Can't tell if you are serious or joking about today's announcement.

buy a new one. if the le's are sold out they will continue with the standard version.

new boards and all, brand new.

If you are serious about passing on it, could you please forward me his info? I would be glad to get it for $8k.

I think it's a great op to buy an original at a discount. These may dip initially from people panic dumping. You have the upper hand. Why not offer him less as he has two and you can be sure he is more than a little anxious about it!

I'm pretty sure he knows. All of a sudden an email out of the blue?

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Buy a new one, seriously.

Buy a WOZ

yep

Why buy the old one?....Pick up the new LE for 8k, no brainer.....

nib all the way, with a warranty.

I wouldn't deal with that guy, sounds like a dick for holding two MM's and only will sell you when he is trying to take advantage of you.

Best idea yet:

Use the information about the new one and get a better price on the old one, if money is not a problem/concern for you, then buy the new one.

Offer 6K,

just a thought.

Limeline...I think I remember you always saying $5,000

Yep no brainer. Take the money that he's going to spend on a new one, buy a pro and save a couple bucks damnit.

Do the shopped older versions have any mods or enhancements? Color DMD perhaps? Clear coated playfields? That info would make a big difference to many and is necessary for people to give you advice on the question.

Condition and upgrades (like a clear coated playfied) are king.

My phone battery died from all the calls I got today and I have nothing to do with the hobby other than owning 5 games. Do you really think he did not know?
Buy the new one. Castle gates and assemblies are very expensive and its doubtful that his shopped game has new ones. If you wanna be an investor buy the shopped one. If you wanna have a player game with all new stuff hold out for the new one.
Think about it....a brand new playfield, no lifting inserts, no yellowing of the inserts, all mechs new and not needing rebuilding, a warranty, no goofy stuff happening to an old translite, probably better lighting behind the translite, new technology higher speed chips, non ghosting LEDs, no yellowing plastics, a new shooter lane you can put mylar on to keep it looking new, a shaker, no rusty threads on leveling legs, no chips in the cabinet, no broken welds or tarnishing on the wireforms etc.
Holy cow...I think I just described a $24,000 MM on Ebay!

You left out, No Williams logo

I would buy the original he offered for 8k. I would rather have an original than the remake every day. Once the dust settles, the good condition MM's will not lose much of their value at all, but don't buy it for an investment, pinball is not an investment, its a hobby and hobbies cost money.

Sort of a contradiction in your statement though. On one hand you are saying that pinball is not an investment. On the other hand you are saying the "good condition MM's will not lose much of their value at all." If I'm buying into your statement that pinball is not an investment then why would I care about the latter comment?

Anyway, I always air on the side of a new, reliable machine. I have a busy career so the last thing I want is an old machine with issues.

It'll be fun to see how the WMS sell now. I'm glad I'm not someone that bought one for over 8K in the last few days.

Not a contradiction at all. I buy pins because I like them and not for monetary gain.

The comment about MM not going down in price is just what I think and what I think the OP should do since he did ask for our opinion, or am I not allowed an opinion.

until they actually produce one, who knows. buy it if you want it. if it is a game you want, then get it. the sky is falling lmao.... should see plenty of people dumping them now since the price on medieval is going to be lower than a whirlwind or pinbot. this shit is too funny .... buy and enjoy what you want to enjoy.

If you would like a Williams logo I can send you a link.

If the guy is offering you a non restored game for $8,000 and we can buy new ones, LE or not for $8,000 it seams to make sense to hold out for a new one. If I was staring at two games in front of me, one a brand new remake, the other a beater with thousands of plays on it, I would want it for a few thousand less. If the sell said "no way," then new it is.

Or print out a sticker

rd

I would also buy the original for $8k. If it was mint.

If it was a beater, nope. But mint, yep.

rd

Don't even think....New one.

Since new.ones are sold out id take this for 8k easily. Ill buy if you dont for 8300 from you

Yeah most that currently own one will reply buy it. Those that don't will likely tell you no brainer go new. I don't own one but plan to get a new one if I can get one so my obvious opinion would be buy a brand spanking new one.

Im not buying anything for the time being. That's my take. See how all of this craziness pans out.

The first installment is sold out, wait for round 2.

yes

How do you know? Was there some announcement by PPS?

