Pinball Needs to Take More Risks with Themes

By Deepblue89

March 27, 2023

This story got featured & frontpaged on March 30, 2023


1 year ago

Pinball is for boomers. Boomers, I have nothing against you. People of your generation and non-boomers who were influencing the height of Western boomer culture in the 60s and 70s brought the world amazing music and movies. Stanley Kubrick? Great stuff. The Beatles? Unbeatable, especially from Rubber Soul to Let It Be. It’s the best album run in history, and it’ll never be topped. Ever. Also, take comfort in the fact that you’re not part of my generation, which is the most hated generation in recent memory. I don’t even have to write it, but yes, I’m talking about Millennials. At least you’re not one of us.

Is pinball for boomers? No, pinball is for everybody, but I find the medium a strange one in that its identity is found in its preservation of other entertainment mediums, or at least that’s a big part of pinball’s identity nowadays. The big sellers take famous licenses and use them as themes (“motif” is the correct term, but pinball jargon uses “theme” in place of “motif”) for their pinball machines. Most of the time, these themes harken back to the 1960s (boomer heyday), 70s (still very boomery), 80s, and sometimes, the 90s. Where every other entertainment medium brings new experiences, intellectual properties, stories, and themes to their identities, pinball has largely traded its originality for filthy lucre, choosing instead to adopt the skin of major licenses to make money.

It is true that some companies such as American, Jersey Jack, and Spooky create pins that don’t have a major license connection. Even Stern released Black Knight: Sword of Rage in 2019, a third in a trilogy of original pinball themes. Sword of Rage is my favorite Stern machine in terms of “soul” and originality because it doesn’t lazily rely on TV show clips, movie clips, or the power of big names for its artistic identity. It’s a funny game with a killer, dark art package, a mean game that mocks you, as an original pinball character The Black Knight insults your failures. I wish Stern made more games like Sword of Rage for originality’s sake, even if it meant reaching back into pinball’s history and using a character or theme original to pinball and making a sequel for it.

What do you hear when a company such as American makes an Oktoberfest or a Galactic Tank Force? You get a smattering of praise, but mostly you hear rumblings of the company going “bankrupt” because the theme is “lacking.” Of the most recent reveals: The Godfather, Pulp Fiction, Foo Fighters, Scooby-Doo, and Galactic Tank Force, it’s American Pinball's Galactic Tank Force that deserves the most praise for its risk in theme. It’s not even a very original theme either. Pinball has seen a lot of space aliens, but that’s okay, for the alien theme in pinball has been established with pinball’s artistic identity. The maligned promotional material coming out for Galactic Tank Force, as corny as it is, reminds us of when pinball games weren’t so serious. Attack from Mars is a brutally difficult game in most locations, but it’s about as goofy a game that you can find. It’s like comic relief for how badly it screws you over.

[Source: pinballnews.com]

Do I mean that licensing needs to go away in pinball, then? Definitely not. Licensing in pinball should continue. The idea of designing pinball machines around iconic bands that have actually made good music in their respective genres is a good idea and provides a uniquely pinball experience. Even with the band themes, though, a lot of them go too far back into the past with boomer bands (some of the best music ever, don’t get me wrong) and the 1990s at the latest. And when we do get a band as recent as the 90s, we get a disappointing band such as Foo Fighters.

I don’t care if you like Foo Fighters; they are objectively one of the least good bands to ever have their own pinball machine. They never made a truly classic album, and they rode the wave of the alternative rock boon of the late 90s and early 2000s under the premise of “Nirvana band member makes a band” without creating any music of impressive artistry or innovation (except for one song, “Everlong”). Their music stands nowhere near the behemoths of other pinball band games such as Metallica or Iron Maiden, bands that defined or revolutionized metal. By the way, I mean no slight against Foo Fighters’ designer Jack Danger, one of my favorite people in mainstream pinball, an original thinker and designer. I don’t fault him for Stern’s dull licenses. Even Jack Danger, however, as much as I respect him, said that "a Beastie Boys pinball machine would bring a lot of people to pinball." Beastie Boys were excellent musicians, but they were out of their prime thirty years ago.

You might ask, “Well, what are the pinball companies going to make a music pinball machine for then? Taylor Swift or Post Malone or something”? No, there are excellent bands and solo artists that have not broken the mainstream whose music is high quality and whose musical content could provide some rousing themes in combination with their songs in a pinball machine. But it won’t happen. Why? Because your taste in music sucks, and you won’t give an Animal Collective, Radiohead (mainstream, admittedly), Grimes, or The War on Drugs--to name a few personal favorites--a chance as pinball machines. The pinball manufacturers also would not want to take a risk on such a “niche” (by today’s standards) band or musician, and it’s understandable.

[Source: pinballrebel.com]

Ultimately, the licensing issue of today is a consumer issue. Consumers like what’s familiar, what brings them back to their childhoods, what gives them a nostalgia rush. For some people, it’s Sean Connery’s James Bond, for others, it’s old-school Godzilla or the bland sound of *gags a little* Foo Fighters. Until pinball players allow themselves to be open-minded to newer licensing ideas or altogether original themes, we will keep seeing boomer tv shows, boomer movies, and mediocre gen-x and millennial bands dominating pinball themes in the industry. That might seem fine to some of you, but it also might mean that the bell will begin tolling on pinball as the older generations and their nostalgia die off. And even if pinball continued to thrive, from an artistic integrity point of view, I’d like to see pinball reclaim its own identity. As hokey as those EM machines from the 60s and earlier look, their themes are original and allude to the culture in a modern, relevant way for their time periods. [See Gottlieb's Central Park above for an example]. Today, pinball’s identity borrows too much from big name licenses from decades ago. That’s not cool, boomer.

-Dan

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Comments

1 year ago

I have always thought that there should be a "genre" music pin with different artists on it. Such as, "Heavy Metal" with a selection of songs based around an original theme. It doesn't have to be just one band. Or "Dance Party" with a selection of songs like on "Dance Dance Revolution." You could have a lot of fun with that.

1 year ago

Man you gotta be the fucking worst at parties.

1 year ago

you have a lot to say, but don't say much

1 year ago

Ill never get that 4 minutes of my life back .

1 year ago

First, don't blame me for decisions made by pinball companies. I am not them.
Second, I will buy games that I like. I don't care what you do. Don't tell me what to do.
Third, have you considered that it is perhaps your taste in music that sucks? Or maybe different people like different things?
Lastly, get over yourself. The world does not need to change per your whims.

