Black Rose

Bally

Black Rose

Pinside Rating

This game received 297 approved Pinsider ratings and currently rates 7.689 /10

7.689

Top 100 ranking

This game ranks #147 in the Pinside Pinball Top 100.



Score breakdown

Score breakdown in the 4 main categories:

Game Design: 7.714

Artwork: 7.759

Sounds/Music: 7.064

Other Aspects: 7.814


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7.066

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8.308/10
61 days ago
Found this game at NEXT LEVEL Hillsboro Oregon. Most fun game there next to Fish Tales. Seen it before but those were not tuned, broken, and no fun to play. But this game was tuned up fresh, strong, and fun. Lots to do. Many places for the ball to go. Easy for newcomers. Great music, call outs, and animations. Go 90's DMD's!!!! Looking to buy a restored version at some point...
8.088/10
73 days ago
I really like this game.

The layout is quite interesting and consists of many special elements like for example the cannon underneath the playfield and the broadside shot which I especially enjoy. The only thing this game lacks a bit is flow in my opinion.

The rules seem pretty basic but firing the interactive cannon toy and playing the multiball is a lot of fun.

In terms of artwork the entire game looks excellent and given that it is one of the first games to use the Dotmatrix Display the animations are impressive as well.

All in all, this is still quite a good game with a special layout, good rules and excellent artwork.
9.316/10
87 days ago
Could a bit deeper but love it anyway!
Fun fun fun!
8.648/10
7 months ago
It’s a very fun game with a very fun layout! I truly love the pirate theme! There’s not a lot of depth in the rules, and the scoring is a bit odd. Some modes like double broadside can leave you with 200 million points while sinking ships gives you much less.

Dmd animations are some of the best ever though
7.274/10
10 months ago
This title has some cons for sure, like others have mentioned, but after owning it awhile I found it great to just have a simple moment of pinball. Beginners and kids like it as well. This makes it a somewhat sleeper hit if it fits in your budget and you're looking for just one game to own. If the cannon is properly tuned, then you will never notice it effecting the ball. The cannon wireform is also not nearly as intrusive as people say, and you subconsciously kinda use it as a guide for the center shot, which is the only thing in the center that would be obscured anyway. Ramp shots are just a joy to hit and combo. Really, the main issue for me was the incessant music that repeats when the ball is not doing anything. I hear it in my brain still after selling it over a decade ago.
8.468/10
11 months ago
Not the deepest rules and if it's not well tuned, can get boring. But when you set it right, it's really fun. Casual players love it, and for a quick cool game, she delivers.
9.474/10
11 months ago
This game will outplay Addams Family all day long. Unique layout is a breath of fresh air. Fun game that is approachable by all players.
7.748/10
11 months ago
this game was stupid fun.
Its showing its age these days, but there is a charm here I don't get with most tables in the modern era.
I actually took some friends to play pinball that never play, and they all said that black rose was their favorite out of all the tables they played that day.
8.192/10
11 months ago
Its a game that divides ppl for sure.. I played this in the 90s and the right side drains off bad shots to the ramp pissed me off no end but i still wanted to hit that whirlpool.. I have added 2 mini metal posts at the top of the in/out lane dividers to cut down on some of that outlane shenanigans, but i also opened the adjustment on the outlanes to fully open to compensate. Now those drains still happen but it feels like its your fault. I remember thinking even in the 90s that it seemed like an older game somehow with its primative 3ball multiball arangement and jackpot base ruleset, but I just LOVE the cannon. This might be one of the best toys in any game of this era even if it is marginally executed and a pain in a number of ways.
The ruleset is sparse and a tad repetitive but damn me if it isnt a blast just sinking ships..
The inevitable interferance from the cannon make this not a game for flipper tip juggling tricks. In fact the ball can literally change direction just as you are about to hit it.. So it kinda nerfs your skills and its a great leveler.
It gets old after a bit, but new players love the frantic flippering to outswim the shark, and at first at least, the challenge of knife throw and rope swing.
My daughter loves it more than the Crypt and Roadshow,..I dont see it going anywhere. I might do it up and install the 2.0 Skull and Bones mod if the conversion and post isnt a deal breaker by the time it gets to Aus
This game isnt for you if you love a deep ruleset but for me its a nostalgia trip and a bloody great thrash just for fun.

Pros- Popular with new players. FUNNN! simple ruleset, cannon is cool as, lots of extra balls to pickup. good music and calls.

Cons- Not deep, Hassles with the cannon on several levels (gotta take the bad with the good) Can be a bit stop start with all the vid modes and holds in the broadside, But... there is also: 3 shot combos, a loop, and ramp shot returns to both left and right flippers, so flow is there to play if you wont it even tho it wont score anything like smashing it up the guts.
6.943/10
1 year ago
Black Rose is just not personally my cup of tea...
7.491/10
1 year ago
Fun game that was pretty innovative for its time- Cannon is a great toy and never gets old. The outlanes are BRUTAL and make you pay for badly placed shots. The return fire ramp is very different. This game actually shines for its "lightshow" for its time going dark with only red led lights during cannon fire mode. The video modes are also fun and different "knife throw, walk the plank". All in all a very fun albeit tough early 90's bally.
7.760/10
1 year ago
Enjoy the the game more the more I play. Good theme fun to shoot the cannon.
9.340/10
2 years ago
Surprisingly fun game. Really enjoying it.

