One is grabbing the flippers, the other is reaching between the flippers at the ball. Both are playing out a theme. They are different.

Ahhh I knew this thread would be one of the longest... When the game gets released I think that thread could have over 1000 replies...

They are protecting their investment. I've been "TILTED" here for not falling all over myself in love with certain parts of the design.

Silly stuff, but... I guess when big $$$ is on the line...

BVM is the newest troll, I see. Again.

Has anyone done any sort of mockup that shows what this looks like in context? It may be earlier in the thread, but I can't bring myself to read all the bickering.

Ahhh, reinforcements. I held him off as long as I could gambit. LOL

Herg, see page 2 of this thread. They are overlays that are a little rough. They still do not have the plastics or toys, and the apron might also factor into the artwork or gameplay (possibly something that has never been done before).

Second page 3/4 of the way down the page, gives a rough idea, not from JJP.

Thanks, guys.

No not new, unless the "again" part was your way of acknowledging his previous screen name.

I have only been around for about a year but it amuses me when people, and off the top of my head I can think of at least 3, excessively antagonize members here, get called out on it, run away with their tails between their legs, come back under a different name, and expect no one to know who they are.

As sand through the hourglass....

Yeah, he isn't new. Just at it again. Great. Maybe he'll leave just in time for TheJesus to rise again.

Nobody is gonna rain on my parade! Especially with idiotic statements....

Seems to be a massive glut of negativity lately.

Dude you go on and on about how the WOZ owners group has drunk the JJP kool-aid and can not say anything negative about the game they have invested money into and that you are one of the very few who can see the playfield art for the inferior product that it truly is. The premise of your entire point is negated by the fact the when JJP rolled out the "Flintstones Rainbow" the group went ballistic on how disappointed they were with that item and Jack has said that is being changed.

So for you to say that the WOZ group can only be positive to protect their investment is complete BULLSHIT. Maybe the reason the group is 99% positive on the artwork is that they really like it! Of course you are entitled to tell us all how much you dislike it but you are not entitled to tell us what our opinions should be.

I'm glad to hear it.

Has new news been released from JJP this week?

Somebody asked Jack about a rumor that there were going to be 1,100 ECLEs and he said that is false. 1,000 only. Slow info week.

I really liked the rainbow!

Why do you find it so hard to believe that so many of us genuinely like it? I think it looks great.

Edit: The playfield, not the rainbow.

_{Post edited by txstargazer3 : Clarification}

I really don't understand why you just don't bail out and get a refund, Chocky. Instead of the psychobabble and theoretical BS, just admit that you aren't happy with your purchase decision and get out. This is the worst case of buyer's remorse I have ever seen.

I think it's important to remember, there is negative criticism and there is creative criticism done negatively. There's no harm in being critical and giving opinions, we all have them.. but make suggestions and solutions rather than shoot something down completely.

It's obvious that Jack and his team are watching, and they're responding the our reactions by changing designs. Try and look at that in a positive way, and use it to your advantage. The moment you present your opinions in an immaturely negative way is the moment you lose credibility and your voice will no longer be heard, let alone the fact that it reflects poorly on the board.

If you want to be taken seriously, then be serious (and mature) about it... that's all.

If you want to be a schoolyard bully, head on over to RGP.

Then you need to stop telling everyone that they aren't really happy with the PF art and are just being JJP asskissing sheep. I think the PF is awesome. I don't ever post on the WOZ Owner's Google Group, and I don't blow smoke up Jack's skirt, either. You have stated your case. This isn't the forum to institute change at JJP. You made your point on the WOZ Group. Not many agree with you. Deal with it.

Gotta agree with Chocky here. There are quite a few people that take offence to peoples opinions about games etc, yet this is what a forum is for, to discuss things and give different opinions. It is not about attacking someone or what they think about something. Heck I have given my opinion about alot of Stern games yet I have no problem if someone likes it.. Sure buy one if you are happy with it, but dont give me shit about my opinion. I agree it might be negative but theres nothing wrong with freedom of speech. I would rather a forum with all different points of view than a forum with a bunch of brown noses afraid of sharing their views so that they can 'fit in'.

No one agrees with your PF issue, apparently. If you are taking my comments as abuse, then you are either sheltered and have never been truly abused, or you are overly sensitive. You didn't exactly couch your complaints in a constructive way, and you've done nothing but complain about this title since you bought in.

...and talk about a cheering section. RGR and BVM have your back. That's some fine company.

I have watched you run from board to board moaning and complaining. You basically shunned in the WOZ Group for this same thing.

I have zero interest in being associated with you.

TOPIC=WOZ playfield artwork revealed!!!

I love the PF.

Me too...Colours, design, style. Good work.

LMFAO! Thats a good one

When is the official release date?

All you have done is bitch and moan lol. First with the backglass contest, and then with the artwork. Jack had to delete a few of your posts. I don't think anyone else has had a post deleted on the group besides you. Guessing that is why you went and changed your name?

Keep telling everyone they are wrong. You will soon sway the overwhelming public opinion. I am sure of it.

We have. But we are all wrong. You told us. Many times.

How many "limited editions" are being made?

What are you looking at???? EATPM has some of the BEST artwork in all of pinball and WOZ isn't quite in the same league (IMHO). Actually, I take that back. I think that's a fact.

The hounds are away.

What number have you gone for? Were you able to pick?

15,000.. I'm all for setting heights high, but.. 15,000.