1 year ago

I understand your write up. My wife and I were discussing the themes of the new pinball machines over the last few years. We are Gen X. The pins we played in our youth were Late 70’s to early 90’s.

As of about 12 years ago I bought a Broken Gorgar and restored it. (Mechanic, Welder, electric and Hydraulic repair is my trade). The pins I picked up over the next few years were cheap and was a fun experience to bring the machines back to life and then sell one to buy another project. When the pandemic hit the prices of vintage pins double, tripled and quadrupled. The resurrection of the pinball truly began. So I’m sure as the companies did their financial research, most of the people buying new pinball machines for home use were boomers and Gen X. So the themes stuck to that 1960’s to 80’s era. Actually when I saw the Godzilla and Scooby Doo I thought those were good picks for a pinball theme. Those Cartoon and movie monsters spanned multiple Generations. The Godzilla movies from the 60’s to 70’s are still televised on Comet TV. Scooby doo in different variations can be watched on multiple platforms.

As for the Music theme pinball machines, most of those go on location to make money. I would think hearing the same 7 songs from your favorite artist would get annoying after 3 weeks of play in your home.

Maybe just buy a couple old ugly clapped out pinballs and rebuild them. Learn how they work and have fun with it. The Hobby can be a Great stress reliever. I have a 1981 Black Hole that will be my next restoration. I bought the new playfields from Mirco. Collecting the new boards and parts for a summer time project.

As for Oktoberfest, We recently purchased one because of all the wire forms, magnets, fun callouts, and we like Bier! Great family fun game. The only New pinball I have ever purchased is the Scooby Doo. We won’t see ours until late 2023. It is exactly what WE were waiting for in a pinball. Great theme that spans 40 plus years. A wide body with unique flippers, ball catch, etc.

So to each, His own. Hope you find one or 12 you like.

1 year ago

I agree with title of this, and that’s about it.

1 year ago

Sounded like a politician speaking. Knows everything yet hasn’t accomplished anything in the real world. Companies make what people buy, when that changes the games they make will change to.

1 year ago

Well, I’m not even sure where to start with this one. I’m a bourbon(ish) deep, so pardon any typos. I guess I’ll begin with I you give props for a well written opinion; we’re all entitled to having one. With that said, I disagree with most of the content. First off, blaming “boomers” for bad themes is a you issue. Boomers were born in the mid to late 40s and early 50s. The majority of their themes died a long time ago (sin the Beatles & Rolling Stones). If you were hatched in the late 70s and early 80s, Iron Maiden, GNR, Metallica, etc are right up your alley. Those in their 40s & 50s are also generally in a better spot financially to support a pinball habit. Pinball is a business, plan and simple. I’d argue themes are built to generate cash and not for guys (and gals) like you and me (HUO crowd). Second, and I’m not even close to a diehard Foo Fighters fan, but I feel the need to stick up for Dave Grohl. My opinion, the most talented artist from Nirvana (settle down everyone, my opinion). I mean really, the dude bbqs for the homeless on his time off… he probably deserves a pinball theme named after him just for that! Anyway, Foo Fighters have sold 30+ million albums… how many have Grimes sold? Again, see business comment. Speaking of themes… Blink 182, Van Halen, A-Team, Airwolf or Jaws anyone? Sorry, I digress… that’s my old identityless ass getting the best of me again.

It’s easy to say take risk from when it’s not your money. If you want riskier themes, start a pinball machine company. Best guess, get ready to dump a million plus just into getting an idea to prototype.

Personally, I’m just stoked that pinball is popular again and that we have a constant stream of new machines coming out. I’ve been playing my new Cactus Canyon nonstop, and like Copper38, I also have a Scooby Doo on order… shame on me for supporting the downfall of pinball I guess. Ha!

On the bright side, when you turn 45… like I just turned, and assuming pinball is still going strong and/or no zombie apocalypse, you’ll be excited about all the themes of your era coming out… I’ll be thinking WTF.

Cheers everyone ~ I need a refill

1 year ago

So much for my bucket list dream of a Peanuts pinball with Charlie Brown, Lucy, Snoopy, Linus and the rest of the great crowd.

1 year ago

I’m guessing the pinball company owners would laugh at the idea that they need to take MORE RISKS. It already seems to be an incredibly risky business. If a company comes out with a complete dud, how long does it take them to recover? Maybe stern can recover in 4 months? Everyone else…what…maybe two years? I’m not sure many companies could survive a complete dud of a theme.

1 year ago

On behalf of millennials, I'm sorry for this contradictory article.

1 year ago

It’s money. Unlicensed games haven’t sold historically well with very few exceptions. Gotta make money to stay in business.

1 year ago

Exactly. Individual/personal wants and hopes have little to no bearing on what a company actually produces to sell for profit. I don't know why pinball people always forget this fact. They choose the themes that touch the most senses with the most people. Those make the most money. It's not some whimsical accident. It's been proven and proven and proven. Current pinball hobby has changed and is different. Don't get me wrong, you don't have to LIKE it... I myself am NOT loving it. But, who exactly is your statement aimed at? The pinball enthusiasts? The companies that make the games? The clouds in the sky?

1 year ago

Yup, another 'expert' who thinks everyone's been doing it wrong for the past 20 years. There's always room for another startup if you think your themes, I mean "motifs" are better than what's selling now.

1 year ago

I'm a millennial and you give us a bad name. #1 Learn how to write. Can you start a sentence with "And" or "But"? #2 The reason that pop culture from decades ago is still popular today is that modern stuff sucks for the most part and is usually based on remakes from older stuff. #3 The Foo Fighters aren't great but Grimes?? #4 You need to stop generalizing. #5 I wasted 10 minutes on this.

1 year ago

Everyone may PLAY pinball, but not a lot of people under 40 can afford, have the space, or in general the ability to own a pinball machine. "Boomers" or older Millennials, Gen X etc DO. So sure, would I be the first to pre-order a King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard pin? 100% their catalogue is amazing, varied, thematically rich, but, I'd wager the core pinball buyer has no clue who they are and/or has a harder time dropping the $$$ to own one.

The fact is while some games have excelent theme and gameplay you can look to video games to understand that theme can cover up mediocre games to drive sales. I've worked in video games for 16 years and there was a time you could slap literally any movie IP on a game no matter how trash and it would hit its numbers. That time has very much passed but it hasn't yet for pinball because I think as an industry it just evolves much more slowly because of fewer makers/designers, slower iteration, barrier to entry.

