There's a couple different versions.
http://ipdb.org/search.pl?yr=1933&pl=2&sortby=name&searchtype=advanced
I Like Ballys jack and Jill
http://ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=1274
There's a couple different versions.
http://ipdb.org/search.pl?yr=1933&pl=2&sortby=name&searchtype=advanced
I Like Ballys jack and Jill
http://ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=1274
Are you guys interested in this type of thing - WILLIAMS 1963 MAJOR LEAGUE - ? Considering this sport isn't played or popular in the UK it seems top dollar. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253398276040
Quoted from astyy:Are you guys interested in this type of thing
I know this is a collective group and I won't pretend to speak for the whole, but in my feelings "Flipperless" pinball games do not include pitch 'n' bats. I enjoy the pitch 'n' bats (and perhaps they deserve their own for sale thread?), but in my opinion they probably don't quite fit into the focus of this thread. But thanks for thinking of us, Astyy!
Quoted from RyanClaytor:I know this is a collective group and I won't pretend to speak for the whole, but in my feelings "Flipperless" pinball games do not include pitch 'n' bats. I enjoy the pitch 'n' bats (and perhaps they deserve their own for sale thread?), but in my opinion they probably don't quite fit into the focus of this thread. But thanks for thinking of us, Astyy!
Quoted from RyanClaytor:I know this is a collective group and I won't pretend to speak for the whole, but in my feelings "Flipperless" pinball games do not include pitch 'n' bats. I enjoy the pitch 'n' bats (and perhaps they deserve their own for sale thread?), but in my opinion they probably don't quite fit into the focus of this thread. But thanks for thinking of us, Astyy!
Perhaps some of the older pitch & bats like 1949 Bally Heavy Hitter fall under the ambit of multiple categories, including the flipperless pinball category.
Certainly, 1935 PAMCO Major League (which pitches, sans a traditional bat) falls into the flipperless game genre.
Nevertheless, the pitch & bats from the 1950s onward seem alien to the features which define the core of flipperless games.
Quoted from RyanClaytor:I know this is a collective group and I won't pretend to speak for the whole, but in my feelings "Flipperless" pinball games do not include pitch 'n' bats. I enjoy the pitch 'n' bats (and perhaps they deserve their own for sale thread?), but in my opinion they probably don't quite fit into the focus of this thread. But thanks for thinking of us, Astyy!
I agree. Also this is a "Prewar" forum as well.
Quoted from jmsvero:Also this is a "Prewar" forum as well.
I haven't adhered to this when looking for games for sale, as there are PLENTY of flipperless games created after 1945, in fact a number of flipperless games have even been created after the (conventionally accepted) invention of flippers on "Humpty Dumpty" in late '47. Surprising to some, there are production, coin-op, flipperless games made in the 50's, 60's, 70's and beyond. ...and if I found any of those for sale, I'd certainly post them here. Ha-ha!
...and more:
http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?specialty=15&sortby=name&searchtype=advanced
I guess *PERSONALLY* I'm more focused on non-bingo flipperless games here (only because bingos have their own thread...and feel like a completely unique offering, TO ME). So I'm not sure about the rest of the two people who check this thread, but I know that I'm not wed to the "Pre-WWII" portion of the "EM AND pre-wwii" subforum title.
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Did I fly that flag high enough in this post?
So many rules now. We need to ask Pin-it what's acceptable? Where is that guy anyway? He pops in every couple years it seems.
Quoted from AlexF:We need to ask Pin-it what's acceptable? Where is that guy anyway?
While we wait for him, here's another...
1932 Gottlieb Whizz Bang (Model A):
ebay.com link: Antique Pinball Gottlieb Whizz Bang A
Better pix than IPDB. Contacted Jay.
BOCSO PINBALL MACHINE - $300 (BRADENTON) [FL]
sarasota.craigslist.org link
Quoted from Pecos:BOCSO PINBALL MACHINE - $300 (BRADENTON) [FL]
sarasota.craigslist.org link
Thanks for stoppin' in for a visit, Pecos!
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1947 Keeny "Click"
ebay.com link: VINTAGE KEENEY CLICK PINBALL MACHINE COIN OPERATED WOOD RAIL RARE BEACH THEME
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"I have 2 and they are $500 apiece or both for $900. Prefer they go together but will separate. One is serenade and other is Singapore."
Serenade has two flipper, so not posted.
