Vancouver, BC
Tyamry - that’s right near me - I’m not looking for another ... but am curious about how it’s mystery feature works
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Holt, MI
Quoted from RyanClaytor:1947 Exhibit "Mystery"
Gonna see if I can contact them about the S/I card. Mine is totally missing.
Quoted from AlexF:There was a 1933 Genco 42nd Street on Milwaukee Craigslist yesterday for $60. Looked nice. I was so excited but you just know a deal like that rarely works out.
Searched and didn't find it. Must be gone. 
Okay, wow. Just looked up that title on IPDB. How interesting...
That's a ton of diverters. Very neat! ...and also, that's a really early example of the around-the-playfield launch as seen on 2003's Nascar:
...but I thought the origin of that layout was 1948 Williams "Speedy Way":
I didn't realize it had FLIPPERLESS origins...and in the early 30's, no less! Way cool.
Yeah, it was nicer than the one pictured. Although the cab had been repainted. Looked nicely done though. One of those that is super cheap and you discover it while your at work. You just know it's going to be gone in a short time and there isn't much you can do about it.
Quoted from RyanClaytor:I didn't realize it had FLIPPERLESS origins...and in the early 30's, no less! Way cool.
There are quite a few games in the 30s with that entry style - plunging at the right strength takes a lot of practice.
Here's a neat lookin' 1946 Bally "Surf Queens"
ebay.com link: 1946 Bally SURF QUEENS Pinball Machine
Quoted from bingopodcast:Gonna see if I can contact them about the S/I card. Mine is totally missing.
The card on the Mystery game at the Tulsa auction was missing a chunk of copy Nick. I took a photo for you anyway and will send it to you when I get to the rest of the auction photos.
Quoted from DennisDodel:The card on the Mystery game at the Tulsa auction was missing a chunk of copy Nick. I took a photo for you anyway and will send it to you when I get to the rest of the auction photos.
Missing some text is better than missing all text! 
Thank you, Dennis.
Keeney Big Six in Grand Island, Nebraska:
grandisland.craigslist.org link
(Not mine, but just a few blocks from me. If anyone wants to make a run at it I'd be happy to help)
Quoted from cjmiller:Keeney Big Six in Grand Island, Nebraska:
grandisland.craigslist.org link
(Not mine, but just a few blocks from me. If anyone wants to make a run at it I'd be happy to help)
Quoted from Pecos:Might be some parts here that you can use.
dayton.craigslist.org link
Thanks for the assist, guys! Here's another couple...
Gottlieb Stage Door Canteen and Drum Major:
Here's another interesting ad, this time for Williams' last flipperless game:
1947 Williams "Bonanza":
westernmass.craigslist.org link
...in a different cab! Can anyone identify the cab this was swapped into?
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Looks like IPDB (and the original flyer) show the game with a pegasus on the cab:
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Quoted from RyanClaytor:Here's another interesting ad, this time for Williams' last flipperless game:
1947 Williams "Bonanza":
westernmass.craigslist.org link
...in a different cab! Can anyone identify the cab this was swapped into?Looks like IPDB (and the original flyer) show the game with a pegasus on the cab:
That's a cab for Ginger: http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=1008
My Bonanza has a pegasus cab...also used on 51 Hayburners. The coolest thing about this era games is the schematic is built right into the circuit board - check out my pic of the interior of Bonanza: http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=346&picno=53925
That games in nice shape for 250...especially the BG - but it's got the added flippers. Understandable, but always a bummer...
Sean
Quoted from Stoomer:schematic is built right into the circuit board
I've always loved that on those games - hope to own or work on one one day!
Quoted from RyanClaytor:Can anyone identify the cab this was swapped into?
Quoted from Stoomer:That's a cab for Ginger: http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=1008
Color me impressed. Nice work, Sean!
Quoted from Stoomer:The coolest thing about this era games is the schematic is built right into the circuit board - check out my pic of the interior of Bonanza: http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=346&picno=53925
Holy hell. I guess you never have to worry about losing the schematic. Wow. Now, the top right of that looks like it's a piece of black paper, but is the rest of that backbox board SCREENPRINTED?
That would be amazing...
Quoted from RyanClaytor:but is the rest of that backbox board SCREENPRINTED?
Yep. The paper you see is a print/schematic. Relay identification and motor stuff is printed right onto the bottom board. Beats having a mouse come and chew it all up.
1940 Genco "Four Roses"
philadelphia.craigslist.org link
"Circa 1948 Genco "Four Roses" pinball machine
Complete and last used 10 years ago.
Playfield is clean, no serious signs of wear.
Backlight is clean little separation
Coin receiver works
All playfield bumpers work(ed) last time out.
Needs playfield glass and front wood rail that holds glass in."
They're asking $1200. 
No pix in the ad. This one's from IPDB:
Quoted from RyanClaytor:1940 Genco "Four Roses"
philadelphia.craigslist.org link
"Circa 1948 Genco "Four Roses" pinball machine
Complete and last used 10 years ago.
