Thank you for the comment. Because of your comment we put a decibel meter on the fan, and it come out about 37.5 which is the same as a whisper. We will have a video posted later today to demonstrate. If someone would have asked, I would have done the test and posted, now a bunch of people are thinking it is 60 decibels and their is now even a post comparing to a vacuum.

It has about the sound level of a desk fan. Why does it have about the sound level of a desk fan? BECAUSE IT IS A BASICALLY A DESK FAN!! Think about it, use common sense.

If you want to get the real scoop, hopefully people that see our demo at Pintasic will post on here. Pintasic is a very lit location, and these will be in higher light then there then nearly any one will have these at there home.

It is now getting to the point that I have to defend our product on this thread about information that is not correct. This is getting frustrating and time consuming, this is why many people don't like to come to Pinside.

Thanks Paul for a practical question, you always have positive and quality comments. I don't think that would be necessary. It is very bright, we did most of our tests on this in our shop, which has 6 of the 4 foot fluorescent lights, and the image still looked ineradicable and very bright. I would compare the brightness to a standard television, good chance it is slightly brighter. It is small LED's so it is pretty bright.

Pintastic is going to be a great test for these, because the vendor hall is very bright.

Thank you for the quality comment. We have done many tests on this, and have not hit the limit on time. The memory card can hold 50 files, and we have had 10 minutes of video. I think you could go longer on time with a larger card (we are using 16 G) but we have not tested that.

In our library we are going to include lengths of black, so if you want to space out different videos so they are not all back to back we will do that. Example would be the posted slimmer video is about 30 seconds, you could put that then a 20 second black space then our ecto 1 video, then a black space, then the ghost busters logo, then the black space, then the ghost busters title, then a black space then repeat.

We are making multiple videos for most game so you can stack them or just pick you favorite.

Of course we are making the videos to be the theme of the game.

Dracula is another game we are having difficulty doing videos for. One video we have that runs about a minute is a moon with cloud cover going across it. It is a very nice video, and being that long it is not very repetitive.

We plan on making a lot of videos, and it sounds like some other people may want to also, so the library may be pretty huge by the end of the year. Once you start playing with this, a lot of options come up.

A couple of thoughts about the looping video is one, you won't really be watching it when you are playing, play all toppers (in my opinion) are their to custom and enhance the look of your game, two I guarantee a looped video won't be as boring as a topper on your game that just sits their.

Plus if you get tired of it on one game, get a new video and move it to another game.

I will promise you this, you have this on your game, and you bring your buddies over, it is the first thing they will notice and they will be amazed!!

Thank you for your positive and informative post. You are spot on.

I think a lot of quality feedback will come from Pinfest, you really have to see it to understand it.

I really want to thank the few guys that have posted that have personally seen this technology, it is very amazing.

Remember, this was the first sentence on the first post of this tread:

Imagine if someone was color blind and could only see black and white their entire life, then try to explain color to them. That comparison is how these videos are to the real thing!!

If someone here want to make me a good one, I will pay them. The ability to make a good one for that game is beyond what I am able to do. The knight needs to be close to the one in the game, but not exact, don't want Rick issues. If someone is interested in making it, please PM me.

Yes to shipping to Europe.

I thought all aliens had the yellow siren light on the top of the game? I may be able to make one, but it I don't think it will mount properly with a siren light on top.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU

People don't realize how unmotivating many of these comments are. I was very close to not wanting to make any more comments on this thread. For hours I have had to defend things when I should be working on this product for everyone.

THANK YOU very much for saying what you did.

Also Doug, I know you fiercely protect your product, which I agree with, because it is your child, and it is a great product When I came out with my phtotsensor relay you were impressed with it and you gave me many positive comments. You also know we talked about it many months before Rock Custom Pinball stole my design. You get very upset when people take your idea and make a version of it. Well, I have had so many ideas stolen from me, I decide I am going to call out those that steal my ideas. Do you now support people in the pinball world that steal others people hard work and design innovations?

If calling out people that steal your ideas is wrong, I am sorry, but that is now I feel.

The file format that the fan supports is a bin file. The software that comes with the fan will take a standard video format and convert it to the required format and size, so any standard video format would work.

To make the video's I have to use 4 different programs to do the manipulation I need, but in any format I think I can make it work. As for definition, it does not need to be that high, because I think the software reduces the resolution to work on the fan.

The images look the best with a black background, that gives you the see through effect and gives it the floating appearance. For this reason anything that is black is a bit harder to do. The night has a lot of gold on it which is good, is some of the black was slightly reflective that would be good. You can have black on your image, but you can't have a bunch, and it does not look good if black is on the edges. If the knight was outlined in a red glow, that would take care of a lot of issues. The glow would need to be small, just around the edges.

If someone wants to make on, I will pay, I am not sure I put that in my past offer.

For example many movie clips look very bad on this, because they are to highly detailed.

I understand, that is what many people said about or plasma pop bumpers, and the originals we put on our games 3 years ago still work fine. As a matter of fact we have hauled them over 30,000 miles to different shows. Also, CGC was so happy with the plasma performance that they put thin in their LE monster bash.

I cannot say if your information is correct on way or another, but most of these are made for commercial use, because they do have very limited consumer use. A topper I think is a perfect use.

Do you have documentation?

FLYNNIBUS thank you very much on your support and bring your experience and view point to the discussion. It sounds like you have some practical experience your are sharing with the group.

