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Weapons of Pindestruction!

By Marten

12 years ago

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Road Show Williams, 1994

#1 12 years ago

MBG

I recently did a flipper rebuild and a playfield polish on my Roadshow and am NOT liking the results.
The flippers seem super strong now and the ball flies around like a bullet. It hasn't happened yet but
I'm afraid broken plastics are in my near future.
The main suspects now are the flipper coils.
Whoever wrote the manual must have been confused as there are two different coils listed. It says they should be the orange FL15411 (which are installed) but elsewhere it says to use yellow FL11753's. The latter sound a little weak for the main flippers though.

Has anyone ever used them or should I try something in between like the red FL11630's?

#2 12 years ago

JLW

jrrdw

Pinside member

White Hall, MD

14y 56,100 2,144 1 12

Use the manufactures recommendations and go by the number not the color. Did you get the adjustment on the EOS switch right? Sounds like your getting high voltage the entire stroke...

#3 12 years ago

BKC

pinster68

Pinside+ Frequent

Asbury Park, NJ

13y 114K 4,338 10 33

Good advice there from jrrdw... stick with stock configuration and check those EOS switches.

RS is a great game ... a favorite in our house.

#4 12 years ago

LTG

Pinside member

Hopkins, MN

12y 191K 56,987 24 7

This is flitronics so forget your EOS points.

The manufacturers usually used coils too strong for the game. They knew they'd be dirty and not kept up.

Now the collectors usually take better care of their games. New balls, playfield cleaned and waxed. So often you can go a coil size weaker and still get good performance and not break stuff.

FL-11629 (blue) Strongest
FL-15411 (orange)
FL-11630 (red)
FL-11722 (green)
FL-11753 (yellow) Weakest.

LTG

#5 12 years ago

TOX

ChrisHibler

Chris' Pinball Repair

Chesterfield, MO

12y 120K 9,996 46

OP
Quoted from Marten:
I recently did a flipper rebuild and a playfield polish on my roadshow and am NOT liking the results.
The flippers seem super strong now and the ball flies around like a bullet. It hasn't happened yet but
I'm afraid broken plastics are in my near future.
The main suspects now are the flipper coils.
Whoever wrote the manual must have been confused as there are two different coils listed. It says they should be the orange FL15411 (which are installed) but elsewhere it says to use yellow FL11753's. The latter sound a little weak for the main flippers though.
Has anyone ever used them or should I try something in between like the red FL11630's?

Flipper coil strength table...
http://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Williams_WPC#Flipper_Problems

Roadshow is a FlipTronics game. The EOS switches have nothing to do with stroke power. The game will play the same with them forced closed or with them completely missing. Here is a description of how WPC FlipTronics games work...

http://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Williams_WPC#WPC_FlipTronics_I_.26_II_Boards

Your choices are slim...weaker flippers or risky play...
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#6 12 years ago

TOX

ChrisHibler

Chris' Pinball Repair

Chesterfield, MO

12y 120K 9,996 46

Oops...flipper coil strength table is here...
http://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Williams_WPC#Flipper_Coils

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Chris Hibler - CARGPB #31
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#7 12 years ago

JES

JesseB

Pinside member

Indianapolis, IN

20y 49,150 527 1

you could try increasing the rear of the playfield by a degree or two

#8 12 years ago

MBG

Marten

Pinside member

12y 77,550 878

Ok, so I'll order some FL-11630's and see how they do. Thanks for the help!

#9 12 years ago

MBG

Marten

Pinside member

12y 77,550 878

Quoted from JesseB:
you could try increasing the rear of the playfield by a degree or two

That would help a little but would speed the ball up going downhill and make the game more
difficult. And with my flipper skills difficulty is not something I need to increase.

2 weeks later

#10 12 years ago

MBG

Marten

Pinside member

12y 77,550 878

Quoted from LTG:
The manufacturers usually used coils too strong for the game. They knew they'd be dirty and not kept up.

Now the collectors usually take better care of their games. New balls, playfield cleaned and waxed. So often you can go a coil size weaker and still get good performance and not break stuff.

So, I got to install the red FL11630 coils last week and they work great. The balls are still easily making it up the far ramps but not moving so fast that my eyes can't track them.
Their power is PLENTY on a well maintained machine.

Thanks for the help, another case closed.

#11 12 years ago

MAT

Anim8ormatt

Inactive member

Highlands Ranch, CO

12y 54,400 2,193 5 21

Do you need to do anything to the boards when upping or lowering flipper coil strength?

#12 12 years ago

TRN

fattrain

Pinside member

15y 118K 5,140

Quoted from Anim8ormatt:
Do you need to do anything to the boards when upping or lowering flipper coil strength?

My guess would be No, because it still pumps the same voltage to the coils. There is just more or less coil windings making it weaker or stronger.

#13 12 years ago

MBG

Marten

Pinside member

12y 77,550 878

Quoted from Anim8ormatt:
Do you need to do anything to the boards when upping or lowering flipper coil strength?

Quoted from fattrain:
My guess would be No, because it still pumps the same voltage to the coils. There is just more or less coil windings making it weaker or stronger.

I didn't do anything else, so that seems to be true.

#14 12 years ago

LTG

Pinside member

Hopkins, MN

12y 191K 56,987 24 7

Quoted from Anim8ormatt:
Do you need to do anything to the boards when upping or lowering flipper coil strength?

No.

LTG

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