Playfield is clean, no serious signs of wear.
Backlight is clean little separation
Coin receiver works
All playfield bumpers work(ed) last time out.
Needs playfield glass and front wood rail that holds glass in."
They're asking $1200. No pix in the ad. This one's from IPDB:
Hey @ryanclaytor....I was under the impression that only Metro used those "liberty bell" style bumpers...then came along Four Roses!! So I went and looked...turns out they used those on 5 games in a row, with this Four Roses being the last.
So maybe finding bumpers for the Metro will be a little easier - never heard back from that Metro PF wall hanger those ebayers wanted 500 for...and it didn't sell. Ces't la vie I guess....
Dude Ranch - Four roses all used those - snip from IPDB:
Quoted from Tyamry:This one was just posted on Seattle's Craiglist.
seattle.craigslist.org link
Really good price on this one. I sold mine for $1500.00 a few years ago. Mine was not in as good of shape as this one.
Quoted from Stoomer:Hey ryanclaytor....I was under the impression that only Metro used those "liberty bell" style bumpers...then came along Four Roses!! So I went and looked...turns out they used those on 5 games in a row, with this Four Roses being the last.
So maybe finding bumpers for the Metro will be a little easier
Quoted from Tyamry:This one was just posted on Seattle's Craiglist.
seattle.craigslist.org link
O.
M.
G.
Looks gorgeous. Tremendous find, Tyamry.
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In other news...
1940 Genco "Blondie"
kansascity.craigslist.org link
No pix. Here's one from IPDB:
Happy Thursday!
Quoted from Tyamry:This one was just posted on Seattle's Craiglist.
seattle.craigslist.org link
Someone grab this now. That thing is georgous! Wonder if he would ship?
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:Wonder if he would ship?
Don't know, but I've asked. 
Edit: just heard back, unfortunately, this is going to someone local to the seller. Seller seems like a nice guy - kind and thorough response to my inquiry.
So there's a "1931 pinball machine" buried in this estate sale in South Carolina:
charleston.craigslist.org link
Somebody let us know what it is when you pick it up!
1947 United "Singapore"
ebay.com link: 1940s woodrail pinball machine
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1942 Genco "Defense" (Framed Backglass only):
ebay.com link: Original Antique Vintage Pinball Machine BackGlass WWII theme DEFENSE
...still nary a documented playfield ( http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=3043&picno=65032 )
Quoted from cjmiller:Keeney Big Six in Grand Island, Nebraska:
grandisland.craigslist.org link
(Not mine, but just a few blocks from me. If anyone wants to make a run at it I'd be happy to help)
Looks pretty nice - $500:
grandisland.craigslist.org link
Quoted from RyanClaytor:Okay, who is going to be the hero to restore this one:
1947 Chicago Coin "Kilroy" ...coffee table.
Saw that.....just, couldn't, convince myself.
Too bad they took all the gears out of the head, they left them all in the bottom which is good. Cut the legs which is bad, lol. Playfield looks good. Would be nice if someone had a project Kilroy and needed a better playfield. Love the plunger case, looks great.
Quoted from Matesamo:Would be nice if someone had a project Kilroy and needed a better playfield.
Quoted from AlexF:Seems worth it in parts to the right guy.
Alright, you cannibals.
...I mean, I know you're probably right, I just hate to see another bite the dust.
Quoted from RyanClaytor:Also...
1943 United "Arizona"
milwaukee.craigslist.org link
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Quoted from AlexF:I hate to see a game die also. If it was just the legs cut it wouldn't be that big of a deal. It's the missing head mechanicals that make it seem like too much trouble. For me anyway.
It's true. Just...a bummer.
BUT!!!
Quoted from Hula:Cleaned up rather nicely!
Wow-wow-wow!!! I'll say!!! Nice rescue, Hula!!! 
Quoted from RyanClaytor:1940 Genco "Four Roses"
Relisted near Philly:
philadelphia.craigslist.org link
...and...
Quoted from Pecos:1938 Swing Pinball Machine by Chicago Coin Machine Co. - RARE - $400
...also relisted in the San Francisco Bay Area with a newly increased price ($500)?
1940 Chicago Coin "Sporty" - $1000 
:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1998099290466425
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Hey everybody, I'm new here and hoping to collect info on a restoration project. I picked up a 1947 United's Hawaii flipperless machine on eBay last week and I figured that the online community for this sort of thing would be a pretty strong resource. I plugged it in and was pleasantly surprised to find that it almost works! But it does have some issues. I'm going to start with cleaning it up and replacing the burnt out bulbs, missing inserts and rubber rings. Does anyone know what size the small inserts are? It seems like the best fit would be 5/8" but I'm not sure. Also I was thinking about replacing the bulbs with LEDs to use less power and expose the inserts and backglass paint to less heat...is that advisable? If so what size bulbs do I get? I'd really appreciate and info you guys can share! Thanks!