Depends if it is an old original opinion or an nib one, seems we are all only interested in nib ones today

That's a super optimistic outcome but there is no guarantee this will be the case. It will be running on an emulator, the PF could be as hit-or-miss as Stern's, the build quality may be questionable, it may not have Wms non-buzzing dual coil flipper system, the mech's may be cheapo quality etc etc...

I hope it's awesome but this isn't a "no brainer"... if I didn't have one already I'd tell the guy about the remakes and offer him 6.5k maybe. IF it's in damn good condition (which is doubtful if it's been routed for 15 years)

No way an original MM is worth $8k now. Maybe $5k in great shape. It's 15 YEARS old. You can have a new one for $3k more = no brainer.

The remake is going to be such a nicer game with LEDs twice coated playfield undated
boards its a no brainer. Now if he dropped to between 4 an 5 thousand he might have a
better chance of selling it.

Decals & emblems will be made as mods I'm sure

Yeah and couldn't you just pop in a WPC 95 speaker panel?

http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2925

Eeeegggggggg

It interests me that the collectors are poo-pooing the new machine. As an antique, I understand why people would want to have the machine. It is a part of history. But here is what I don't understand. Anybody that bought a MM and then bought a new playfield...do you really have the original machine anymore? If you took your playfield and had it clear coated, does it play the same way that it played before? If you had a bunch of plastics replaced because they are broken, they aren't probably original either.

When you look at a 15K MM, none of them seem to be original. They are all tricked out with new parts.

How much different is the new MMR machine going to be from a "restored" MM. Hopefully the MMR is going to use good quality parts. For 8K you would think that they would use high quality parts, but depends on if the manufacturer is there to make a quick buck or to try and start making reproduction machines. I hope they are there to make high quality reproductions, not just make a quick buck using poor quality.

I think I'd opt for the new technology as well as the other improvements in the game. Its going to be all original type BWMS mechanical parts (just as in WOZ) except where new electronics is concerned, so I don't see where there would be problems there. I cannot remember who is assembling them, but they have been in the business for quite awhile as I had read in another thread. It would be tempting to grab this one at 6500 though if it were really nice and you did not want to wait for the new one. Location is an issue too. Wouldn't you prefer to see it in person before buying since waiting would reward you with a NIB perfect game? Good luck. We have a wonderfully rainy saturday here....a great day for pinball!

So if I have something that you want and I don't sell it to you at the price you want me to sell it to you for Im a DICK.

OK. Wow

Four big reasons come to mind:
1) Anger. If someone just paid $10-15k for a 15 year old machine that's now worth about $5k... Well, that'd be pretty upsetting to have flushed around $5-10k down the toilet.
2) Jealousy. If someone paid $10-15k for a machine people can now buy for $8k (or less for a non-LE), well, jealousy kicks in for some. "Why are THEY getting a great deal?!"
3) I ain't special no-mo syndrome. MM is a great game... a lot of the old guard around here got them for great prices. Now, the masses can have one at least as good as the old one = "I ain't special no-mo syndrome"
4) Slaughtering Sacred Cows. Other sacred cows are sure to fall... MB, AFM, CV. A lot of people paid a lot of money for those games. See #1-3 above.

Everyone else who doesn't own a sacred cow game? We're all THRILLED.

I can't believe people are saying things like 'warranty' - seriously???

The new game has all kinds of unknowns still... will the board set be reliable? how easy will it be to repair? What about the quality of the new repo'd parts? Will their LED system be good or bad? Remember.. every 'new comer' has great ideas.. ideas that don't necessarily have years or decades of experience and shakedown behind them.

WPC is well known and understood - it's pros and cons are quite clear. And the originals will hold their value because it's the real deal with quality that people appreciate.

Prices will correct because there will be another avenue for those 'that just have to have one' - but the original will still be an 8k game in today's prices. As long as it's playfield isn't blown out or needs major restoration... 8k seems like a win and jump on it.

If you just want a game to play.. and don't care about anything.. buy a new one. But WPC vs unknowns?? I think the WPC wins there.

MM is a 4K machine people!

This is AWSOME!

4K! At that price I will buy another one! Please pick one up and I will pay you a $1 buyers fee.