Could pinball use with more theme variety? Sure. Does risk taking benefit the consumer? Of course. Are pinball manufacturers well served to incur that risk, at the moment? Seems pretty clear no, it makes no sense given the market and state of pinball in general.

1 year ago

Just because the self titled Foo Fighters album never found its way into your life, particularly in your teenage years, and because you still don't "get it", doesn't mean that it's not a certified classic. It's one of thee best albums of the 90s, a 10/10 where every song from beginning to end is excellent.

The game doesn't include a few gems that surpassed their first two records (like "Low" for one example) that blend in perfectly with the intensity and flow of the game play (you can watch Laser Los play a MB while "Low" is playing in his first FF stream) in order to wedge in some singles that don't vibe nearly as well with a pinball game, but i digress. The self titled record is brilliance, and that fact doesn't change because of your ignorance towards it.

The Colour & The Shape is another record that is pretty damn good, but not quite as brilliant as their Freshman attempt. I will agree that every record after that is nowhere near a classic.

Also, Animal Collective pinball? I have a far better understanding of who i'm interacting with here. You deserve all of the hatred coming your way for this pretentious bullshit you've spewed all over pinside. Yeah, Animal Collective will bring more people to the game..

You had the audacity to say that FF are *objectively* bad, but *Animal Collective* is your first suggestion.

lol.

lmao, even.

I will waste no more of my time with the musical Hellen Keller here.

-Someone who is far more proficient and knowledgeable about music than pinball.

1 year ago

I just skimmed through this article (and wish I didn't) and my suggestion to you is simple: Start your own pinball company.
Always easy to spent someone else's money as long as it isn't yours. Another newbie/greenhorn that joined in 2021 thinking he's an expert, lol.

1 year ago

Foo Fighters (formed 1994)

Radiohead (formed 1985)

Way to stick it to the old people and their dated musical tastes.

Your whole rant could be summed up by "make a game with music *I* like, not music *you* like".

1 year ago

I appreciate the feedback, guys. Someone said I deserve all the “hate,” but I don’t take it as “hate.” I take it as people giving their valid opinions, and I respect those opinions.

The Beatles are my favorite band of all time, so my argument isn’t against using older bands but rather branching out into new genres or unconventionally chosen artists, not boring bands like Foo Fighters who are almost in the same stream as Nickelback in terms of creativity. I understand pinball is a risky business, but a guy can dream (also known as aiming my comments to the sky, as some would say).

By the way, you can start a sentence with “But” or “And.” That comment made me laugh out loud.

1 year ago

Too bad we can't down-vote inane word salads and upvote the responses as in posts. Some of them are hilarious!

1 year ago

@fixintoplay

What is one sentence, one clause, one phrase, or one single word that is “word salad”? I would like some examples to see if you have comprehension issues or if you’re just offended and taking my opinion on pinball personally for some silly reason.

I don’t have anything against boomers, if that’s your beef. I made that clear. If it’s Foo Fighters that got you riled up, I’m sorry, but they just suck.

1 year ago

"If it’s Foo Fighters that got you riled up, I’m sorry, but they just suck."

This is your problem, you sound like an angsty 15 year old.

Nobody cares that you don't like Foo Fighters. I couldn't care less about them as a band myself, and nobody cares about that either.

Any salient points you may have been making are utterly ruined by your petulant "your band sucks" attitude, and simply listing a different band you happen to like better is meaningless. A Radiohead pin would be as relevant as a Rush pin. Fans would be happy, nobody else would really give a shit, and *nothing* would be at all different. Just another rock band pinball. So risky!

"Pinball companies should cater to me" isn't actually an interesting viewpoint to discuss.

1 year ago

What a fascinating critique of modern pinball machine motifs/themes! Great writing style too. The blog really opened my eyes to the importance of paying attention to how culture influences pinball.

1 year ago

Get a life

1 year ago

@Aurich

People on here have attacked the bands I listed as favorites. I’m not upset about that. It’s just an opinion. Whenever I let people listen to a musician I like, and they react with disgust, I always find it funny. If they like the musician, that’s awesome because we then have common ground.

I never made my dislike of Foo Fighters personal in the story I wrote, but the comments are particularly judging who I am as a person based on the fact that I like Animal Collective. They made it personal, but I’m not upset because I don’t think I can know someone based on the music they listen to. If someone likes Grateful Dead (great band), I’m not going to assume they’re potheads.

It’s all just silly.

1 year ago

You cannot start a sentence with And or But you simp.

1 year ago

Also, with regards to your taste in music, I would listen to Lebrock and Ollie Wride way before that ish.

1 year ago

I'm ready for that Bestie Boys pin. They'd never license it, though.
They were relevant as far back as Hello Nasty, way less than 30 years ago. Less so after, but I still found great songs in 5 Burroughs and Hot Sauce.
I get it. Themes, original IP vs. licensed, etc. Sure. We'll debate this stuff forever.
I do appreciate a lot of what's been coming out lately. American has the Viking thing. P3 with...most everything, plus Wierd Al. I don't know. I think we are in a golden age and can appreciate it.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, @deepblue29!

1 year ago

Came for the article….stayed for the comments

1 year ago

This has been debated a lot, and with no good answers. There is a demographic and Taylor Swift doesn't fit (but it could). What about modern movies? Considering most are remakes or sequels, they date back to boomerville as well. Original themes are the most ideal because they establish their own timeless existence... but if you remember the backlash when something like Dialed In came out, you know why manufacturers hesitate on the risk. Pinside comments are as brutal as anything you see on Twitter today and even if minds change once people actually PLAY a title (you know what I mean), it's usually too late to steer the early unwarranted hate that caused a dive in sales, and the manufacturer to re-think their attempt at any more original IP.

Video game IP could do well, but games come and go quickly in popularity, would have to be a more timeless title. And that's why licensing is used on time-proven material, like rock bands that have stayed relevant for decades. Pinball machines are physical, and intended to be timeless at least as long as it's a collector's hobby, and as such we're going to continue down the old tried and true IP.

And that's why someone has already mentioned: The only ones willing to take the risk are the hobby manufacturers, and if you have an idea that may be the only way it gets done. Supporting those may be the best and only way forward into modern pinball IP.