Quoted from Flukebat:Does anyone know what size the small inserts are?
Unfortunately, no - get a set of calipers to measure accurately, then contact the Pinball Resource to see if they have that size. That said, are you certain that the inserts are no under the playfield, stuck under something on the bottom of the game? I realize the bottom of the game is probably pretty empty, but you'd be surprised with how much junk can accumulate in the bottom of the game. 
You may be able to push one of the other inserts out from underneath the playfield (through the top) to make measuring easier and more accurate, but using a caliper on top of the playfield should be good enough.
Quoted from Flukebat:Also I was thinking about replacing the bulbs with LEDs to use less power and expose the inserts and backglass paint to less heat...is that advisable?
Not to me, but everyone has their own opinion. The color/warmth of light is not the same, and you can get bulbs that require less power to light and therefore produce less heat. 47s will be fine. And now you know my opinion. The game would have originally come with 44s. There may be one or two larger bulbs in the backglass - pull those there should be a number printed on the side. If you need to replace them, go for it, but the larger bulbs generally last for a while. When I get a game, I pull all the bulbs I intend to keep and test them with a 9V battery (quickly).
Aside from this, as far as lighting, you may wish to replace the bumper bulbs with 51s. These are low profile bulbs that will prevent cap burn on those irreplaceable bumper caps.
Congratulations on the pickup! I love United games (especially their bingos). This game has a sister bingo pinball that is quite featureful.
Quoted from Flukebat:Hey everybody, I'm new here and hoping to collect info on a restoration project. I picked up a 1947 United's Hawaii flipperless machine on eBay last week and I figured that the online community for this sort of thing would be a pretty strong resource. I plugged it in and was pleasantly surprised to find that it almost works! But it does have some issues. I'm going to start with cleaning it up and replacing the burnt out bulbs, missing inserts and rubber rings. Does anyone know what size the small inserts are? It seems like the best fit would be 5/8" but I'm not sure. Also I was thinking about replacing the bulbs with LEDs to use less power and expose the inserts and backglass paint to less heat...is that advisable? If so what size bulbs do I get? I'd really appreciate and info you guys can share! Thanks!
Welcome to pinside and Congrats on a Great Game!
Quoted from Flukebat:Hey everybody, I'm new here...
Welcome, Flukebat!
Quoted from Flukebat:I picked up a 1947 United's Hawaii flipperless machine on eBay last week...
Congrats! Looks like a neat game! Always nice to see another flipperless game in some caring hands.
Quoted from Flukebat:I was thinking about replacing the bulbs with LEDs to use less power and expose the inserts and backglass paint to less heat.
Here's another opinion for you. I would suggest not for a couple reasons:
1) LED's were not around when this game was made and would look quite out of place. As BingoPodcast mentioned...
Quoted from bingopodcast:The color/warmth of light is not the same, and you can get bulbs that require less power to light and therefore produce less heat.
2) PERSONALLY...I wouldn't worry much about the heat because you're not going to be leaving it on day-in day-out for 8 hours a day in an arcade waiting for someone to stuff a nickel in it. Now that it is in your care, it will be powered on far less frequently in the privacy of your home. For the scant minutes or hours you turn it on, it's not going to start warping plastics or burning the house down.
...again, just another opinion for you. 
Pokerino
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1046118452197877
This is an interesting one. It seems to have a different backglass (with a game title) as well as some construction differences (no hole in the top of the playfield to access the balls) from the 1947 Williams "Pokerino" on IPDB. Here's the one from the ad:
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...and the 1947 Williams "Pokerino" from IPDB:
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Quoted from RyanClaytor:The playfield says the name of this game is "Big Shot," but I couldn't find it on IPDB. Looks purely mechanical so I'm guessing it is from the 30's.
ebay.com link » Like
Any info on this one?
Post from 67 days ago...
Well, took almost as long but the guy called me out of the blue. I had asked a bunch of questions. Well, had a Day off and nabbed it!!!
No clue, tons of questions.
What year?
Quoted from bingopodcast:Unfortunately, no - get a set of calipers to measure accurately, then contact the Pinball Resource to see if they have that size. That said, are you certain that the inserts are no under the playfield, stuck under something on the bottom of the game? I realize the bottom of the game is probably pretty empty, but you'd be surprised with how much junk can accumulate in the bottom of the game. You may be able to push one of the other inserts out from underneath the playfield (through the top) to make measuring easier and more accurate, but using a caliper on top of the playfield should be good enough.
What type of inserts are in that game? They might be the "tiddlywink" style, as I call them, that are just disks without the cylinder-type flange we are used to in more modern EMs. If the OP strikes out with the cabinet search, and Pinball Resource, please send me a PM and I might have some of those for you...
Sean
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:No clue, tons of questions.
What year?
Looks amazing its a 1936 Cali Exhibit Big Shot
http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=273
Ive added it to the pinside database. please post some pics to the game page and ill make a splash image
--Jeff
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