column, which is mounted to the back center on the bottom plate. We have not tried the fitting it on that game, but we think the siren will interfere with the stand and column.

That game may be a bit on the back burner.

Their are a bit of challenges with that. A memory card can hold 50 videos, so that is not the problem. If you put one video in the memory, that video will repeat.

We wanted to make the fit of this mod as universal as possible, so we are using our photosensor relay that we invented and introduced about a year and a half ago, you see it a bit about 60 seconds into this 90 second video:

You can see when I move my hand over the photosensor and block the light the hinges turn off. When you put this relay in your back box, when you turn on your game it senses light and send power through. This sensor can also be put next to an individual light on the playfield and the hologram could be turned on and off with any light on the play field. (As a side note, I loaned my Guardians of the Galaxy game to Rock Custom Pinball at last years Pintastic which had that mod. 5 months later he then started selling a copy of our relay, yes, he stole it, and I don't have an issue saying it, since I started showing off and shipping the relay 8 months before he did his)

So with that relay you could make the fan interactive with one video, but another issue is it take the hologram about a second to start, and during that time the picture is jumpy, so the makers put an advertisement of their product in the first second. So every time that light turned on, you see a one second advertisement. That is either in the hardware or firmware, but their is no way we can get to it.

To do multiple interactive videos, would be very, very, very hard need specialized hardware and software, very expensive to design.

Yes, we will supply the required software to convert the file to the format the hologram understands. Any custom software, I would love if it was shared me to post. I would give credit to any designer, name and link, but no money.

You would need a 9 foot ceiling for that. But would work.

I will post a couple of videos today of the wire better hidden.

When I said I used a spot to take these videos, these are pictures of how bright the room was when I took pictures.

Here are also a few videos with the power cord taped down.

If you want to hide the power better, wrap the power cord with masking tape, and paint the tape the color of the wall behind it. The cord would be nearly invisible.

Also on the Aladdin flying carpet video, I started the shot with all lights on, then turned all lights off, then turned the lights back on to best demonstrate how well it will look it different lighting environments.

Scared Stiff

Aladdin flying carpet with different lighting

Ironman hologram and motorcycle

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We have a rotating Death Star, that was one of the first ones we did. We have about 8 Star Wars videos.

Meteor shower looks good. Be about 6 weeks.

Yes, and no.

Much 3D on the market tricks the mind. Example would be a 3D movie with wearing 3D glasses, that is not true 3D, but it tricks the mind into looking 3D.

Another example would be those 3D baseball cards that when you tilt, they look 3D. Just like the new translights on White Water and other games. You could argue those are true 3D because they are on different levels, but because of other manufacturing it also tricks the mind to look more 3D then they are.

On this, because the image is at one level, and you can see through the surface the image is at to the surface behind, it tricks your mind into think it is 3D, because you do have different surfaces. Then as an images moves, get smaller and larger, and different angles, it further tricks your mind into thinking it is 3D. Some videos are better then others, but many do appear to be true 3D. One comment we hear again and again is I want to touch it. People want to touch it, because their mind knows something is not right, just like people often want to try to touch things on a 3D movie.

Also this product is listed and it is accepted in the market as a hologram producing product.

Does this use laser to intersect as multiple thousand dollar hologram generators do? No.

This product WILL NOT give you a 3D experience equal to movie with glasses, but it will give you a much higher 3D experience then a monitor because of the different levels and design.

One thing I can tell you, watching a video of this product is NOTHING like watching this product, their is a HUGE difference.

So I guess part of your answer would depend on your definition. Is virtual reality true reality? No, but it sure can be cool to look at.

Best thing is to view yourself and make the determination for yourself.

No air movement, the blades are flat. Also because of that, they do not try to move off the back box, but because of players shacking a game, these MUST be secured with supplied Velcro.

The LED's are built into the blades.

Many people in pinball are around 50, so they will be able to relate to this. Today's TV's give such good pictures, but if you think about a TV 35 years ago, you could see the lines. This product has an effect like that old TV. Because the LED's are side by side, their are slight lines, but no one ever mentions that, because the experience is so cool.

We do have 5 people here, and I don't do emails personally. Yes, it does sound like an some issues here, and I will follow up. I gave both of those people my personal email to resolve those issues personally, and I will be following up with my people in different departments.

I will say this, we do have thousands of happy customers, and it is my goal to make sure these few are happy.

The fan sticks out 4 inches, our bases is 3 1/2". On our standard mount the height of the fan is about 1/2" above the stand. This is the mount we would recommend for most applications. The shorter mount that we have the fan blade goes down below the mount a little over an inch. When using this mount the base MUST line up with the top end of your back box, because the fan blade will go below your stand. This size mount was designed so the fan will fit on the taller games such as Sega.

Part of the experience is most walls are painted in just one color so it is easy to see the image moving. If the fan dropped in front of the graphics of the translight, you would loose some of the effect.

The later few picks have the power cord secured, and it is much cleaner. If you put some masking tape around the cord and paint it the color of your wall, the cord will be nearly invisible.

Thank you for the comments.

The fan does have some some noise, about that of a table fan.

Their is a huge gap on price point on these, you can get into thousands of dollars on these pretty quick. Our is the base model to keep the price down.

