For example look at the WOZ artwork thread, there are about 65 posts. At RGP, their WOZ artwork thread has only been about 5 posts and about 55 views.
I have noticed this trend for the last few months.
Pinside is the new #1.

I think Google groups is still having issues right now though. Has been pretty dead at RGP and majority are still unfortunately still using Google to post : /

Always been the best pinball site!!!!!!!!!!

What if a Woz thread had 1184 posts and 15745 views...now that would be something

Each forum has its place Pinside has grown by leaps and bounds.
I think Rgp suffers from layout and search issues.

DCFAN said:

For example look at the WOZ artwork thread, there are about 65 posts. At RGP, their WOZ artwork thread has only been about 5 posts and about 55 views.

Well at least the folks over on RGP got the memo about the art not being all hand drawn.

DCFAN said:

I have noticed this trend for the last few months.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out posts are down on RGP.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/about

DCFAN said:

Pinside is the new #1.

If you're counting only the total number of posts, sure, Pinside has more posts. That's not how I judge a bulletin board. I consider posts like yours a negative against Pinside. If you want to find out who's best, do it on a pinball machine, not on a bulletin board.

If you want to find out who's best, do it on a pinball machine, not on a bulletin board.

The WOZ thread is great, if you agree that the art is good.

Pinside can't touch the wealth of knowledge and history of RGP.

DCFAN said:

For example look at the WOZ artwork thread, there are about 65 posts. At RGP, their WOZ artwork thread has only been about 5 posts and about 55 views.
I have noticed this trend for the last few months.
Pinside is the new #1.

I think both sites serve a useful purpose. Of course, I do prefer Pinside.

I don't usually spend much time on pinball forums, but when I do I do Pinside.

I prefer Chevy trucks. All others are inferior.

Oh sorry, wrong post argument

I knew this day would come.

HOOKED said:

What if a Woz thread had 1184 posts and 15745 views...now that would be something
Each forum has its place Pinside has grown by leaps and bounds.
I think Rgp suffers from layout and search issues.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Bleh!

WORD!

Doesn't really matter who is #1 or #2
What does matter is the core of the group
would you hang out with them at a gathering & have a good time or get insulted and have a lousy time ?

HELLODEADCITY said:

What does matter is the core of the group
would you hang out with them at a gathering & have a good time or get insulted and have a lousy time ? [:thinking:]

Well said

The_Gorilla said:

I prefer Chevy trucks. All others are inferior.

ME TOO!

Great site but cannot compare the two.

Keep up the great work moderators.

I use both sites. Too much fighting over stupid sh*t in the pinball world. Seriously, who cares?

DCFAN said:

For example look at the WOZ artwork thread, there are about 65 posts. At RGP, their WOZ artwork thread has only been about 5 posts and about 55 views.
I have noticed this trend for the last few months.
Pinside is the new #1.

This type of post makes pinside look extremely bad and amateurish. Pinside already has the reputation for being the hangout of clueless newbies, and "look how much the other guys suck! They're only doing sixteen thousand posts per month!" posts make pinside look even worse. (Plus one seems to come around once a week. Really, WE GET IT, we're already here!)

There is an old adage in the advertising industry that's as true today as it was when it was made: Tell people what's better about yourself and they'll figure out what's worse about the other guy. Violate that and you wind up making yourself look bad and pushing people away.

KindOfRadNow said:

This type of post makes pinside look extremely bad and amateurish. Pinside already has the reputation for being the hangout of clueless newbies, and "look how much the other guys suck!

They also have the reputation for driving up prices for games by paying stupid money for games.

All I was trying to convey is that the threads are very active here and that it is like watching grass grow over on rgp .

There is always the old adage of quality over quantity.....RGP is steeped in history and is a wealth of knowledge. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Pinside and Pinsiders, and find people here much more pleasant and agreeable. If I wanted to see red legs on a BSD, this is where I'd go. If I wanted to know why my machine is blowing up, I'd go to RGP.

Again, not knocking anyone....I like both forums for different reasons.

The seld egrandation around here by newer guys is sometimes annoying.

But the RGP shoestring budget, carmudgeonly bullshit (see Stavs: above) is far worse.

I am anything but a curmudgeon.

Previous posts to the contrary. It's just the RGP attitude. I have been active and a part of the online community for more than 10 years, but I could rarely stand to frequent RGP for the same reasons: everyone bitching about the price someone paid for a game, everyone bitching about the ugly mods someone was adding to a game, everyone bitching at someone asking for help and only offering the shitty Search function as a recourse, and everyone being really proud of themselves and their opinions. It's actually a detestable hive of pompous shitheads, and always has been. Without LTG and the few other helpful posters over there that offer top-notch TECH help, it would be a worthless bath of insults and snide commentary.