1 year ago

"I never made my dislike of Foo Fighters personal in the story I wrote". You did, actually. You made it really clear your issue is *that* band sucks (in a really childish way), and *this* one doesn't. You don't want that old white guy rock band, you want this older white guy rock band.

That's the opposite of taking risks. You just wanted to shit on a band you didn't like and declare your taste better.

1 year ago

@prince66cali
Hey man, to each his own. I decided to listen to LeBrock and Ollie Wride. I didn’t like Lebrock, but Ollie Wride sounds quite good. Reminds me a little of Chromatics. I respect his sound and that you like his stuff.

You really shouldn’t advise people on grammar, though. You don’t know what you’re talking about, and that’s okay. You also misused the word “simp,” as it didn’t apply to anything that was previously said in any way.

@c0wb0y
Thanks for the kind words. Beasties are one of the best 80’s groups. Paul’s Boutique is one of my favorite albums of all time. I hope it doesn’t get overlooked if the pin gets made. That pin theme could actually be a gateway for hip-hop fans, but perhaps a black artist or black rap group would be a great pick as well. Kanye West would have been a good choice at one point, but he’s way too polarizing as a political figure these days, unfortunately.

1 year ago

This is some funny shit

1 year ago

@Aurich

Since when was Grimes an old white guy rock band? Seems like you’re doing what you accused me of with that kind of language. Except you brought race into it in a negative way. It was only a matter of time. I guess we’re all at equal footing now, haha. People are like, “You’re so mean for insulting what I like! Your taste is the one that is dooky, not mine!”

1 year ago

You know Google University isn't a real school, right? Not sure if you re a younger millennial but I was lucky enough to get educated before they destroyed the standards. Its OK tho. Ollie is decent. Enjoy.

1 year ago

BTW I used simp correct. I was just making an educated guess. Hah! Last thing tho. The Boomers made this hobby what it is and I was introduced to it by a Boomer. I get the generational arguments but be respectful.

1 year ago

Tool shed of an article

1 year ago

@prince66cali

Dude, your grammar errors are too much to bear. Are you drunk typing or something? You’re so triggered, it’s funny. Did the boomer who introduced you to pinball also teach you the phrase “Google University”? It sure sounds like it.

“Sonny, I’m going to show you how to flip. This is the stuff you can’t get at that Google University!”

By the way, I never insulted boomers. I was arguing that pinball themes are geared towards boomers. I literally said in the first paragraph that millennials are the worst, and I am affirmed in that belief after interacting with you. Here’s a ranking for you, going back to the Silent Generation:

Silent generation>>>Zoomers>>>Boomers>>>Gen X>>>>>>>>>>Millennials

(I added more than three arrows between Gen X and Millennials because of my interaction with you.)

1 year ago

Haha yeah....it's not your fault tho.....just remember when you write an article and it looks like a text message that's bad...and you know I was right on the Google University concept....all good tho....sorry get back to your love for the Elvira, Batman 66, and Munsters pins....Its cool just not my style....

1 year ago

"Since when was Grimes an old white guy rock band?"

Since when was she a member of Radiohead?

1 year ago

@Deepblue89 What's your take on "The Ramones"? I think that could translate to a awesome pin.

1 year ago

@gjm
Love ‘em. They’re super catchy, even catchier than The Beach Boys. Their songs are short, fast, and have a great bop to them. I like all of their albums from the 70s. I’d certainly take Ramones over Foo Fighters on quality alone. It would also be an entryway for post and post-punk into pinball where rock and metal have dominated.

@Aurich
I mentioned Grimes in the article. She has some notable accomplishments under her belt, and she has an art package/visual style in her albums that could really work with pinball. Again, it is a super-personalized opinion. In the article, I used the phrase “personal favorites,” I believe. If you despise Grimes or Animal Collective, that’s okay. I’m not offended at that. It’d be immature (and borderline insane in my opinion) to be offended over someone else’s tastes, which includes what someone likes and dislikes. Again, I always found it funny when my friends looked disgusted at the bands I liked, but we still had some common taste in music.

And to set the record straight, all of the bands that Stern have used so far besides Foo Fighters, I actually really like, though Rush and Kiss are on the lower end for me. It’s just my opinion that Foo Fighters are a step down from the other bands. If we are going to break into 90s bands and younger, I hope we don’t only go mainstream.

My mention of Rush reminds me. Your comment about the Rush pinball machine was inconsistent. You said that only Rush fans would care. Wouldn’t that be the case for any band machine? Rush pinball did quite well and was easily Game of the Year for many people. Many reviews had the caveat of “I don’t like Rush, but I like this game.” Perhaps a Grimes machine would do okay after all. Another guy boasting a superiority complex laughed about the idea that Animal Collective would bring more people to pinball. How much evidence does he have that it wouldn’t? None, that’s how much. He’s doing exactly what I did in the article, only he gives himself a pass to do it, and he looks down on me for doing it.

By the way, as much as anyone thinks my article was negative, it was way more positive than anything. I praised specific games that used themes that are original. I even praised Gottlieb, a company that gets pooped on a lot on this site. Maybe I will write an article one day in honor of the underrated Gottlieb.

As I also wrote, I think that American Pinball deserves a lot of credit for its theme choices. Even the licensed Hot Wheels was a genius choice. But that doesn’t mean I am not excited about the other recently released or revealed games. Foo Fighters pinball looks excellent! Jack Danger is a great mind. I like Pulp Fiction’s early solid state design and that it doesn’t have ramps. These are cool ideas.

Finally, I was honestly surprised at how upset people were because I said Foo Fighters suck. I’m used to people dissing my music tastes, so I guess I thought others could handle it as well. When people diss Fiona Apple, Sufjan Stevens, mewithoutYou, Can, or The Beatles, I think those people are just missing out. I’ve literally been told by people in real life, not on a pinball database by strangers, that each one of those artists listed is “lame” or something similar.

I’m also used to hearing in media narrative and from older generations that millennials suck (they do), so I found it surprising and funny that people were so BUTTHURT over the boomer comments, which were made in good fun. It’s all very interesting.

I am grateful that Pinside picked my article for the front page, and I like that it caused a stir. Those front page articles about being a kid and discovering pinball and how everything is nice and wonderful are so boring to read, and their comment sections are filled with a whole lot of nothing but pats on the back. Yawn. You’re welcome for some entertainment for once around here.

Peace.

1 year ago

"The War on Drugs" would be a great theme. However, it has to be about the failed political movement, not the band.