On larger displays of these they offset the fans about an inch and stack them. An example would be having the Death Star on the top left of the game. On the top right about an inch back you could have on displaying tie fighters flying towards the Death Star. They make huge displays of these stacked like that.

Yes, won't be doing any of Rick's graphics, which will limit some of the things we can do on some titles, such as Theatre of Magic, Black Knight and so on. We just won't use his exact graphics, we are working on a tiger with a saw.

Not that bad. It only has 2 blades and those are about a inch wide. The center hub is about 4" in diameter. The stand being plexiglass is normally not to visible.

Doug, thank you on the comment on this item.

I am surprised about your comment on my photosensor relay, let me explain.

You make speaker lights, right? Well, the LED strips were around before your speaker lights, remote controlled LED's were around before speaker lights, LED mounts were around before your speaker lights, 12 volt power supply's were around before your speaker lights. So what makes your speaker lights so special? It is that configured and adapted it for pinball use. I don't diminish your product even though that technology was out before your product, you have a great product.

The technology for my relay was out before I made it, but I configure it and adapted it to work on pinball. I changed the electrical flow chart, if you look at all of your relays, you had to use an out side wire to jump the power path, I made the wire long enough to give the flexibility to mount easaly, I made the pedometer sensitive enough so you can put the photosensor close enough to a single play field LED and it would turn on and off an item, I changed it from a mechanical relay to a solid state relay to cut down on noise and current use, I put a standard 12V plug on it so it could hook up easily.

I made many changed to existing products to make it work in the pinball industry, that is what is different on my relay, and my hologram fan, and my plasma pop bumpers, my photo sensor relay, and my pinspot graphics and my lighted magnetic hinge covers. All of those individual products were out before, I just adapted them and made those technologies work for pinball. Just exactly like you did for your speaker light kits.

Again, I am not knocking you product, I think it is great. Please don't knock my product because I made many changes for them to work on pinball.

Thank you for the comment. Because of your comment we put a decibel meter on the fan, and it come out about 37.5 which is the same as a whisper. We will have a video posted later today to demonstrate. If someone would have asked, I would have done the test and posted, now a bunch of people are thinking it is 60 decibels and their is now even a post comparing to a vacuum.

It has about the sound level of a desk fan. Why does it have about the sound level of a desk fan? BECAUSE IT IS A BASICALLY A DESK FAN!! Think about it, use common sense.

If you want to get the real scoop, hopefully people that see our demo at Pintasic will post on here. Pintasic is a very lit location, and these will be in higher light then there then nearly any one will have these at there home.

It is now getting to the point that I have to defend our product on this thread about information that is not correct. This is getting frustrating and time consuming, this is why many people don't like to come to Pinside.

Thanks Paul for a practical question, you always have positive and quality comments. I don't think that would be necessary. It is very bright, we did most of our tests on this in our shop, which has 6 of the 4 foot fluorescent lights, and the image still looked ineradicable and very bright. I would compare the brightness to a standard television, good chance it is slightly brighter. It is small LED's so it is pretty bright.

Pintastic is going to be a great test for these, because the vendor hall is very bright.

Thank you for the quality comment. We have done many tests on this, and have not hit the limit on time. The memory card can hold 50 files, and we have had 10 minutes of video. I think you could go longer on time with a larger card (we are using 16 G) but we have not tested that.

In our library we are going to include lengths of black, so if you want to space out different videos so they are not all back to back we will do that. Example would be the posted slimmer video is about 30 seconds, you could put that then a 20 second black space then our ecto 1 video, then a black space, then the ghost busters logo, then the black space, then the ghost busters title, then a black space then repeat.

We are making multiple videos for most game so you can stack them or just pick you favorite.

Of course we are making the videos to be the theme of the game.

Dracula is another game we are having difficulty doing videos for. One video we have that runs about a minute is a moon with cloud cover going across it. It is a very nice video, and being that long it is not very repetitive.

We plan on making a lot of videos, and it sounds like some other people may want to also, so the library may be pretty huge by the end of the year. Once you start playing with this, a lot of options come up.

A couple of thoughts about the looping video is one, you won't really be watching it when you are playing, play all toppers (in my opinion) are their to custom and enhance the look of your game, two I guarantee a looped video won't be as boring as a topper on your game that just sits their.

Plus if you get tired of it on one game, get a new video and move it to another game.

I will promise you this, you have this on your game, and you bring your buddies over, it is the first thing they will notice and they will be amazed!!

Thank you for your positive and informative post. You are spot on.

I think a lot of quality feedback will come from Pinfest, you really have to see it to understand it.

I really want to thank the few guys that have posted that have personally seen this technology, it is very amazing.

Remember, this was the first sentence on the first post of this tread:

Imagine if someone was color blind and could only see black and white their entire life, then try to explain color to them. That comparison is how these videos are to the real thing!!

If someone here want to make me a good one, I will pay them. The ability to make a good one for that game is beyond what I am able to do. The knight needs to be close to the one in the game, but not exact, don't want Rick issues. If someone is interested in making it, please PM me.

Yes to shipping to Europe.

I thought all aliens had the yellow siren light on the top of the game? I may be able to make one, but it I don't think it will mount properly with a siren light on top.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU

People don't realize how unmotivating many of these comments are. I was very close to not wanting to make any more comments on this thread. For hours I have had to defend things when I should be working on this product for everyone.

THANK YOU very much for saying what you did.