Coming to the Pinside forums and telling us how infantile and irresponsible we are with pricing is nothing but RGP sour grapes.

We are all entitled to our opinions which is what makes this country great.

Stavs said:

We are all entitled to our opinions which is what makes this country great.

Opinions aren't restricted by geography. Save the patriotism. Entitlement is part of the problem, but again, not restricted by geography. Everyone is entitled to being prickish to others in their own niche hobby, and RGP is the rondezvous point.

Not many pinside threads interest me. Same noob questions week after week. Same lame polls along with price checks and what kind of wax should I use. Yawn.

Then why bother posting here? Jesus, there is an unsavory delegation in this hobby.

Dr_Gonzo said:

Not many pinside threads interest me. Same noob questions week after week. Same lame polls along with price checks and what kind of wax should I use. Yawn.

You must be kidding? You enjoy the daily Frank Further troll fests? And let's see, here's the top current threads on RGP:

"Anyone use Novus 1"
"Naptha"
"Tron Pro or BDK"
"PLayfield artwork for WOZ"
"What song is stuck in your head"
"awesome TOM playfield MOD - yet another tiring thread on Gameroom guy and his models"

So, repetitive posts abound on both forums....And not many RGP posts (where I cut my teeth for 10 years) interest me anymore. I do still peruse RGP on occasion as RGP tends to have more insider info, but the white noise has gotten much worse in the past couple of years.

gambit3113 said:

Then why bother posting here? Jesus, there is an unsavory delegation in this hobby.

I dont think I was off on my comments. I enjoy both sites, as well as others. There are certainly a lot of great interesting posts here, as well as many great people. Overall, this is a fantastic site, and is extremely well done. It combines the best of RGP and IPDB in a nice easy to use package in my opinion. The level of interactivity that this site offers is probably the best in the hobby. You post a pic, video, or a comment, and bam, its up there for everyone to see.

robertmee said:

Dr_Gonzo said:Not many pinside threads interest me. Same noob questions week after week. Same lame polls along with price checks and what kind of wax should I use. Yawn.
You must be kidding? You enjoy the daily Frank Further troll fests? And let's see, here's the top current threads on RGP:
"Anyone use Novus 1"
"Naptha"
"Tron Pro or BDK"
"PLayfield artwork for WOZ"
"What song is stuck in your head"
"awesome TOM playfield MOD - yet another tiring thread on Gameroom guy and his models"
So, repetitive posts abound on both forums....And not many RGP posts (where I cut my teeth for 10 years) interest me anymore.

Exactly! That is why different forums exist! There is always something of interest between here, RGp and the Bash. Something for everyone!

gambit3113 said:

Then why bother posting here? Jesus, there is an unsavory delegation in this hobby.

Every hobby has it's share of over entitled cranky old jerks. I proudly took my 69 charger to a car show and was promptly flamed by a crowd of old bastards for painting it plum crazy purple, a '70 color, not a "proper" '69 color. It was not very welcoming.

Overall, pinball has been the friendliest hobby by far. Most people are just happy to help you if you're restoring a game or something. Threads like this are the uneccessary exception.

I use both sites. This one is more like the Facebook of pinball. I look at it daily for idle conversation. Rgp is more for when I need to diversify my tech help pool.

Stavs said:

robertmee said:Dr_Gonzo said:Not many pinside threads interest me. Same noob questions week after week. Same lame polls along with price checks and what kind of wax should I use. Yawn.
You must be kidding? You enjoy the daily Frank Further troll fests? And let's see, here's the top current threads on RGP:
"Anyone use Novus 1"
"Naptha"
"Tron Pro or BDK"
"PLayfield artwork for WOZ"
"What song is stuck in your head"
"awesome TOM playfield MOD - yet another tiring thread on Gameroom guy and his models"
So, repetitive posts abound on both forums....And not many RGP posts (where I cut my teeth for 10 years) interest me anymore.
Exactly! That is why different forums exist! There is always something of interest between here, RGp and the Bash. Something for everyone!

Hey, Stavs...good to see ya. I have to get back to the bash one of these days

robertmee said:

Stavs said:robertmee said:Dr_Gonzo said:Not many pinside threads interest me. Same noob questions week after week. Same lame polls along with price checks and what kind of wax should I use. Yawn.
You must be kidding? You enjoy the daily Frank Further troll fests? And let's see, here's the top current threads on RGP:
"Anyone use Novus 1"
"Naptha"
"Tron Pro or BDK"
"PLayfield artwork for WOZ"
"What song is stuck in your head"
"awesome TOM playfield MOD - yet another tiring thread on Gameroom guy and his models"
So, repetitive posts abound on both forums....And not many RGP posts (where I cut my teeth for 10 years) interest me anymore.
Exactly! That is why different forums exist! There is always something of interest between here, RGp and the Bash. Something for everyone!
Hey, Stavs...good to see ya. I have to get back to the bash one of these days

Always a spot for ya!

gambit3113 said:

It's just the RGP attitude.