Quoted from Pin-it:Sellers Description→ A nickel gambling coin operated game made by western coin op in Chicago Illinois. this machine is working and will pay out nickels properly when the ball enters any of the score holes on the playfield.
Even pays out. Not a bad price either.
I seen this exact same game back in 2012 and snapped a few pictures of it when I was at the guys place.
John
1947 United "Hawaii"
ebay.com link: RARE VINTAGE 1947 UNITEDS HAWAII FLIPPERLESS PINBALL MACHINE
Among my favorite art packages is that of Genco Metro. Here's a Metro playfield for sale on eBay.
1940 Stoner "Double Feature"
ebay.com link: 1940 DOUBLE FEATURE BY STONER PINBALL MACHINE
Quoted from ZNET:Among my favorite art packages is that of Genco Metro. Here's a Metro playfield for sale on eBay.
ebay.com link » 1934 Genco Metro Pinball Game Top
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It is pretty. I can't think of Metro without associating it with Russ Jensen.
193? H. W. Goewey "Triggie":
ebay.com link: Triggie 1930 s Antique Pinball Visible Accumulator
Looks like there's some better pix here than on IPDB. Contacted Jay (who, BTW, has been incredibly responsive).
Hmm... Springlness, automatic...
Doesn't appear to be coin-op.
Balls accumulate at the bottom - all balls drop through playfield.
Two questions: 1) how do they dump into the trough? Guessing a little handle.
2) how does one launch the ball? Launcher mech is internal. Guessing another handle somewhere.
The problem I have with the handle theory: where do they attach?? There's not a good pic of the right side, which would be the typical position, but handle(s) must be missing as you can't see them from any other angle.
Oh, and doesn't look like there's a slot cut for playfield glass. Looks like a home toy machine, though very early.
A couple/few days ago, there were a whole SLEW of flipperless games that were listed on ebay from a seller named indianapickers1958. (Probably close to a dozen.) I thought to myself, "Great! Now I can populate the flipperless thread for another couple weeks," as I've found it challenging to uncover NEW posts recently. Then, just as quickly as they all appeared, they were all pulled. I'm not sure if someone purchased the entire lot or what happen. I didn't attempt to contact the seller.
Anyhow, most of the listings I find these days I've posted here previously, or I'd be chastised for listing them. (Frankly, I'd agree, the non-coin-op toy versions aren't as exciting. But as I've mentioned, I've been struggling to find newly listed bona fide flipperless coin-op items.)
With all that said, I still have those pulled ads up in tabs on my browser. Due to the difficulty of finding new ads, the next several I post will be de-listed ads from the seller mentioned above. Still some eye-candy for those among us who appreciate this fine hobby's history, but unfortunately probably not available for purchase. ...but you're welcome to contact the seller (and perhaps report back to us here). I'll start with the oldest of the bunch:
1931 Gottlieb "Bingo"
ebay.com link: 711 53200 19255 0
No pictures listed on IPDB. Contacted Jay.
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A buddy of mine, John Dayhuff , is selling a nice lookin':
1941 Genco "Gun Club" and he's askin' $500 for it.
He can be contacted via the pinsider listing above. He's located in Battle Creek, MI, he's a good no-nonsense dude, and you should deal with him with confidence. Here are a poop-ton of pictures John forwarded to me personally, knowing I'd be interested. Honestly, I'm real tempted but just don't have the room. That backglass with the backlit shooting gallery ducks looks amazing (aside from the minor flake John points out), as does the gorgeous playfield (obviously the bumpers could use some work). Please save me from myself:
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Quoted from ZNET:Among my favorite art packages is that of Genco Metro. Here's a Metro playfield for sale on eBay.
ebay.com link » 1934 Genco Metro Pinball Game Top
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Uh-oh @ryanclaytor...there's the PF and caps we need for OUR Metro...lol. 400 is very steep for what appears to be a PF with a de-populated underside. I've emailed the seller...we'll see what happens...
Sean
Quoted from Stoomer:Uh-oh ryanclaytor...there's the PF and caps we need for OUR Metro...lol. 400 is very steep for what appears to be a PF with a de-populated underside. I've emailed the seller...we'll see what happens...
Sean
I was trying to talk myself out of getting excited about this. *LOL* Thanks for your proactive enabling.
Quoted from RyanClaytor:A couple/few days ago, there were a whole SLEW of flipperless games that were listed on ebay from a seller named indianapickers1958. ... Then, just as quickly as they all appeared, they were all pulled. ... With all that said, I still have those pulled ads up in tabs on my browser. Due to the difficulty of finding new ads, the next several I post will be de-listed ads from the seller mentioned above.