Also Doug, I know you fiercely protect your product, which I agree with, because it is your child, and it is a great product When I came out with my phtotsensor relay you were impressed with it and you gave me many positive comments. You also know we talked about it many months before Rock Custom Pinball stole my design. You get very upset when people take your idea and make a version of it. Well, I have had so many ideas stolen from me, I decide I am going to call out those that steal my ideas. Do you now support people in the pinball world that steal others people hard work and design innovations?

If calling out people that steal your ideas is wrong, I am sorry, but that is now I feel.

The file format that the fan supports is a bin file. The software that comes with the fan will take a standard video format and convert it to the required format and size, so any standard video format would work.

To make the video's I have to use 4 different programs to do the manipulation I need, but in any format I think I can make it work. As for definition, it does not need to be that high, because I think the software reduces the resolution to work on the fan.

The images look the best with a black background, that gives you the see through effect and gives it the floating appearance. For this reason anything that is black is a bit harder to do. The night has a lot of gold on it which is good, is some of the black was slightly reflective that would be good. You can have black on your image, but you can't have a bunch, and it does not look good if black is on the edges. If the knight was outlined in a red glow, that would take care of a lot of issues. The glow would need to be small, just around the edges.

If someone wants to make on, I will pay, I am not sure I put that in my past offer.

For example many movie clips look very bad on this, because they are to highly detailed.

I understand, that is what many people said about or plasma pop bumpers, and the originals we put on our games 3 years ago still work fine. As a matter of fact we have hauled them over 30,000 miles to different shows. Also, CGC was so happy with the plasma performance that they put thin in their LE monster bash.

I cannot say if your information is correct on way or another, but most of these are made for commercial use, because they do have very limited consumer use. A topper I think is a perfect use.

Do you have documentation?

FLYNNIBUS thank you very much on your support and bring your experience and view point to the discussion. It sounds like you have some practical experience your are sharing with the group.

Thanks Paul. The image is so hypnotic and memorizing that you hardly notice the motor. One video we did was the introduction to the Munsters show in color. I find that videos that take up the entire screen the motor is more visible. I am not sure how to explain it, because you cannot see the motor in those videos, but that 4 inch round area looks a bit different, kind of shinny. On the Twilight Zone intro you don't have that effect, because the Twilight Zone intro has a lot of black and in some area it has stars. We have stars on another video, and stars are really cool, because they are little spots on lights that just hang in the air.

After I get caught up on this project, and taking care of a few other things, I may have to paint the motor housing the color of my wall.

Thanks Doug for the positive comments. Doug, I was sorry if misinterpreted your comments , I felt your comment on the originality of my relay was sarcastic and slightly condescending, but that was my mistake and I apologize.

My main way of thinking is those of use that adapt current technology to adapt them to the pinball work to make the pinball experience more enjoyable should stick together against those that would steal our original ideas to try to make them their own.

That is why I posted the you tube video of our Lighted Magnetic Hinge Cover to demonstrate my product was out for many months before Chris Rock stole my concept to try to make it his.

Because the relay is in this product, I don't want people to think I was stealing Rock idea, when it was he that stole my idea.

Thank you for your comment.

I do understand that thought, and it can be a valid concern, here is a picture of it off with the power cord tapped to the side of the stand.

Also, I want to thank you for being an early adopter and going through many or our growing pains.

People do adapt products so they can fit better. Mustangpaul suggest putting black behind to better improve the performance and hide the motor. Because of his suggestion, it did make me think you could paint the motor housing to match your back wall. I am not saying that is going to work, but as good quality suggestions and more people use them, ways to overcome this or other concerns may be overcome. you cannot paint the long bar because it does house the LED's

We learned on many our products, the least amount of custom work the better. On this product we are trying to make as much of this factory built as possible to limit growing pains. Also, we figured making a library means more choices for everyone and we can better custom your product. Also that means if a new pinball machine comes out, you just need the new software, and you could put your old mod on a new game.

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Thank you for your support.

If it is cracked it probably won't work. I compare a plasma to a neon light. Neon lights are a gas enclosed in glass tubes, and they can run for a heck of a long time as long as the glass is not broken, same thing with the plasma.

The idea of using this with another topper has come up a few times, and as long as you have the clearance for the fan, yes that should work. If you put any kind of light behind the fan, you can see that light, and you will still be able to see the fan.

Using the Monster Bash video on Xenon is a great idea!! I even have a Xenon here and did not think of that. And yes this mod will work with Xenon.

Again, thanks for your idea and support.

Dan

Had some questions about the sound level. I put a decibel meter on my phone, my phone is about a year old.

I start the video with the topper on, and it comes in around 37 decibels, which the program classifieds as a whisper. I would say this is loader then a whisper. I will talk some and the meter jumps in the 60 decibel range, which is the proper range for a conversation. I stop talking and it drops back down to the 37 range.

I would say it is nosier then a whisper not as load as a conversation.

When I was walking through my house, my AC was on, and it was close to that level.

Dougfreeze, no problem, be happy.

Thank you for the positive comments.

Never did put the height.

The stand needs to be assembled, but it is just a few Philips head screws. The reason for this is because it has two plexiglass backs to adjust to your needed height.

The stand is designed with an 8 foot ceiling in mind.