Love the music and sound fx in this one. Main theme is an ear worm and music/sound is a huge part of game enjoyment for me.

Only thing I'm not liking so far is the cannon assembly is hard to level -- going to pull it and see if maybe the plastic is a bit warped as I can get about 270+ degrees perfectly flush, but the portion closest to the flipper seems to sag down almost.
10.000/10
2 years ago
Very underated pin. Must have WPC title. Lower cannon a blast....pun intended!
10.000/10
2 years ago
Ein unterschätzter Pin der immer wieder Spaß macht aber auch echt schwer ist , da er keine Fehler verzeiht
7.320/10
2 years ago
The first pin i bought and it will not leave the collection near future
Still fun to sink ship and play for multiball .
6.356/10
2 years ago
I’ve played Black Rose on the Williams Pinball app and in real life.

Black Rose is better in real life - the shots feel more interesting, possibly because the third flipper works better on the physical machine, and it’s harder to just shoot the broadside over.

However, the layout feels oddly crowded and the main event seems to be the cannon. It’s not bad - it’s just not gripping enough for me to want to explore further.

Also, I hate the animations.
7.376/10
2 years ago
Black Rose is a fun shooter with some unique shots. I'm always a sucker for the upper flipper shot, and this one is repeatable similarly to the star trek warp ramp. The rules are simple enough to understand with the goal being to sink ships for rewards and get multiball. Overall it's a fun shooter and the game is fun enough, albeit a little shallow. I enjoy it overall plenty though.
7.460/10
2 years ago
Black Rose, a game we all want to love…
But…
Anything with pirates is instantly cool. Even bad films, books, or video games get a slightly higher rating if pirates are involved, unless we’re talking about pirating said item, that’s not cool.
Black Rose has potential. Not just because of pirates but because it all almost comes together.
Keep in mind that I have a very difficult time talking about the negatives of the machines from the 1990’s WPC golden era. There is no doubt that pinball had reached a crescendo never seen before or since. It actually gets to the point where you feel you are comparing Michelangelo’s to Raphael’s. Not the turtles…
Black Rose isn’t as strong of a game as most others from this era.
There! I said it.
Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t love to own one, but I love all pinball.
Sound and music:
The music is really good, as is the sound quality. One of the problems lies in the callouts. “Shoot this! Do that! Nag nag nag!” First of all don’t tell me, I know! I get it! Secondly, either the voices and I have been married too long or they hired my mother back when ai was a teenager. Sure this isn’t as heavy handed as Cirqus Voltaire or Tales of the Arabian Nights, but it’s there just the same.
If your ruleset and shots are so confusing that you have to have an announcer tell the player where to shoot the ball, then your playfield is the problem, not the player.
Design:
There are problems with this playfield as well, the design is torn between instant reward no brainer shots and difficult hidden or obscured targets. The flow is interrupted by trick shots and stupid luck shots. It’s missing the middle type shots. A very unbalanced game that is challenging but loses its fun Good, but not great.
Artwork:
Here’s a shining example of a good art package. Although the toys are a bit cluttered, the game art is incredibly attractive. The side of the cabinet Black Rose logo stands out, sadly most pinballs have this area obscured by other nearby machines. Some of the art looks a bit cluttered but it all does what it’s supposed to do, attract attention.
Fun factor and lastabiliy:
Subjective opinion is up to the individual. I found the game to be a bit too shallow and repetitive. If the repetition is fun, this isn’t a problem, but many shots on this machine are somewhat a chore to build up to the next minor award. On the other hand, if you aren’t playing it frequently I’d assume this wouldn’t be a problem, but three games on this machine seems to be the limit until next time.
The big question would probably be is it a keeper. I can’t say. If I bought one, would I keep it forever or blast a few hundred games on it and then sell it on to the next person. Pirates of the Caribbean may be a better choice for some, others may prefer a non pirate containing licensed product like Terminator 2 or Whatever. The right theme helps drive the lastability factor quite a lot with many owners, This game is for someone who really loves pirates but really hates Disney pirates.
That’s me to be honest!
You won’t see people lining up to play Black Rose. This is a benefit because you don’t have to wait at a small show like you would to play the Indiana Jones. I once heard someone say “If it were a System 11 game, Black Rose would probably be forgotten.” Sad, but probably true. I still love the machine, but let’s be honest, it’s not one of the Holy Grail games everyone in general loves. Just a really good game that just happened to be a part of the golden era of pinball.
8.496/10
2 years ago
Love this game but the outlanes are brutal.
7.388/10
2 years ago
Great introductory WPC game for first time buyers. Fun theme and cool cannon gimmick. Arrr matey shiver me timbers!
8.336/10
3 years ago
Vera nice game to play, had a lot of run on this machine.
6.665/10
3 years ago
Fun toys and a good layout, but that center rail is so distracting and the game is just missing the magic of other games from that timeframe.
8.375/10
3 years ago
Played the heck out of this at the on-campus beer bar in grad school. My sleeper pick for great games... good balance of flow and toys with interesting rules and a cool theme.
6.652/10
3 years ago
Not a fan of this game. Art is bland as is the gameplay and rules. A definite pass for me.
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