For those of you who have installed Mantis WH2O ramp protectors ...

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    2 years, 2 months ago
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    The ends of the ramps were busted up on my WH2O, so I decided to install some Mantis protectors to hide the damage. After installing them, the targets only register some of the time. A slow hit will usually register, but a really fast hit often doesn't. The fit between the protector and the target is so tight that it doesn't allow the target to bend back far enough. Has anyone else experienced this problem after installing the Mantis protectors? If so, how did you address the issue? I was thinking about swapping out the deep green targets with some regular thin targets. Would this help?


    2 years, 2 months ago
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    Hey Gweem

    I noticed the same thing as you, except I found that glancing hits register the best. A hard fast direct shot sometimes does not register.

    So, I aim for the middle shot and glancing shots to those targets. Plus I found direct shots to those targets lead to SDTM anyway.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    I ended up removing my Mantis protectors. With those installed, the switches only register intermittently. The right side was a lot more difficult to install than the left.. Does anyone have any tips on installation?

    I'd rather leave them off if there's no good way to get them on without the machine playing poorly..


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    Iv got them and they work fine. Just took adjusting.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    If you are not too hung up on keeping things original you could always leave the Mantis ramp protectors installed swap out the 3D stand up target to a green oblong one like this:

    http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=326

    I have the Mantis ramp protectors installed and my machine came with a 3D target on the left and oblong one on the right. The right one most definitely registers better and easier then the left. I have ordered the 3D stand up but have not gotten around to swapping it but just a thought. I am sure you can adjust the gap on the 3D target switch so that it is more sensitive to register light or fast ball hits.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    My WH2O came with mantis protectors on the ramp, the targets registered every time. I did a PF swap and now have the intermittent issue where a light hit registers and a hard one does not. I pulled them off for now until I can have time to play around and see what i can do to make them work.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    I have some on order now so this is an interesting read. These protectors may be the most essential on the market. It's pretty uncommon for those ramps not to be busted up on a domestic WH20 and I'm never ever ever doing a ramp swap out on this game again. I'll be damned if I don't get them to work!


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    I tweaked the leaf gap on the two switches and mine seems fine now. Before adjustment, switch hits rarely registered in gameplay.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    I had to re-do the target screw holes on mine to work in the mantis protectors (they were kind of stripped anyway). I pushed the manitis protectors as far back as possible and the stand-up targets as far forward as possible. This gave some more play in the stand-up targets and fixed the issue. They don't register on every glancing blow but they register when you get a hit on them and on many glancing hits.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    My direct hits were having the most issues. I tried adjusting the leaf with little success.

    I thought I remember someone posting that they routed that hole?


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    As others have said, you want to move the protector back as far as possible and the target as far forward as possible. You may have to fill the old target holes. You may also have to adjust the leaf switch in the target. Also make sure the protector isn't sitting at an angle.

    If none of this is done, the protector is so thick it presses against the target and may close the contacts of the switch. Get a flashlight out and look at the contacts. This will tell you whats going on.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    Mine work fine after some tuning --/ there a must have though


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    I have some but have not installed them. I was doing some other work and mocked them real quick and it wasn't working easy so I put it off till later.

    Since there were no instructions I assume you are sopossed to install new screws in the bare wood?
    Thanks.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    Bryan_Kelly said:

    As others have said, you want to move the protector back as far as possible and the target as far forward as possible. You may have to fill the old target holes. You may also have to adjust the leaf switch in the target. Also make sure the protector isn't sitting at an angle.
    If none of this is done, the protector is so thick it presses against the target and may close the contacts of the switch. Get a flashlight out and look at the contacts. This will tell you whats going on.

    +1 on making sure the protector isn't sitting at an angle. This was a something I really had to watch out for on the right protector. The other thing I found was that you can get away with a little bending of the Mantis protectors to make sure they're not infringing on the target space.

    When I did mine I took out the target screws and removed both targets, then did a dry run where I fit everything in without the screws. It became apparent that I needed to fill the old target holes and drilled new pilot holes to push the targets forward a little. You really need to be carefull when placing everything and making sure your pilot holes are good because there's not a lot of space to work with. If you take your time an plan it out then everything should fit and work.