1 year ago

Wow lol glad I’m Gen X

1 year ago

When millennials produce anything of worth bthesides moaning, bitching and groaning, it will probably get put on a pin.

You want manufacturers to put some garage band you like on a pin. In the real world, manufacturers are going to go with what they believe is going to be best for their bottom line. That's how it works. They don't give a shit about your feelings.

1 year ago

Wow! That was a long read! And for what?
Happy to be gen x!

1 year ago

This Comment Section is why I do not invite people I don’t know from the “Pinball Community” over to our place to play pinball.

Pinside Comment Section is Reddit 2.0

1 year ago

Motif lol

1 year ago

There definitely is a place for artistic pieces in pinball. Shock and awe works. Creating conversation and differences in opinion is great for the hobby. Twerking cows is brilliant.

1 year ago

Also glad I’m Gen X.

1 year ago

First off pinball itself is a throwback item in a digital world. Everyone in the hobby wants one thing games that are fun to play. Yes it’s easier to sell games with themes people recognize so that’s on the manufacturers. If manufacturers would be willing to develop and market fun games with original up to date IP everyone would embrace the games. The manufacturers on a whole are not willing to do so based upon the past. So to blame as you call it closed minded boomers and Xers is putting the blame in the wrong place.

1 year ago

I wasn't dyslexic before I tried to read this.

1 year ago

I will say you have the nuts to start a 'non xp' story like this...Yet perhaps when the balls drop, you will have a more open approach to the bigger picture (without criticizing), I feel you have the spirit of things, and keep that going with the forward-thinking. Sending a message of pinball passion shouldn't include conditions/judgment. Don't do that, and especailly in Life..it will only hurt you (just stay on Pinside enough and you will know, lol) .
I'm trying my best to encourage you; your gen is going to carry whatever torch the rest of us have, so have respect/trust in your elders..even your parents..they know more than you..for now. KirK Out.

1 year ago

So the basic strategy would be to implement more themes that don't sell? The music pin is dated I would certainly agree for the most part but all other relevant themes are modern like the poster would suggest. Think about Deadpool, GOTG, STH, etc....... aside from the band pins everything has been modern from what I can see. Interesting

1 year ago

@Deepblue89 in your response to @Aurich you said “ If we are going to break into 90s bands and younger, I hope we don’t only go mainstream”

I’d love to see non mainstream music pins, less popular IP’s and many more original pins. I think it’s safe to say most of us on Pinside would really love that! Unfortunately, it’s not realistic for us as pinball is a business and using obscure bands and IP’s isn’t usually the right choice for generating income. Wish that wasn’t the case, but hey…that’s life haha!

1 year ago

Lost me at the use of the word "boomers"

1 year ago

I'd love to see more original themes. More wild and out-there stuff like Bally/Williams/Gottlieb/Data East were putting out in the 80s. Bad Cats, Grand Lizard, Big Guns, Swords of Fury... A theme as bonkers as freakin' VECTOR would never see the light of day today.

Like I said, original themes. Not just "musical acts that *I* enjoy" (otherwise I'd be learning how to build my own Skatune Network pin). We're getting more originality in the past two years than we had in the previous 20, but things could be better. If we need to phone up the 1980's Gottlieb art department to share their stash and "inspire some creativity," so be it.

I agree with what many other commenters have said- Foo Fighters are still, 30 years into their career, selling out 50,000+ seat arenas worldwide— places significantly larger than Merriweather Post Pavilion (see what I did there). Whether you think they're "objectively good" or not, FF are popular, and they make money. On the flip side, I have met literally one person in my life who was an Animal Collective fan, and he was the entertainment editor of an alt-weekly, so it was his job to have that chip on his shoulder.

1 year ago

I have nothing against boomers, but...

Boomers, Boomers, BoOmeRS, ZOMG BOOOMERS!

1 year ago

Hi guys, like to see a "Hellboy" pin with Ron Perlman. Who's with me???

1 year ago

Music themes are always divisive, because everyone likes different music. No matter what band you choose, you're alienating a significant part of your audience and banking on enough of another part saying "even though I don't like this band, maybe I'll buy it anyway just because it's a good design".

1 year ago

You had me until the Foo hate.

"They never made a truly classic album, and they rode the wave of the alternative rock boon of the late 90s and early 2000s under the premise of 'Nirvana band member makes a band' without creating any music of impressive artistry or innovation (except for one song, 'Everlong')."

This tells me you've never really explored their extensive catalog or looked at album or ticket sales. You can not like a band - that's well within your right - without completely negating their impact on the cultural zeitgeist over nearly three decades.

But this was pretty well written and pithy to boot, so good on ya.

1 year ago

Thanks for upsetting the groupthink. I'm too punk for any band I like to get a pin, so I can't really relate. I'm so punk the bands I listen to don't even have, like, hats with their logos on them. So I find this debate about all these lame bands pretty entertaining. It's like arguing between people who like McDonalds and McAllister's.

I actually can relate to not being too jazzed about most of the pinball themes that come out. There's a world of older tables out there, get into those. Use the PinMap to find locations.

1 year ago

What about a Nickelback pinball machine? They don't take themselves too seriously, could be loads of campy fun. Everybody loves to hate on Nickelback.

Can't be any worse than Foo Fighters.

Stern made a Heavy Metal pin, couldn't even sell 100 of them. Shame, as I like the movie. They weren't able to get the Sammy Hagar theme song licensed, so the machine is lacking a bit in the sound department.

1 year ago

Oh and Nickelback has out sold Foo Fighters by a large margin - 56.9 million albums vs. 43.9 million for Foo Fighters.

Source: https://loudwire.com/top-25-best-selling-rock-metal-artists/

1 year ago

Great write up, and I find myself agreeing with you on alot of it. I guess the hobby is splintering into alot of areas and demographics. Alot of which I can't stand. But alot of it I love.

I'd like a new company to start up, Frankenpinball.

Maybe Edy and Scott on game, Franchi on art, Peter on playfields, David on sound, 50s scifi or monsters theme or a Predator if licenced. No influencers, twitchers, tubers, streamers, narcissists....

Thanks in advance!

1 year ago

Pinball will be around. It goes where the money is and that’s not millennials, yet. Don’t worry you will get there, but you can’t expect to compete with almost 40 years of people before you vs the 14 associated with millennials. But hey, create your own vs celebrating the potential demise, maybe you think that, because it’s not about you…. You gotta make money with a pin, why limit yourself to smaller bands when you can go big with a following who not just follows, but have the money to get the pins. I guess you want more stuff like Supreme?