A cool tandem roll-down game from that lot...
1958 Irving Kaye Co. Inc. "Deuces Wild":
ebay.com link: VINTAGE DEUCES WILD POKER PINBALL MACHINE COIN OPERATED WOOD RAIL MACHINE
That game used to be mine. I sold it to Ross (indianapickers) 6 months ago. I picked it up at an auction but never got to it.
Quoted from jmsvero:That game used to be mine. I sold it to Ross (indianapickers) 6 months ago. I picked it up at an auction but never got to it.
Interesting. Looks like he's still using the same pix that were uploaded to IPDB about a year ago.
Quoted from RyanClaytor:A couple/few days ago, there were a whole SLEW of flipperless games that were listed on ebay from a seller named indianapickers1958. ... Then, just as quickly as they all appeared, they were all pulled. ... With all that said, I still have those pulled ads up in tabs on my browser. Due to the difficulty of finding new ads, the next several I post will be de-listed ads from the seller mentioned above.
1947 Bally "Rocket"
ebay.com link: VINTAGE BALLY ROCKET PINBALL MACHINE COIN OPERATED WOOD RAIL MAKE AN OFFER
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Okay, so here's an unexpected find. There's not a coin-chute on this thing BUTIDON'TCARE. Check out this amazing piece of pinball history!!!
jerseyshore.craigslist.org link
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Quoted from RyanClaytor:Okay, so here's an unexpected find. There's not a coin-chute on this thing BUTIDON'TCARE. Check out this amazing piece of pinball history!!!
jerseyshore.craigslist.org link
I have one of these. Tough game to beat. Very heavy slate.
Quoted from DennisDodel:I have one of these.
http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=6104
Wow, yours looks to be an identical layout, but in much better condition. What a cool find. Wish I could play one of these...I've never even seen one (outside of the hobby history books).
Quoted from DennisDodel:Tough game to beat. Very heavy slate.
Both those statements look to be true! Ha-ha!
Also...
I sincerely dig that red carpet in your gameroom. Nice touch.
Quoted from DennisDodel:I have one of these.
Hey Dennis,
Just a quick follow-up question:
What in the world are these? I was looking at them from every angle in an attempt to better understand them. Are they, like, a little ramp of raised wood? What's their purpose? They're positioned directly behind one of those pigeon hole columns, so it's not as if you could launch a ball off them like a ramp. Are they just glorified diverters? They seem a bit short for that.
Looking forward to your thoughts on these and how they influence gameplay.
Best,
Ryan
Quoted from RyanClaytor:Wow, yours looks to be an identical layout, but in much better condition. What a cool find. Wish I could play one of these...I've never even seen one (outside of the hobby history books).
Both those statements look to be true! Ha-ha!
Also...I sincerely dig that red carpet in your gameroom. Nice touch.
I'm sure my game has had new felt and numbers added sometime in its past.
Unfortunately, my carpet had to be pulled up a few years ago after the basement sewer backed up. Just bare concrete now.
One of the hazards of having basement game rooms.
Quoted from RyanClaytor:Hey Dennis,
Just a quick follow-up question:What in the world are these? I was looking at them from every angle in an attempt to better understand them. Are they, like, a little ramp of raised wood? What's their purpose? They're positioned directly behind one of those pigeon hole columns, so it's not as if you could launch a ball off them like a ramp. Are they just glorified diverters? They seem a bit short for that.
Looking forward to your thoughts on these and how they influence gameplay.
Best,
Ryan
The two "ramps" appear to be aftermarket pieces. Either added by an operator or a later owner. The guy I bought it from said that he did not add them. They are crudely cut and of a different type of wood than the rest of the game.
Being rounded at the ends, they very slightly divert a ball running next to them off to the left or right making it just a little easier to direct the ball into one of the bell scoring areas. Probably not an operator add on for that reason!
Quoted from DennisDodel:Unfortunately, my carpet had to be pulled up a few years ago after the basement sewer backed up. Just bare concrete now.
OHmygodthatsux!!! I'm so sorry to hear about that. We have a basement remodel in our future and after seeing that red carpet, I'm seriously contemplating a Dodel homage. If it comes to fruition, I'll send you some pix.
Quoted from DennisDodel:The two "ramps" appear to be aftermarket pieces. Either added by an operator or a later owner. The guy I bought it from said that he did not add them. They are crudely cut and of a different type of wood than the rest of the game.