The taller back will make the entire topper height of 17 3/4". This is the stand height we recommend if you can fit it. This stand is designed to work on Stern and Bally/Williams games in areas with an 8' foot ceiling, this should give about 2 inches of clearance.

When the fan blade comes down, the fan blade does not pass on top of the base, it passes above and in front of the base by about 1/2". Basically the stand is 3 1/2" wide, but the motor mount puts the blades out 4". The majority of the weight is on the motor housing, and the 3 1/2" wide base works just fine. YOU NEED TO USE SUPPLIED VELCRO or your fan will walk do to game play vibration.

This configuration will not work if you have a taller game such as a Sega or Gottlieb. This is what the shorter plexiglass back is for. This back will drop the fan rotation below the bottom of the base, so for this to work, the base MUST be lined up with the front edge of your back box, because the fan blade WILL go in front of your back box a little over an inch.

The height of the small stand is closer to 15 1/2", that number is a guess, but it has been tested.

Never an easy answer. But we tried to design this to switch between as many games as possible, and did not want people to have to by extra parts to get this to work on their game.

In saying that, we are thinking about carrying extra memory cards as an add on. this way if you have your videos for one game, if you want to change your topper to another game you don't have to erase your card and write over it.

Yes, with the relay, when you turn on your game, it will turn on the topper. The relay see the light from your game and turns it on.

For the easiest installation you would plug a supplied power supply in your service out (which is power on all of the time).

The topper comes with a 2.5 meter (10 feet extension). The way we would suggest installation is to loosen your woofer and grill, run the extension wire through the gap and secure the woofer and grill down. Run the extension up the back of your game to the topper.

Some games are different, like the Stern metal boxed games, they have a hole on the top of the back box that may be used.

Now the question comes up, What if I don't have a service outlet, like import or spooky games (we have an atomic explosion video). Run an extension cord from a wall outlet through the grill are on the bottom or back of your game. Plug the power supply into the extension. The relay will still turn on your topper when the game is turned on even if you are not using any wiring from the game.

This will also work for over sees games because the included power supply will work up to 240 volts. Those games will need a oversees to US plug adapter which is very available. We should probably carry those also.

We tried hard to make this as flexible as possible.

Thanks, what is the height of your basement? If it is 7 1/2" feet we may be able to make a back to the stand to work at that height. We will look into it.

Thanks for the reply. I live 5 miles from the ocean, so no basement,. 7' 2" would be to low to do anything.

Yes, planning on putting a big note on the top of the packaging box. Because I have been changing the videos so much, and moving it around, I have been bit a few times, never draws blood or cuts, but it does make me move my hand away quick.

At Pintasic we are planning on having a flat piece of clear pleixiglass on the top of the back box to keep inquisitive fingers away. Because of the way the image is, you do really want to touch it for some reason.

I think I did a reply to your question, but I think I read your question wrong, so I answered it wrong.

2 answers. The mod will plug into an electrical outlet, often a service outlet, so you could unplug it pretty easily if you wanted it off sometime.

Better answer. This is come with a photosensor relay. That is a relay that will turn power on and off with the use of a photosensor that is at the end of a 30 inch wire. The relay has a pedometer so you can control how much light will set off the relay to allow electricity to travel through. You can put this relay next to a playfield light and set it so when that play field light turns on and off, it will turn on and off the topper. The only problem is it takes under 1 second for the fan to start turning, and during that time it says "3D hologram" while the fan gets up to speed. That is on the hardware and firmware and I have not been able to remove that.

With the proper placement of the relay, you could make the topper only turn on with that play field light. Of course if the game was in an attract mode the fan would try to turn on and off as that light did.

Thank you for the comment.

You have a few technologies that have been put together for this item:

1. Electricity transfer
2. Motors
3. LED's
4. Computer processors.

To start with, LED Hologram fans have been around for many years. It is more a commercial product. Think about it, how many practical applications are their in the retail market? They have mainly been used for advertising.

I used to sell audio and video a long time ago and their was a rule, if one or two companies were making something it was new technology, when a bunch of companies are making something, that technology is solid. Think about plasma TV's, a 40" Phillips cost $40,000 and they and Mitsubishi were the only companies making them, 10 years later the price dropped to about $500 for a 40" model and 100 companies were making them. I don't know how many companies are making these, but I looked through over 20 different makers, and their are more.

Concern 1:

Someone on this thread mention that these don't use brushes to transfer the electricity, so I started to do some digging. The term brush-less motors has been around for many years, probably 30 or more years. On the old motors, the brushes would wear, with brush-less technology, that is not a problem. If you think about it, you have probably heard the term. A poster on this thread made mention of this, and I have verified, this is tried and true technology that has been around for a long time.

Concern 2:

Motors, and noise from motors, I hope you are not concerned with motors. How long have motors been in fans? I will tell you what, this is the same technology. Heck, I have had the same ceiling fan on in my bedroom for 7 years straight, and only turned off to clean it.

Concern 3:

LED's, this is the youngest of all technologies that are incorporated into this product. It is normally the youngest technology you want to be worried about. If you are worried about LED's you better get out of the pinball hobby fast.

Concern 4:

Microprocessors, Really?

The funny thing about a new technology, is often that new technology is new to you. This industry has been around for over 10 years. As a matter of fact the older models could just use a memory chip, it took them years to figure out how to put wifi in them, and yes the model I am using has wifi.