RGP attitude? The reason I posted in this thread is because although I haven't been here long, I've already seen several jabs thrown at RGP. Not outright bashing (thanks to moderation), but negative stuff about RGP all the same. Ironically, over on unmoderated RGP, there has been very little bashing of Pinside. So who has the attitude?

That's a non sequitur. One has nothing to do with the other. Can't follow the logic, so can't answer the question.

gambit3113 said:

It's actually a detestable hive of pompous shitheads, and always has been.

gambit3113 said:

Coming to the Pinside forums and telling us how infantile and irresponsible we are with pricing is nothing but RGP sour grapes.

Why is okay for you and others to talk shit about RGP here and not okay for others to talk shit about Pinside here to your face? Seems like the Pinsiders are the ones with the attitude problem.

The pinside vs. RGP thing has been an ongoing thing here. It is a pointless comparison because the there are a lot of crossover members.

Stavs said:

I am anything but a curmudgeon.

I wouldn't worry about the curmudgeon tag, I too got this criticism recently. My post are more reactionary now as so much stuff is just a rehash, here, RGP, and the bash.

dmacy said:

I don't usually spend much time on pinball forums, but when I do I do Pinside.

Well played sir!

Dr_Gonzo said:

Not many pinside threads interest me. Same noob questions week after week. Same lame polls along with price checks and what kind of wax should I use. Yawn.

Everyone is new to the hobby at one point or another. There is no harm in helping those new to the hobby out. It only encourages more people to have the confidence to buy and maintain pins. That is actually what I really appreciate about Pinside. To each their own I guess.

The_Dude_Abides said:

Everyone is new to the hobby at one point or another. There is no harm in helping those new to the hobby out. It only encourages more people to have the confidence to buy and maintain pins. That is actually what I really appreciate about Pinside.

Me TOO!!

I feel like Pinside is helping to build the pinball community more than any other site!

Pinside is The " 1 & Only " If you Need it , " It's Here " ,, Wanna Sell it , This is the Place !!!

Its more rounded I'd say. There's so much help on all the forums, but less bitching here.

though I've been to this site before, I've only just joined. So far, seems like a lot less bad karma and shenanigans over here. Probably more tech stuff over there (RGP). All in all, Pinside seems like a 'happier' place with less insulting and people getting in each other's grill for the most trivial stuff. But I still check RGP all the time too.

And the The Dude Abides gets my vote for best handle/avatar..... live and let live, man.

I'm gonna have spaghetti for dinner today.

i have lurked on rgp from time to time. i post on klov from time to time. for pinball i vote pinside as the #1 place on the web. great people,very little childish b.s. and just a fun place to hang.

phishrace said:

Why is okay for you and others to talk shit about RGP here and not okay for others to talk shit about Pinside here to your face? Seems like the Pinsiders are the ones with the attitude problem.

The attitude problems you are comparing are apples and oranges. I don't like the overall attitude and uppity meaness of RGP. Never have. You don't like that I don't like RGP and express it. Fine. But I still help when I can, and realize that new people to our hobby are a tremendous benefit and should be helped when they have a question. I also have no problem with a free market and general economic principles driving everything from cat food prices to pinball machines. That is just the kind of silly helpfulness and logical thinking that gets you dog piled at RGP.

Meh, each site has the good and bad, but with different methods of regulation.

RGP is self-regulating; schoolyard mentality ... don't like a topic, don't read it. Don't like some troll; ignore them. There are bullies, but far more nice guys in the bunch if you open your eyes. And they've been in the playground far longer. They may be quiet at times, but when you're in need don't be surprised when they reach out to you.

Pinside has a mentality more along the lines of dolphin-safe tuna fish eating, tree-hugging, and perhaps with a dash of sexy teacher, brandishing a long stick and poised to whack it across your knuckles if you misbehave. Then she'll post a score on how hard she hit you.

I appreciate both crowds, and both forms of regulation.

Compare if you want, but don't call one superior.

gambit3113 said:

phishrace said:Why is okay for you and others to talk shit about RGP here and not okay for others to talk shit about Pinside here to your face? Seems like the Pinsiders are the ones with the attitude problem.

The attitude problems you are comparing are apples and oranges. I don't like the overall attitude and uppity meaness of RGP. Never have. You don't like that I don't like RGP and express it. Fine. But I still help when I can, and realize that new people to our hobby are a tremendous benefit and should be helped when they have a question. I also have no problem with a free market and general economic principles driving everything from cat food prices to pinball machines. That is just the kind of silly helpfulness and logical thinking that gets you dog piled at RGP.

If you don't like RGP why do you go there?