Being rounded at the ends, they very slightly divert a ball running next to them off to the left or right making it just a little easier to direct the ball into one of the bell scoring areas. Probably not an operator add on for that reason!
Quoted from RyanClaytor:A couple/few days ago, there were a whole SLEW of flipperless games that were listed on ebay from a seller named indianapickers1958. ... Then, just as quickly as they all appeared, they were all pulled. ... With all that said, I still have those pulled ads up in tabs on my browser. Due to the difficulty of finding new ads, the next several I post will be de-listed ads from the seller mentioned above.
1935 Genco "Criss Cross A Lite"
ebay.com link: VINTAGE 1934 GENCO CRISS CROSS A LITE PINBALL MACHINE WOOD RAIL COIN OPERATED
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Quoted from RyanClaytor:A couple/few days ago, there were a whole SLEW of flipperless games that were listed on ebay from a seller named indianapickers1958. ... Then, just as quickly as they all appeared, they were all pulled. ... With all that said, I still have those pulled ads up in tabs on my browser. Due to the difficulty of finding new ads, the next several I post will be de-listed ads from the seller mentioned above.
1947 Genco "Broncho"
ebay.com link: VINTAGE GENCO BRONCHO PINBALL MACHINE COIN OPERATED WOOD RAIL RARE COWGIRL
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Quoted from RyanClaytor:A couple/few days ago, there were a whole SLEW of flipperless games that were listed on ebay from a seller named indianapickers1958. ... Then, just as quickly as they all appeared, they were all pulled. ... With all that said, I still have those pulled ads up in tabs on my browser. Due to the difficulty of finding new ads, the next several I post will be de-listed ads from the seller mentioned above.
1947 Gottlieb "Lucky Star"
ebay.com link: VINTAGE GOTTLIEB LUCKY STAR PINBALL MACHINE COIN OPERATED WOOD RAIL MACHINE
Quoted from Pecos:1940 Yacht-Club Pinball Machine - $350 Berwyn (Philadelphia)
Another wonderful find from the master! ... although, I think you may have neglected to post the sale URL.
Quoted from bingopodcast:Need another Chicago Coin, Ryan? What a beauty!
You're not helping me with my current path of resistance, Mr. Podcast.
Gorgeous, indeed!
Quoted from RyanClaytor:Another wonderful find from the master! ... although, I think you may have neglected to post the sale URL.
Huh? You guys actually want to buy these awesome classics? I thought this was an eye candy only thread! Seriously though, how can you go wrong for $350?
Here it is for you potential buyers:
philadelphia.craigslist.org link
Quoted from RyanClaytor:A couple/few days ago, there were a whole SLEW of flipperless games that were listed on ebay from a seller named indianapickers1958. ... Then, just as quickly as they all appeared, they were all pulled. ... With all that said, I still have those pulled ads up in tabs on my browser. Due to the difficulty of finding new ads, the next several I post will be de-listed ads from the seller mentioned above.
1946 Marvel "Opportunity"
ebay.com link: VINTAGE MARVEL OPPORTUNITY PINBALL MACHINE COIN OPERATED WOOD RAIL RARE
'Opportunity' is a conversion of these games:
Gottlieb's 1940 'The Champ'
Gottlieb's 1940 'Paradise'
Gottlieb's 1941 'Sea Hawk'
Gottlieb's 1941 'Horoscope'
Gottlieb's 1941 'School Days'
Gottlieb's 1941 'Belle Hop'
Gottlieb's 1941 'A-B-C Bowler'
Gottlieb's 1941 'Miami Beach'
Gottlieb's 1941 'Spot Pool'
Gottlieb's 1941 'The New Champ'
Marvel refers to their kick-out hole as a "knockout pocket".
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Hey Flipperless Fans,
I've been neck deep in event planning for the MSU Comics Forum ( comicsforum.msu.edu ), so not much time to post these days. Figured I'd say something instead of just dropping off the face of the Earth.
Best,
Ryan
Extremely Rare 1934 "Senior Forward Pass" Flipperless Pinball Machine - $1750 (san anselmo) San Francisco
sfbay.craigslist.org link
Not cheap but looks nice.
Quoted from Pecos:Extremely Rare 1934 "Senior Forward Pass" Flipperless Pinball Machine
Yet another Contact near-clone. Must have been one in every bar in America in the '30s.
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