I have 4 different units that I have had on for 6 months, nearly 24 hours per day. The only time they were off is when we were working on the stand or changing the memory cards. All 4 still work fine. I am only bringing 2 to show, because those are the models I am selling. I am only selling one model, but for testing I have a non wifi and a wifi 17" versions, which is what I am bringing to shows.

1. This specific technology has been around way longer then Jersey Jack
2. All of the individually technologies have been around longer the Stern Pinball
3. The product carry's a 1 year warranty from the manufacture, who here would love a 1 year warranty on your Stern?
4. These are basically commercial units, since that is the main target.

Check into it, this is all established standard technology. I just did a search on Amazon for "led hologram fan", I got 347 listing, that would be a huge number for a questionable technology. But 347 listings for an established product that has a very limited consumer uses is pretty high.

The main limitation on this product is the software (videos). That is why we have been working months to get videos together.

Not sure what more to tell you, but I would rather run one of these 24 hours straight for 6 months then have my new Stern pinball machine play for 24 hours a day for 6 months.

As someone stated earlier in this thread, many people cry for new things in pinball, then when an established technology is transferred to pinball technology people get all concerned.

I am satisfied on the quality of this technology.

In my opinion, If you have concerns about this technology, you should either research the technology until you are satisfied, or wait a few years till you are comfortable with it. One problem with that, is if you wait 5 years to verify the quality of this item, and new technology will come out, and you will need to wait 5 years on that, and so on, and so on. How many of you can remember purchasing computers 20 years ago? Technology was changing so quickly on processor speeds, RAM memory, herd drive space, internet speeds, bus speeds, heat issues and so on, that if you purchased a computer, it was old technology in a month. If you waited to get the newest in computers you were waiting for ever, and were using an old POS. Everyone knows someone like that.

Also, the main source of sound is not the motor, it is the blades cutting through the air. Also they blades are not sharp, more of a curved edge and not designed to cut through the air like a table fan (safer). Because of this, I would say this is a bit more noisy then a table fan.

Thank you Paul. That is what Chuck Norris (he is the one that does the most work here) has said, a lot of people will want it as wall art with some information of each of their games on it.

Many of the questions and suggestions here are good quality, and I don't have a problem answering them. The ones I get frustrated with is when someone that is not knowledgeable states something and I don't want the wrong information to get out. I do think this is by far the best product we have.

Yes, it comes with one micro SD card. You can put up to 50 videos on that one card, 50 is the limit, we hit that limit working on it today. Regardless of what sequence you load videos, it will play in alphabetical order. If you want to play in a particular order, just put an A in front of the first file, then a B in front of the second file.

We are going to put all of the videos available if you purchase one of our LED hologram fans. The memory cards are under $8.

A lot of the videos are very game specific, I think most of the ones I posted were game specific. We also have some titles, again I think I posted a couple of those, but we also have some generic ones, such as a full moon with clouds passing in front of it or atomic explosion or flames (I think I posted that). The generic videos serve a few purposes, they can match many games, but if you are doing it as a topper you can do a sequence of videos. Such as Attack from Mars, I posted the flying saucer shooting a ray, then you could have an explosion then a fire.

Star Wars I think has 8 videos, if you mixed that with some generic videos you could make a pretty good story or video. If you did that, it may be nice to have an extra memory card to make a custom topper for another game. Or just make a few files in your computer, and if you want to move the topper around, you could load from your computer the series of videos you made for that game.

Thank you.

I few of us were in front of or game that had the topper on it. The game was off, and we were talking at standard level and it was not a problem.

Should be about 6 weeks. I will have 2 prototypes in Pinfest, and I hope a few Pinsiders will post their feedback. 2 weeks after that we will be in Atlanta, and I may have the production models by then and hopefully some Pinsiders will give feedback from their also.

The prototypes have the plexiglass stand hand cut, the production models with have the plexiglass laser cut.

Thank you. Yes, we are trying to get a good selection of generic videos that will work on many games. As a matter of fact, I was working on something for pool and f14 the other day, but did not get anything. Often I make some videos that look fine on the computer put it on the fan, and they don't look to good, so we delete them. We are trying to get a good selection of videos on the first 300, a bit of everything. We do have a nice earth, astronaut and I think moon passing in front of the earth.

If their is a web programmer on here that wants to swap some work for some product, email me. We want to have each video on the website, with some game tags, but also listed alphabetical. That way people can look for what they want and give them a try.

All of the web stuff is over my head, and I have not had luck with wed programmers. I know I need to get a lot more bandwidth or what ever it is called on our site for all of the down loads.

Thank you, and yes any ideas would be plus. I think once some get out their I will start getting feedback more on what people want such as specific graphics, lengths of videos and general graphics that will be a huge plus. That is one nice thing about this mod, if you don't like a video for a game, if you wait, hopefully I or someone else will make one that suits your tastes and game better. That is why I call this the Ultimate Pinball Topper, because you can change it, you are not stuck with the one static topper you purchased.

Thank you for the idea. Basically it would be a version with out the stand or relay, just a wall mount and access to the videos. I think I may need to do that, let me talk with Chuck about that.

No promises, but per some requests, I am working on some generic water, space, jet fighter, space ship, pool and ocean life videos. Also I am working on a Black Knight spinning bust.