Thanks Paul. The image is so hypnotic and memorizing that you hardly notice the motor. One video we did was the introduction to the Munsters show in color. I find that videos that take up the entire screen the motor is more visible. I am not sure how to explain it, because you cannot see the motor in those videos, but that 4 inch round area looks a bit different, kind of shinny. On the Twilight Zone intro you don't have that effect, because the Twilight Zone intro has a lot of black and in some area it has stars. We have stars on another video, and stars are really cool, because they are little spots on lights that just hang in the air.

After I get caught up on this project, and taking care of a few other things, I may have to paint the motor housing the color of my wall.

Thanks Doug for the positive comments. Doug, I was sorry if misinterpreted your comments , I felt your comment on the originality of my relay was sarcastic and slightly condescending, but that was my mistake and I apologize.

My main way of thinking is those of use that adapt current technology to adapt them to the pinball work to make the pinball experience more enjoyable should stick together against those that would steal our original ideas to try to make them their own.

That is why I posted the you tube video of our Lighted Magnetic Hinge Cover to demonstrate my product was out for many months before Chris Rock stole my concept to try to make it his.

Because the relay is in this product, I don't want people to think I was stealing Rock idea, when it was he that stole my idea.

Thank you for your comment.

I do understand that thought, and it can be a valid concern, here is a picture of it off with the power cord tapped to the side of the stand.

Also, I want to thank you for being an early adopter and going through many or our growing pains.

People do adapt products so they can fit better. Mustangpaul suggest putting black behind to better improve the performance and hide the motor. Because of his suggestion, it did make me think you could paint the motor housing to match your back wall. I am not saying that is going to work, but as good quality suggestions and more people use them, ways to overcome this or other concerns may be overcome. you cannot paint the long bar because it does house the LED's

We learned on many our products, the least amount of custom work the better. On this product we are trying to make as much of this factory built as possible to limit growing pains. Also, we figured making a library means more choices for everyone and we can better custom your product. Also that means if a new pinball machine comes out, you just need the new software, and you could put your old mod on a new game.

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Thank you for your support.

If it is cracked it probably won't work. I compare a plasma to a neon light. Neon lights are a gas enclosed in glass tubes, and they can run for a heck of a long time as long as the glass is not broken, same thing with the plasma.

The idea of using this with another topper has come up a few times, and as long as you have the clearance for the fan, yes that should work. If you put any kind of light behind the fan, you can see that light, and you will still be able to see the fan.

Using the Monster Bash video on Xenon is a great idea!! I even have a Xenon here and did not think of that. And yes this mod will work with Xenon.

Again, thanks for your idea and support.

Dan

Had some questions about the sound level. I put a decibel meter on my phone, my phone is about a year old.

I start the video with the topper on, and it comes in around 37 decibels, which the program classifieds as a whisper. I would say this is loader then a whisper. I will talk some and the meter jumps in the 60 decibel range, which is the proper range for a conversation. I stop talking and it drops back down to the 37 range.

I would say it is nosier then a whisper not as load as a conversation.

When I was walking through my house, my AC was on, and it was close to that level.

Dougfreeze, no problem, be happy.

Thank you for the positive comments.

Never did put the height.

The stand needs to be assembled, but it is just a few Philips head screws. The reason for this is because it has two plexiglass backs to adjust to your needed height.

The stand is designed with an 8 foot ceiling in mind.

The taller back will make the entire topper height of 17 3/4". This is the stand height we recommend if you can fit it. This stand is designed to work on Stern and Bally/Williams games in areas with an 8' foot ceiling, this should give about 2 inches of clearance.

When the fan blade comes down, the fan blade does not pass on top of the base, it passes above and in front of the base by about 1/2". Basically the stand is 3 1/2" wide, but the motor mount puts the blades out 4". The majority of the weight is on the motor housing, and the 3 1/2" wide base works just fine. YOU NEED TO USE SUPPLIED VELCRO or your fan will walk do to game play vibration.

This configuration will not work if you have a taller game such as a Sega or Gottlieb. This is what the shorter plexiglass back is for. This back will drop the fan rotation below the bottom of the base, so for this to work, the base MUST be lined up with the front edge of your back box, because the fan blade WILL go in front of your back box a little over an inch.

The height of the small stand is closer to 15 1/2", that number is a guess, but it has been tested.

Never an easy answer. But we tried to design this to switch between as many games as possible, and did not want people to have to by extra parts to get this to work on their game.

In saying that, we are thinking about carrying extra memory cards as an add on. this way if you have your videos for one game, if you want to change your topper to another game you don't have to erase your card and write over it.

Yes, with the relay, when you turn on your game, it will turn on the topper. The relay see the light from your game and turns it on.

For the easiest installation you would plug a supplied power supply in your service out (which is power on all of the time).

The topper comes with a 2.5 meter (10 feet extension). The way we would suggest installation is to loosen your woofer and grill, run the extension wire through the gap and secure the woofer and grill down. Run the extension up the back of your game to the topper.

Some games are different, like the Stern metal boxed games, they have a hole on the top of the back box that may be used.

Now the question comes up, What if I don't have a service outlet, like import or spooky games (we have an atomic explosion video). Run an extension cord from a wall outlet through the grill are on the bottom or back of your game. Plug the power supply into the extension. The relay will still turn on your topper when the game is turned on even if you are not using any wiring from the game.

This will also work for over sees games because the included power supply will work up to 240 volts. Those games will need a oversees to US plug adapter which is very available. We should probably carry those also.

We tried hard to make this as flexible as possible.

Thanks, what is the height of your basement? If it is 7 1/2" feet we may be able to make a back to the stand to work at that height. We will look into it.

Thanks for the reply. I live 5 miles from the ocean, so no basement,. 7' 2" would be to low to do anything.