1 year ago

Hey, I too appreciate original themes and am considering buying a GTF now. However, it should be obvious now that those recent music pins cater to this specific audience here, who will keep buying them as long as they keep making them. Attacking people here for supporting what they like is counterproductive. If you want more originality, you know, be the change you want to see. Buy games you like, make your own or otherwise support these indie developers and if enough people like you exist, maybe they'll make a pinball based on whatever Animal Collective is!

1 year ago

I've always thought of music and sound as a critical element in post-EM era pinball. Instead of debating what bands are deserving of their own pin, one argument the author brings up is valid: Original versus Licensed theme?

Personally, I thought what made WMS so great was they had a MIX of licensed and original games. However, originality takes talent and creativity along with an equally gifted team that can execute the idea. That is a rare and special combo, my friends.

I get the business side: Totally. But I would also argue that a well designed/executed original theme game like AFM or ToTAN could absolutely be a home run.

My only ask would be for the Gary and Jack's of the world to at least *consider* doing more original theme's.

The talent is out there and the passion is certainly alive and well.

I'd love to see the next iconic design team/mfr emerge in my lifetime... one can only hope!

1 year ago

I'm younger than you and wish we had more games centered around modern franchises (or just better executed original themes) too, but there's a few glaringly obvious reasons we don't:

- The vast majority of games are sold to home-use buyers. Go check the map. Locations are represented very accurately, home buyers are represented at about ~50% of reality (judging off of Spooky production numbers and how many of them are recorded). There's 600 Godzillas on location, 2000+ in Pinsider homes (safe to assume 3-4k in reality). The guys with money to buy these games are generally older. They want themes for them or their kids, they don't want themes aimed at guys like me and you in our 20's and 30's.

- Modern licenses can be a bitch to work with. The rules aren't established, things change hands, actors are more in control of their assets. Look at the fumbled release of Stranger Things, KILLER theme that cleans up on location, but it sold like ass due to the shit code at launch (at least that's my assumption, cause it's a darling now). Look at Rick and Morty; "ongoing adventures planned, more content coming!" Ope, licensor changed hands and it got stuck with whatever was already cleared at the time. Of course this can be true of older themes too (Bond has been shit to work with it seems, Zeppelin was protective), but much less so than the modern stuff.

- Small runs don't work with the development resources that the big dogs need to put out a game nowadays. In the 60's + 70's, you could do a run of 200 games and if it wasn't a hit, whatever, move onto the next. As games got more complex, the runs needed to get bigger to justify the cost which means you really can't do risky themes anymore.

At the end of the day it's just business. Older shit still sells better, so that's what they'll continue to make.

1 year ago

In before the lock!

1 year ago

I believe it is only fair to judge your post by the amount of responses you received/provoked. Well done!

I agree with the underlying sentiment that sometimes with pinballs that are based on pop culture themes (or motifs) the manufacturers sacrifice the investment in the quality of the game due to the level of investment they have had to make in the license. It can look like they are just trying to capitalise (make money) on the back of the license rather than on the quality of the game.

I have been operating pinballs since 1990, albeit not continuously, and one thing I can say for certain is that the theme doesn't make the pinball great. It does, however, attract the player.

The earning power (quality of the game) of a pinball is determined by its ability to keep the players coming back.

I like Foo Fighters and can't wait to play the pinball, I also like Led Zeppelin and couldn't wait to play the pinball. I hope I am not disappointed with the Foo's pinball as I was with the Led Zep pinball. The Addams Family wasn't a great movie but it is a great pinball. Pulp Fiction is a great movie I hope the pinball can live up to it.

Nostalgia marketing is a powerful tool - every generation will fall prey to this technique don't blame the boomers for that.

1 year ago

Lol horrible take, thankfully I stopped reading a quarter of the way through

1 year ago

Wow this has gotten a lot of responses

1 year ago

I can build my own pinball machine if I want to. Problem solved!

1 year ago

I thought your article was self serving, ignorant and degrading to pinball lovers. If the current themes produced by the pinball companies are not selling then they will have to change or go out of business.
That’s capitalism if you don’t understand. As far as music goes, a lot of people like the Foo Fighters and I respect their choice of entertainment even though they are not mine. In the future please keep your opinions to yourself , that would be best.

1 year ago

My two cents....worth a penny....This coming from a guy stuck on 70s era games.
I would love to see a Bare Naked Ladies pin. They're not one of the biggest groups of all time.... but great just the same! They have a great playlist that includes tunes from movies and a TV show (Big Bang Theory). Front man Ed Robertson is a "pinballer" and has been a great ambassador to pinball with his contributions to the development of Black Knight Sword of Rage.
Years ago, pre-Covid, I was playing a Dolly Parton at the Allentown PINFEST show with a friend. While I'm playing I got a tap on the shoulder, and the guy behind me says,"That's my machine you're playing!" It was none other Ed Robertson..... and being a RUSH and BNL fan, I was a bit floored. He was gracious and kind, he shared a few thoughts and stories about RUSH, and after we played a game together on Dolly, he hung for a picture. Just a great guy!
That's my penny's worth! Great pinball to all, regardless of generation!

1 year ago

This whole generation labeling thing was simply created for marketers and is based on broad demographics. The labels are arbitrary and counterproductive. Falling into a range of age brackets doesn't define one's work habits or taste in music, art, entertainment and pinball.

1 year ago

I enjoy some of the quirky themes of yesteryear, which is why I own several EMs. Supply and demand rule the market, however, and since the advent of marketing IPs...they have ruled the roost.

AP and Spooky have put out some original IPs, but Stern, CGC, and JJP basically never do. It isn't profitable.

While I can appreciate your enthusiasm for new ideas, I suggest you embrace it and speak with your dollars whilst purchasing original themed pinballs.

1 year ago

I think you mean Gen X. Most folks I’m seeing interested in and particularly, able to afford new games are mid 30’s - mid 50’s, which I believe fall into the Gen X - Gen Y. (All of these names are silly-anyway.)
Regardless, I’m glad pinball is back and there’s so many new companies and new games.

1 year ago

The licensed and non-licensed them discussion has been around a long time, and many have already answered that with the primary reason of manufacturer risk. One problem with your article is that it really doesn't provide anything new to the table. Then your attempts at trying to gather folks into your corner to get, for lack of a better term, "modern" license themes (especially those that are more or less niche) ends up sounding like personal attacks on opinions from your delivery.