If you have other requests, please post.

Thanks
Dan

These are the ones on Amazon that sell for between $179 and $250.

Yes, we will do a wall version that will not have the topper stand, power relay or 2.5 meter extension for $199.99. It will come with wall mount and access to all of our videos.

Here is a video of the Ultimate Pinball topper running with Stern Star Wars on with volume of 9 or 10, I was switching between the 2 so you could see the sound level on the screen. I picked volume of 10 because it was a round number. I don't think you can even hear the fan.

Also, a little of love for the Alien and space question guys.

Most of the 4 blade ones are larger. These are 17 inches which makes the circle diameter about 53 inches, you have 2 lights (arms), so a light travel 27 inches to give you that effect. If you make the arms twice as long, lets say 34 inches the light needs to travel about 50 inches to give you that effect. Because the distance is longer, it does not look as good. The solution is to have more (4) arms on the larger ones so the distance traveled is not as long.

I hope I explained that in a way some one can understand it.

They are not very load, that part of the discussion got a bit out of hand from people that did not have first hand knowledge of the product. I think as a topper, 99% of the people are going to be fine with the amount of sound they make.

We have been thinking about using it as wall art and feel it may be best to be covered. We are working on an option plexiglass shield to cover the fan for wall art or a topper. It would be 2 different designs. I will update when we get prototypes for those. It will be after Pintastic.

Yes, that is was makes the product. The fan is useless without the videos.

We are currently using 2 different process to make videos.

We will be working on 2 new process to make videos. One we are experimenting on is a spinning bust of the Dark Knight, it will be slightly different to avoid copyright infringement, but close enough to match. On the Black Knight process, I want to give a call out to JEFFSPINBALLPALACE for doing some work on helping me and the testing this process.

The forth process we will be testing with Iron Maiden. This process has been kind of expensive to set up, but if works properly will give us a huge selection to work with.

We are going to push to try to have prototypes of both of these processes completed by the Atlanta show.

By calling them the processes is as much information about them you will get out of me, because those are the secret sauce to this mod.

We will defiantly have over 300 videos done by 8-1-2019. Another Pinsider is helping me with the website process. The website process is also a very important part to get the videos out properly, and the website part is completely beyond my capability.

Also, I would like to thank those of you that have given me some good feedback to help refine this project. The feedback has been given to me both on this forum and in PM's

That Lord of the Rings ring video is one of my favorites. We have 2 versions of that. Also we have a nice one of the eye.

1. Yes
2. We should have every thing ready to go on 8-1-2019
3. Someone just mention how good the ring video would look in The Hobbit, we also have a few dragons in the Generic videos.
4. We have not found a background that these don't look good on. The video is a bunch of LED's that are very bright. The background does not effect what you are looking at, the back ground gives you depth, which gives you the 3D effect. If you have read me talking about black background, that is in the video itself. The objects on the videos need black as the background because with black, the LED's don't light up, which gives the object on the video the floating effect.

I will get a video in the shop or someplace so you can see the background is not an issue. I probably won't have that video till after Pintastic

Thank you.

We are planing on having a few for each title. Their are a lot of titles, and we are trying to have a good selection of many titles to start, but may not be as deep of a selection. On Pirates, the video we posted is longer, we have a pirate ship, the game title, a jolly roger and Captain Jack steering a ship.

On the main titles we want videos that are very game specific, such as the video you saw, the title and Captain Jack. Then we are trying to get a set of generic videos, such as the pirate ship and Jolly Roger. The reason in because the pirate ship and jolly roger could be used on other game such as Black Rose or other pirate games.

Black in the background is very important, this does not make a good television, and you need the transparent (black, light off) to give the best effect. I have not had a problem putting black in the back. I would say a bigger challenge is your videos needs to be in a 1 to 1 ratio, then your corners get cut off because that gets transformed to a circle. It is not so much as a challenge, as it take a little bit to get used to it.

I am hoping people like like to tinker will make some and to our library to help everyone in the community. With a little tinkering, you can make a good video without much problem.

We are getting positive feedback on using this as game room wall art, because of this we are going to make some arcade game videos, but that will not be our main focus. Pinball will be or main focus.

We will also have a small guy room selection.

I expect this project will be my main project for many months to come.

Dan

Art, thanks for your words of wisdom like normal. Yes, you are very correct. You even need specialized software to do the best work. That is part of the reason that movies don't look that good on these. We use outside programmers to do a lot of our best quality 3D work. Black Knight is going to cost about $500 just for the programming.

I would say their are levels of 3D quality on the videos.

Best - if you look at Gun's N Roses, Slimmer, the titles, Lord of the rings, motorcycle some ironmen and some others are incredible.

Good - Things like the batman intro fall into this category. Because they have a good back ground and have movements towards you.

OK - We have a color version of the Munsters intro and an AC/DC concert, that will will fall into this category. It looks OK to look at, but it is not much more then a monitor. This is by far, by far the smallest category of videos we have.

Everything looks more 3D on these fans then a monitor because of the movement, contrast and you can see through the image. Part of the reason a movie clip does not do much more then a monitor, is because you cannot see through the movie to get the depth.

An update on videos, we currently have 300 done. Of those 300, about 50 are titles, and for the game room wall art, we did 35 classic video games from the early 80's. I hope to have about 500 videos at launch on 8-1-2019. I will be focusing on video product for the next 3 weeks, after that I expect it to take 2 weeks to get them all posted in a format that will be easy to use.

