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Wizard of Oz
Jersey Jack Pinball, 2013Help us build a pinball game knowledge base by linking forum topics to the games they're about.
Jack is not messing around or cutting corners. He has some of the best pinball designers doing this project. Jack is a big talker (not in a BS way), but he lets results and actions speak even louder than his words.
Also, the guys working on WOZ seem to genuinely enjoy working for JJP and are taking pride in what they are creating. Believe me, I have spoken to a couple of the employees via e-mail.
DCFAN said:
I guess that shows you how valuable the license really is. It is probably the most mainstream license in the history of pinball if such a thing was possible to guage.
Ironically, Wizard of Oz the book is public domain.
Looks like it is going to be a great pin. Personally, don't like the theme, but I'm glad that JJP is changing the business and making Stern step up their game. I believe that without JJP AC/DC pro-version would have been the only version and the Premium/Limited really looks awesome.
The only thing Jack said that hasn't come true is the "Dark" theme WOZ he said was going to happen. Knowing how WB protects its property, I wondered how he would be able to change it enough and get it approved by them.
I will own a JJP someday, just waiting for the right theme.
I seriously had no idea, I thought it was some guy named Vanderselt, maybe that was cab only? Anyway I just can't see how a guy who did all of this:
http://pinside.com/pinball/archive/greg-freres
...TRULY wanted the WOZ Pf to look like this, he must have been biting his tongue when you guys are quoting him.
I will blame the license Nazi's then, what a shame.
I like the looks of it, that wicked witch insert looks pretty phallic though, I wonder if that will go through a change, or if we'll just be making fun of it while playing it.
::shoot for the penis wearing a hat!::
I don't care if it's there on the playfield, I'm still pumped to play it.
Honch said:
I don't think it compares well to the work Greg did on the Elvira pins, but it's not bad. I would have liked to seen all of it be hand drawn.
I think that is just a matter of the difference between a licensed and non-licensed pin.
The playfield art definitely looks better than anything Stern has done (and I own LOTR and SM).
Exejet said:
Glad I'm out! BTW I couldn't find 1 person to buy my positions at $6500!
Shoot........... I ordered back in June and had I seen your post to sell yours at $6500, I would have been all over it. One awesome machine in my game room and the another NIB . Did I miss your post in the WOZ forum? on RGP or here on Pinside?
Chris Ward
jimjim66 said:
DCFAN said:
The only thing Jack said that hasn't come true is the "Dark" theme WOZ he said was going to happen. Knowing how WB protects its property, I wondered how he would be able to change it enough and get it approved by them.
I will own a JJP someday, just waiting for the right theme.
+1
Will put some quarters in it when I see it in the "wild" the first time.
i think it looks great. i'd like to get one, have to try it first.
my first impression was '' is me or there is too much stuff on the playfield close to each others, around the lion and tinman'' thats a lot of inserts.
I think it is awesome artwork!! No matter how good a job you do some people are going to complain,some people just can not be pleased,so it is better to try to please the majority and not let the rest of those that are not satisfied buy from someone else.At least that is my experience in building new homes.Some buyers I just need to pass on,I bet Jack feels the same way.I did not pre-order due to lack of funds But I wish I had,WOZ is going to be a game changer!!!
Just a thought for the naysayers on the pf artwork. Is it possible that a good percentage of what is there is actually hand-drawn? Do any of you know with 100% certainty which pieces are "photo-shopped" and which are not? Have any of you ever seen the work of a photo-realist painter like Charles Bell? Take a look at some of his work and maybe you'll see that some hand drawn images can look very real indeed.
Lastly, Jack has said many times that sometimes he releases snippets that may or may not be true.
Blakesell said:
that wicked witch insert looks pretty phallic though,
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to try and create a new visual similar to the LOTR LE "hair dick" for this pin. Come on...really?? 
Seriously, that is a fantastic looking playfield...!
Half_Life said:
Is it possible that a good percentage of what is there is actually hand-drawn? Do any of you know with 100% certainty which pieces are "photo-shopped" and which are not?
I don't think anybody(outside of JJP) can say with absolute certainty. I believe, (being a big fan of Greg's work) I could determine what is shopped with a high degree of accuracy. Hard to tell how nice it will really be until the playfield is loaded with all the toys, inserts,lights, etc....
C'mon Vegas, I am a strong supporter of this playfield, it's just one of the things that once you see it.. it cannot be unseen.
If I had the cash, I would have bought one of these machines, and I am not a WoZ hater by any means. I will be more than happy to play this the second I get the opportunity, and I'll give it the fairness it deserves just like any new machine I play. As anyone may recall, I was ready to hate on Ac/DC and I was proven wrong quickly.
It looks good. Personally when i heard hand drawn, as a artist myself, thought of comic style. (Old DE) i can do very real photo realistic stuff myself. So i think allot of people hear hand drawn and go to cartoony stuff like melons.
I think the pf looks good. I dont hate on photoshop stuff either it has its place. Take Transformers probably the best Shopped pf to come from stern in i dunno ever.
RobT said:
The_Gorilla said:Of course I have no way of KNOWING this but I feel sorry for the people who are skipping out because of the theme because I think they are making a bad mistake.
I don't think they are necessarily making a mistake. If they play one after it comes out and they think that the game play is good enough to get past the theme, they can still buy one. So if you don't like the theme, it actually makes more sense to not pre-order one as it is the safer bet.
I 100% agree with you, Rob. I didn't really word my real concern very well which is that someone would never give the game a chance at all based on theme. THAT is the mistake I would worry about. Maybe I am projecting my own values to other peoples, meaning that if I really hated a theme, I would not even play the game with an open mind.
Off to a wedding reception so everyone that is trying to reach me, I will have to get back to you later.
Of course, I am kidding. No one is trying to reach me. I just like to pretend that I am important.
The_Gorilla said:
I 100% agree with you, Rob. I didn't really word my real concern very well which is that someone would never give the game a chance at all based on theme. THAT is the mistake I would worry about.
I'd certainly agree with you on that.
Glad I'm out! BTW I couldn't find 1 person to buy my positions at $6500!
Did you post it here? I have never seen that offer. What #'s? Do you still have it for sale?
I just hope that when the game comes out, and it turns out to be a hit (maybe, maybe not?) that the theme haters don't miss out on playing one of the greatest games ever.
You know they will buy credits on one when nobody is looking! Notice I said buy credits instead of drop quarters or put money in since it will not need actual money going in.
bluevegas said:
Forbelsop said:What's the significance of horses in Wizard f Oz?
A horse of a different color! Its From when they get to the Emerald city
Seems like way too many horsies for what a passing reference in the movie.
I wouldn't say it looks "great" when compared to previous pins that came before it, but it is a good effort and certainly fits with the cabinet design. I'm sure the lighting effects will enhance the overall look even further.
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