I happen to like Foo Fighters AND Nickelback. Would I think the themes would be good pinball machines? If I were going by theme only I would initially say "no", but then you would have to consider the quality of the gameplay. If it is a good playing game I could imagine that either of those titles would be successful. I don't care much for Guns & Roses musically but the game is fun.

1 year ago

"Boomers, I have nothing against you"
>> Proceeds to complain about "Boomers" music taste for paragraphs.

Pinball companies are here to make money. They will put out pins with themes that sell the most.
They don't really care what individuals think about "risky" or "new", they care about markets and making money.

"Boomers" have the disposable income, so most theme will be tailored to them. I'm not mad about that, it just make business sense.

If kids had all the money, you bet you would see "Dora the explorer Pinball", "Paw Patrol Pinball Adventure" etc.

You do you man, but for your own health, take it easy, maybe go play some pinball, just dont play foo fighters LOL

1 year ago

Are you a troll? This poll seems like a troll post. You actually typed "*gag*" in it...

My issue with music pinball machines isn't so much the music as that the theme seems to stop at just using the band's name to sell pins. I gotta give Danger and Zombie Yeti a ton of credit, they took the whole "Foo Fighter" UFO concept and RAN with it. At this point, it's an original concept (full of all the fun playful things you are claiming to want), just with Foo Fighter music.

In a lot of ways, it feels like Godzilla, in that if you like the Godzilla franchise, you're going to enjoy the Godzilla pinball machine a lot, but even if you don't, you're still going to probably have a lot of fun with it without needing to get all the references.

From the videos I've seen of it, Galactic Tank Force has a fun theme but I think the game kinda failed on execution. It's that aiming for shots for the tank right in the middle. I have an old EM that is designed on a similar middle shot idea, and it does make the game harder, but it also makes it more frustrating since it leads to a ton of immediate drains. There's a reason why it's been dropped a lot in game design.

Also, loosen up with your music elitism. I'm a fan of Animal Collective, Radiohead and The War on Drugs too, but they're also kinda the mid-2000s indie hipster starter pack of music. Throw LCD Soundsystem, TV on the Radio and Arcade Fire, and you've pretty much got every middle class white person who came of age then. Grimes is pretty much the only exception, in that she only started gaining traction in the indie scene in the early 2010s.

1 year ago

4 themes I'd like to see. 1. The Saw movies with all kinds of traps as modes. 2. Slipknot 3. Resident Evil 4. Motocross like a Metal Mulisha theme. They might not be the most current themes but it would pull them into the 2000's.

1 year ago

Lol Resident Evil 4! I bought that game and beat it for PS2, Xbox 360 and I think the PS4, and I refuse to buy it yet again for the PS5, let alone a pinball machine!

Seriously though, it kind of boggles my mind why there isn't a SpongeBob machine or a Fast and the Furious machine. I think those pretty much hit every age demographic.

1 year ago

I’ve got to say that I’ve had similar thoughts about pins to the original poster here. We have five pins in the house (shortly six), and only two of them have a licensed theme. Godzilla, the theme is incidental to our enjoyment (we just treat it as a generic monster pin), and Creature from the Black Lagoon is only nominally licensed too.

I don’t understand the obsession with licensing (really weird) pop groups either. It’s actually a disincentive for me to buy a pin, because I have to enjoy the gameplay *so much* that I’m willing to overlook the incomprehensible theme. Like others on here, I’ve been tempted by Galactic Tank Force and even Black Knight: Sword of Rage, but I wish pinball designers would go beyond rehashing cow abductions/alien invasions/cackling medieval knights.

Designers did used to be WAAAYYYY more adventurous. Sword of Fury (Lionman!), Alien Poker (which we own), Embryon, and Farfalla are some seriously weird themes. Long may they continue (just a shame they’re not!)

1 year ago

Sorry, I dropped out after the first sentence.

1 year ago

Guessing you’ve only ever made an attempt at one musical instrument, a guitar, and you didn’t get very far. You sound like a wannabe guitarist that isn’t very good.
Also guessing you’ve never made it through more than the radio songs for Foo Fighters. To make the nonsense opinions about them you do, it isn’t possible you’ve actually listened to entire albums.
And then you say Metallica is good. You’re a disgrace to the rest of us MewithoutYou fans.

1 year ago

a pinball machine requires hard driving music. i love pink floyd and talking heads, but the music is all wrong for pinball and while not the biggest Foo fan, their style is well suited. original themes would be nice, but ask anyone who believes that (myself included) for an original theme and you'll get a blinkered stare and some mumbling. as for boomer themes, it's funny because when boomers played pinball in the 60s and 70s they rarely had licensed themes. the few licensed at boomers are beatles, rolling stones, james bond, munsters.... everything else is aimed more for gen x and millennials. toy story? infinity wars? tmnt? rick and morty? probably not a lot of 60 year olds interested in those. as for the bands you list

Radiohead? good band, but it's stylistically not right for pinball
Animal Collective? same but it's music made by and for people who've never done a day of physical work in their lives
Grimes? If on a scale of 1 to 100 madonna is over processed at about 15, grimes is in the high 80s
Beastie Boys? sure. but judging by most interviews they don't seem likely to license their music
war on drugs? so bland they make James Taylor sound like Rob Zombie

look i get it. everyone has weird tastes. hell, i love ween, gwar, and devo but nowhere outside my booze soaked imagination are they getting a pinball

now, ZZ Top...... maybe QOTSA.....

1 year ago

a pinball machine requires hard driving music. i love pink floyd and talking heads, but the music is all wrong for pinball and while not the biggest Foo fan, their style is well suited. original themes would be nice, but ask anyone who believes that (myself included) for an original theme and you'll get a blinkered stare and some mumbling. as for boomer themes, it's funny because when boomers played pinball in the 60s and 70s they rarely had licensed themes. the few licensed at boomers are beatles, rolling stones, james bond, munsters.... everything else is aimed more for gen x and millennials. toy story? infinity wars? tmnt? rick and morty? probably not a lot of 60 year olds interested in those. as for the bands you list

Radiohead? good band, but it's stylistically not right for pinball
Animal Collective? same but it's music made by and for people who've never done a day of physical work in their lives
Grimes? If on a scale of 1 to 100 madonna is over processed at about 15, grimes is in the high 80s
Beastie Boys? sure. but judging by most interviews they don't seem likely to license their music
war on drugs? so bland they make James Taylor sound like Rob Zombie

look i get it. everyone has weird tastes. hell, i love ween, gwar, and devo but nowhere outside my booze soaked imagination are they getting a pinball

now, ZZ Top...... maybe QOTSA.....