The guy that did the motorcycle for us is also doing the Black Knight, we hope to have Black Knight ready at Pinfest, it is going to be close. We are doing 3 versions of the Black Knight, first is him waist high with a flail and shield, second is him waist high with a sword and shield, the third will be a bust. All spinning.

I am sure everyone has thought about this but to sum it up here are your choices on toppers going forward. Purchase a plexiglass topper with some graphics that can change LED colors for about $250 or purchases a Stern topper for $500. Or you can purchase or LPM ultimate topper that will give you a few choices per game of topper graphics, that appears 3D and gives millions of colors, that if you sell your game, you can transfer this topper to another game and not lose any value for $250.

I feel the choice is clear, and when you have this topper.wall art on, this is going to be the first thing any one that looks at your game will notice.

I won't post any more clips before Pinfest, but before Atlanta I hope to post some videos with these on different backgrounds

Also in regards to Brtlkat comment, if you are going to purchase your own LED hologram fan, you better check the consumer reports review of these, because not all LED Hologram fans are the same, that is why we purchased a selection of the, and put them through the testing. You could end spending that money, and it may not work for what you want it to. And per his comment about having an outside area for trading of videos, I guess you could get that now going to the LED hologram fans forums.

What a great looking area. You don't know what to look at first.

Everyone that has commented on the topper at Pintasic has been amazed and positive. I hope some people that have seen it first had will post.

In talking to many people, the suggestion of having the video files public, allowing people to download and share the videos they have made is coming up a lot. Does anyone know a website that would be good for that? Maybe something like the Pinsound community.

Thank you for your post. I will put you on my order list, and email you when ready.

All of the main work has been done, I wanted to have 300 videos when we launch, and we have that and expect to have much more then that at launch. We have everything needed for production except one item, and it has been shipped.

We had some really good feedback, and we have 3 accessory items we want to make prototypes of before we start selling online, because they were brought up a few times at the show:

1. A shield for the topper. I think everyone that saw it was amazed how quite it was. The top of a machine is over 6 feet, so it is pretty safe up their, but some people were interested. We have made a prototype of this shield, but we may update that prototype slightly.

2. We will be selling a wall art unit, which we have everything for, but we also want to make a plexiglass shield for this. I think we have everything here for it and will be working on the prototype for that this week.

3. A lot of basements in the world. We live on the river, 5 miles from the ocean at about 3 feet about see level so no basements in our area, I we did not even think about it. We are going to work on a stand to use the topper in a 7' foot ceiling. We are not sure how that is going to work, but we are doing a prototype for that this week.

The next thing we got a lot of feedback from at the show was a level of open community that people can add video's and other features for the hologram projector. I have a good programmer that has been able to give me real good guidance, him and I are trying to have the best environment to start with. Many people want to make videos for themselves, and we want a community that people can share. We are not going to be selling any videos, but we are making a huge library to support the product. This product is only as good as videos.

This paragraph is important, but I won't answer many questions on this, because it is above my ability. I talked in depth on this product with many people at the show. One feature this product has that I do not talk about is it does have wifi capabilities. I do not feel the program that controls the wifi is very stable. The wifi is not needed for the product to function properly, it is just an additional feature. I talked with 2 people that are smarter then me that said if the fan has wifi capabilities they could make it interactive. Both of these people said they would enjoy tinkering on this aspect but felt it was important to have a community that not only houses the videos, but also has some kind of forum capabilities to work on these features as a community. PLEASE DO NOT ASK ME THIS ASPECT OF A WIFI PROJECT, IT IS SOMETHING I PERSONALLY AM NOT ABLE TO DO.

Because we feel setting up the proper community is huge, we may not be shipping till 8-15-2019, but it could be 8-1-2019. The proper website to support the videos will be very, very important, and that one item is mainly going to dictate the launch date. I will also post on this thread when we list. If you PM me I will put you on our preorder list.

Dan

I took a few videos, I will try to post them in the next week. We may get our main shipment before the Atlanta show (11 days from now). If we do we plan on setting up about 8 fans to demonstrate a larger selection of videos. We had 100 different video's on display at Pintastic.

If we get 8 fans up in Atlanta, we will have a lot of videos then.

Dan

Thank you so much for this comment, I got GREAT NEWS for you.

We did a short video of a concert of AC/DC for the fan, but we could only show 100 videos at Pintastic, and we decided not to show that one.

This is part of the reason this is the Ultimate Topper, you can make your own very quick. The product comes with the software to convert any standard video to the LED Hologram format.

Go to Youtube and find a Metallic concert you like, their is a huge selection, because I looked. Get an app/plugin/program to capture the video from Youtube. We use ClipGrab because the program is fee and is very easy to use. Use ClipGrab, down load the video and put it in the LED Hologram fan program to convert it and done. I would suggest using some video manipulation program that can do very simple feature such as brightness and cropping to manipulate the video slightly to use between the programs to give a slightly more polished video, but it is not needed.

I will try to get you a few Metallica concerts for the video selection for you.

Here is an example of a Youtube video. I LOVE Creature from the Black Lagoon. One of the coolest videos for this game I thought was the old drive in videos with the dancing candy!! Can you think of a better topper for Creature then those videos?? I have added a few of those videos to our library and they were from YouTube.