    The other thing I'll point out is that if you have the cliffy on Disaster Drop that might cause a fitting issue. I never bought that Cliffy but I did notice that it wraps around the end of the ramp and I thought that might take up too much real estate in that area. The way the Mantis fits in there, I'm not sure the Cliffy does much to add extra protection anyway.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    Jam_Burglar said:

    The other thing I'll point out is that if you have the cliffy on Disaster Drop that might cause a fitting issue.

    That's what I have on the right, so I think that does cause a bit of conflict. I may remove it, since the mantis would do plenty to avoid any damage to that ramp. It's not exactly easy to get to, so I think it will stay in place until the next shop.

    Otherwise, I had been doing everything regarding put the screws in new wood. I probably could have spent more patience adjusting the switches.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    Deaconblooze said:

    That's what I have on the right, so I think that does cause a bit of conflict. I may remove it, since the mantis would do plenty to avoid any damage to that ramp. It's not exactly easy to get to, so I think it will stay in place until the next shop.
    Otherwise, I had been doing everything regarding put the screws in new wood. I probably could have spent more patience adjusting the switches.

    Yep, that area seems like the worst to get to because the whirlpool ramp that goes over it is attched to the underside of the upper playfield. I imagine you'd have to pull the whole upper playfield to remove that protector.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    Jam_Burglar said:

    imagine you'd have to pull the whole upper playfield to remove that protector.

    I pulled off the upper PF on mine this weekend and it wasn't the worst thing I've ever done, but I don't need to jump back into it right away. Might just sell these mantises, mantis', mantii or whatever.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    Pulling the upper isn't horribly difficult, but I just got done going over this game a few weeks ago. I don't feel like tearing it back down. I'll get some replacement decals for under the ramps, and maybe a new boulder set. After I get those, I'll take it down and have a better look at what needs to be done to get these installed.

    I like the way they look... I have green LED's behind those spots (to glow that area green), but I don't like looking at the bulbs...


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    I guess I got lucky....I put mine on and have had no issues.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    The other thing I'll point out is that if you have the cliffy on Disaster Drop that might cause a fitting issue. I never bought that Cliffy but I did notice that it wraps around the end of the ramp and I thought that might take up too much real estate in that area. The way the Mantis fits in there, I'm not sure the Cliffy does much to add extra protection anyway.

    Pretty bold to "point out" an issue with my ramp protector in one sentence and immediately admit you've never even bought my protector in the next. Wow. As for your last sentence all I have to say is look at the pics and then tell me it doesn't add anything.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    Yeah I was actually thinking that myself Cliffy but hadn't installed so didn't want to comment. I know that on the Mantis or your site it's pointed out they have been tested together.

    Mantis alone isn't going to protect the ball wacking the left side of the drop


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    Cliffy said:

    Pretty bold to "point out" an issue with my ramp protector in one sentence and immediately admit you've never even bought my protector in the next. Wow. As for your last sentence all I have to say is look at the pics and then tell me it doesn't add anything.

    I appologize. That's bad form on my part to comment when I don't have the protector. I was trying to be helpful and overgeneralized. I pointed out that I didn't have the Cliffy specifically so that people would know I speculating and not speaking from experience. I should not have even speculated.

    I did go back and re-examine the area on mine and I HAD to configure that area differently than the way you have it. The first thing I noticed is that the Manitis protectors I have appear to be a little different than what you have pictured there. I actually tried to insall the Mantis the way you have it there but (1) it pushed the Mantis much further into the No Way Out entrance (2) in that position the Mantis wouldn't sit flush with the mounting hole, and (3) most importantly, I had to postition the Mantis so that the lip on the right wrapped around the OUTSIDE of the Disaster Drop protector, otherwise the lip is too long, runs into the ramp plastic, and the pushes the Mantis way out into the middle of the mouting hole, crowding that area even more.

    All this being said, looking at that area I think I could probably fit a Cliffy in there, it would just need to be configured so that the right lip on the Mantis went to the outside of the Cliffy. When configured like this the wrap around at the front of the Cliffy would sit behind the Mantis, but I 100% agree that the Cliffy adds more protection to the upper part of the Disaster Drop ramp.

    Anyway, I never should have commented without actually trying to install both. Again, that's really poor form on my part.


    1 year, 2 months ago
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    No sweat, Jam. Thanks for following up and indeed actually testing your theories has MUCH more value than conjecture. It's a LOT more helpful, thanks



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