1 year ago

I'm still waiting for my Paper Clips themed pinball machine to be made.
Everybody has heard of them.
Everybody has used them.
Its hard to have strong opinions about them either way. Besides Clippy being a polarizing figure, the rest of the theme is solid gold.
A timeless theme all generations can come together over; Paper Clips. Dare to dream!

1 year ago

Good lord that was pointless. And as far as the Foo Fighters, they can sell out a stadium in any country in the world. Be less dim.

1 year ago

Before I comment, Lets see a little about you:

"Deepblue89 Current Collection

Pinsider Deepblue89 currently owns no machines."

OK, so with that above info now on display for all of us to see, here is my Opinion:
you really should go buy a machine and Shut the heck up you whiny ass Millennial. you don't get to blame pinball shortcomings on you elders.... Either BUY one, BUILD one and sell it like the new themed independents are doing like Jersey Jack,American Pinball,Spooky Pinball ect... or STFU. there is NO THIRD OPTION.

Here endeth the lesson.

12 months ago

This reads like a typical Redditor of today. Your mom should've swallowed you.

12 months ago

I own two '70s Gottliebs and two '80s Ballys...I'd cough up a couple of paychecks for a 'racy' Taylor Swift pin...by the way, one of my Bally's is Xenon...

11 months ago

Eh, stop blaming boomers. Not just one generation is full of mostly cowards, they all are... no one has fought to stop wage stagnation hard enough.

Simple truth is boomers have more money to buy things in general because as part of wage stagnation they started out with more and have more and business needs to appeal to those with money.

Blame the corrupt people who made this happen \m/!

I for one am glad at least there's a generation alive with some money and influence (but not so much they are completely corrupt)... soon it will really just be poor and the rich with no middle.

The real fix for more varied pins is more different people with money to buy pins... not gonna happen any time soon. Be glad for this probably last golden age of pinball funded by mostly boomers cause future pinballs will be made only for a few hundred people who still get paid well who have good taste .

11 months ago

Blocked !

11 months ago

Let's see your pinball design, OP.

11 months ago

Foo Fighters released 9 albums in 15 years and every single one of them went platinum, most than half went 2x or 3x platinum. Foo Fighters' worst-selling album from before 2020 has more sales than every Grime and War on Drugs album combined. What on Earth could you possibly mean when you say they have no classic albums?

Most boomers were in their 40s when Foo Fighters formed. Foo Fighters as a theme IS a risk because it is geared at a younger audience than most pinball machines (GenX & Millennials).

It doesn't sound like you want pinball to take more risks. It sounds like you want pinball to take more risks on things you personally like. If you like niche or emerging things, that's great; when I was young and hip, I did too. But those things do not suit the business of pinball.

Pinball manufacturing is a business completely dependent on scale. The work that goes into mapping out wire harnesses, making playfields, rules, animations, art, etc is too expensive for a high-quality, low-manufacturing machine to be feasible. So manufacturers need to know they're going be able to move high volume.

Sometimes manufacturers DO take a risk on something more niche. Stern just released a Primus table in the last 5 years. Yes, it was a reskin, but that is the necessary tradeoff to make a low-volume run possible.

Meanwhile, Foo Fighters completely sold out at large-run volumes. They do well on location and people like them in the home.

You're completely ignoring the reality of the business of pinball in your complaints. Home owners, who are generally wealthier and older, might buy a game without a theme they know, but a recognizable theme helps sales a lot.

An immense amount of pinball machines are purchased to be part of a business. Running a route or location is all about first-impression appeal. Most pinball machines are set up on location to get a couple bucks out of somebody who doesn't play a lot of pinball -- at a bar, an arcade, a restaurant, or movie theatre. Catering exclusively to diehard pinheads is a really hard business proposition outside of major cities with huge populations.

A random patron is not going to drop their money into a game they don't understand with a theme they don't care about. Theme really matters to location runners, which is why it's smart to use major cultural touchpoints that might appeal to the most possible people.

Also, who is going to put The War On Drugs pinball up in their family restaurant?

11 months ago

Also worth noting: Black Knight wasn't a risk and it wasn't original. It was a throwback to a 1980 IP from Williams which had already had 3 different machines run in the 1980s. Pinball players were familiar with the IP, which contains 2 tables generally considered "classics". If you're concerned about too many games that exclusively cater to old boomer IP from decades ago, Black Knight should be top of your list of examples.

It was more of a collectors' theme (which is why it has had a smaller run than a major theme like Star Wars, at least if the L.E. run is anything to go by), but it wasn't really a risk.

10 months ago

For those that say Foo Fighters are a "bland" band or that Dave rode the coat-tails of Nirvana, I have to ask: Have you ever seen them in concert or watched any of their videos? Because if you had, I think you would have a better outlook on them and their originality and their humor. They are a band that doesn't take themselves too seriously. They are one of the funniest/playful bands ever and if you see them live you will know they put on a fucking helluva show.

8 months ago

The words "Can't satisfy everyone" totally applies to this opening statement.

3 months ago

Interesting observations here. I am 49 years old and just discovered this website after it helped me find a pinball machine my dad owned in the early 80s and which I played in my basement. I had zero interest in pinball for decades since. But coming in to this culture cold, I have had some similar thoughts. The need to use strong IP drawn from other media to entice folks to spend $15k on new machines and to keep manufacturers in business. Personally, I don’t get drawn by Hollywood or Big Music IP, and maybe that’s my own Gen X slant on life. I do like originality, and damn, nostalgia as an emotion has started to amp up as I slide into my 50s. I can’t afford the big Sterns as my kids are about to coast into college. Instead, I am trying to pick up cocktail tables now, because they’re affordable and I can fit them better in my home. My teen kids, out of nowhere, suddenly LOVE pinball because they can play it every day in my home. Ultimately, I think big IP licensing is a double-edge sword. They’re much easier to market but the per-unit cost ensures that home pinball as an experience will always remain extremely niche, the realm of (mostly) dudes with disposable income who can help scratch a nostalgia itch. I say that with care, so don’t take offense, because I absolutely scratched that nostalgia itch myself, even if my old used pin only cost me $650z

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