Also remember you can stack up to 50 videos. You could do a concert clip then the 3D Metallica logo (which we have) then another concert clip, 3D Metallica logo. You can do this up to 50 videos. If you put them in order, every time you use the 3D Metallica logo it would count as a video.

Dan

Thank you for the feedback. I think I remember talking with you. We do have a few cat videos, but per the 2 above posts, find your favorite cat videos on Youtube and you can make your own. Please post any new videos on our community when done.

Dan

Yes, both the wall mount version and the topper version will come with a wall mount.

Thank you very much, great looking video. Thank you also for all your support of the pinball community.

Dan

The topper version comes with 2 height stands. The tallest version is 17 3/4" tall, the short version is about 2 inches shorter.

We are working on a stand that will be 9 inches tall. Not sure if that will work or how it will work, but hope to have the prototype done in 10 days.

Dan

Got it, thank you.

Dan

YES! YES! YES! That is why this is the ultimate topper! Video only, no audio.

We had one customer that has leagues, and he is going to put league footage on them for a prize to that player with best game.

You can put any video on these you want. I am not sure of the maximum time length yet, that will take some testing.

The question came up about pictures, if you want to do something that is a picture, you would need to make a video of it. Example, if you had a great 4" Deadpool figure you wanted to use as a topper, but it was to small. Lay that figure on a black cloth and video that figure. you may want to crop it, I think Windows movie maker will do that, and comes with all windows. Many phones can crop also. BINGO, you now have an 17" topper that is hanging in space on your game from you 4" figure. The reason for the black cloth background, is because the black gives you the transparent look as in the videos.

The resolution is not that high on these, but they still look great! Most phones will have high enough resolution to make great videos for this.

Dan

Thank you, got it.

Thank you Paul, I have you on the list.

Dan

Got you on the list, Thank you. Judging from you picture, you may want this for Twilight Zone, if so, great news, We have been able to get videos to both versions of the IGT slot machine topper, and they look great on the topper.

We pushed our date back to 8-15-2019 delivery, and we are looking good on that date.

We have hundreds of videos done, we have to upload them.

We have all materials here and are putting packages together.

I am working on manuals and video instructions now.

Our web guy is getting our password protected area done.

We have the software to concert most video formats to the fan format. We have the software to download a video from most major video sites. We have the software to let you trim a video that you have. The 2 last programs are very good quality freeware programs, but doing manuals on just the features you will use now.

We had to make a change. When you purchase the topper, you are going to get a good selection of general videos, and one or two videos for most games. You will need to download these. On many games we going to have a more in depth selection, when you purchase a fan, you will get one in depth game selection. If you want another in depth game selection, it would be $19.99.

The videos you can download will be through a password protected portion of our site. A selection of videos you can view so you can see what you are purchasing will be in another location. On the area to view videos, we are not sure if we are going to give a few second preview, or a longer preview with a water mark.

We are putting together a great selection for Jurassic Park

I don't think I do, but thanks for the input, I will see if I can get something.

Don't have anything for CC yet, it will probably be over a month before I get any CC done.

The topper version will be on a base, basically like you see in the first few posts, no enclosure. We will also be selling a plexiglass shield for the topper, it is probably be $79.99. We will also have a plexiglass shield for the wall mount version, should be $79.99 also.

Everyone that asked to be on the list, I have added you to the list.

Thanks
Dan

You will be on the first set.

We are trying to make a very good selection for Jurassic park. In the base of hundreds will have some dinosaurs and nice title that the Trex bites.

On the Jurassic Park set you will get the base 300+, and it should have:

3 title videos
over 6 dinosaurs videos
Computer screen when they were trying to break into the computer
Computer screen that controls the park
The large gate
A few vehicles
Jurassic park flag
Mosquito in amber

I got Leia hologram, it will be in Star Wars set. I think the Star Wars set has about 25 videos. Most Star Wars videos are short.

Yes, thank you for the feedback, we received that feedback at the shows also. Firepower was also specifically mentioned to us. We have a few jets.

We are separating videos into 9 categories:

Animals - fish in water category
Arcade
Cars-ships-transportation
monster-horror
music
other
space-sky
sports
superheros
water
weapons

We did get a lot of requests for pool and their are over 10 for pool videos in the set.

Please give me some examples of what you would want for fantasy themes?

We talked at long length with a copyright attorney. Nearly everything we have is computer generated or using models. All of the videos that we will show you just need to be downloaded and converted. Converting a video is about as easy as copy and paste. We won't be selling or shipping any videos, we will be giving you the location of the videos. We will put the videos up, that is part of what is taking so long, this has been a huge project.

All of our videos will be on a public domain, so if a person or company feels some work is violating their IP, they can have it quickly and easily removed.

Many people wanted the ability to take movie clips, to put that on the fan, for that reason we went through a bunch of software to find what we felt works the best for free.

As we said at the shows we went to, then main value of this product is getting videos. Having this product with no videos is like having a car with no gas. And the videos are what it taking the most amount of time.

We do have a pirate ship.

Yes, I think you are one of the first on the list for 2. I think you sent me a PM.

The manuals, doing the sales copy and posting the videos are the main goal for the next 2 weeks. Hope to start showing stuff in about a week.