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ebay 36 pin lot sale?!

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11 years ago


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    #1 11 years ago

    If this was a double post just delete me.. but this seems insane..

    ebay.com link: LOT 24 36 USED PINBALLS 20 FULL CONTAINER

    #2 11 years ago

    sounds way to good to be true

    #3 11 years ago

    That does seem insane, any Italians here on pinside know anything about this?

    #4 11 years ago

    That's cheap. Shipping must be 10k+

    #5 11 years ago

    There used to be a couple big re importers from Spain a few years back. They just go around and aggregate all of the games and then arrange the shipping back to the states. I was in on a 40 pin container deal in 2000, for the most part it worked out very well. There were a few games that went right in the dumpster but we came out well ahead.

    #6 11 years ago

    If you can get a container full of top 10 A list machines.

    B and C titles not so much

    I doubt if this deal is on the up and up bet they have a limit on the # of top titles you get with the auction price.

    #7 11 years ago

    Seems like a big risk.

    #8 11 years ago

    Love to see how they fit 24 machines in a 40 inch box. j/k....

    #9 11 years ago

    Where is Bryan Kelly? This seems right up his alley.

    #10 11 years ago
    Quoted from jk2171:

    Love to see how they fit 24 machines in a 40 inch box. j/k....

    I thought that was funny as well ...

    #11 11 years ago
    Quoted from jk2171:

    Love to see how they fit 24 machines in a 40 inch box. j/k....

    I was wondering the same thing.

    #12 11 years ago

    It says shipping to US is 2100 Euro...however much that is. Seems way to good to be true. Anyway willing to take a chance for 40k??

    #13 11 years ago

    I sent him a email asking for more details such as how they are picked etc... Very interested in this.

    #14 11 years ago

    The one photo shows 7 TOTANs but there on none mentioned in the list?? What's up with that?

    #15 11 years ago

    You (buyer) picks.. It's been email tennis (back & forth) over the last few months with this seller.

    He's on PinballOwners.com

    He's sold many tables & most of been sent overseas.

    #16 11 years ago
    Quoted from bigdaddy07:

    The one photo shows 7 TOTANs but there on none mentioned in the list?? What's up with that?

    Just stock photos, I'm guessing.

    #17 11 years ago

    I notice alot of machines in the pictures that weren't listed as well. I wish I had 40k and the space. Anyone want to get together on this I would be interested.

    #18 11 years ago

    We'll hopefully someone in the US brings them over. We could sure use some more pins to meet the growing demand!

    #19 11 years ago

    2100 euro is $2655.03

    #20 11 years ago

    this has been post on another forum, does it work, some said they did recieved their machines, what they did was a groupe buy. (i'd be curious to see those machine)
    that list is not new and those pictures are not the machines you will get to choose from, it's to show warehouse.
    do i need to say if you do a groupe buy, you better be quick..

    #21 11 years ago

    I am from Australia and these containers are regularly imported from Italy and other parts of Europe.

    They are genuine but the restriction they apply is that you cannot fill the container up with all A list titles. You must take a selection of A,B,C and worse titles.

    Only 1/3 at most can be what collectors classify as A list titles, the other 2/3 MUST be a selection of the leftover stuff (including non working pins). So in a container that holds 24 pins - you get 8 A list titles at most - 2 IJ , 2 TAF, 2 TZ, 1 CC and 1 CV for example.

    #22 11 years ago

    i wonder how they determine if you get 24 or 36? I wonder if they limit how many of the expensive titles you get, also.

    #23 11 years ago

    I just heard back from him. This is what he sent me.

    hi Sir ,
    thanks for interest .
    we usually sale pinballs out of ebay .
    the auction is just for advertising
    but you can select your container down .
    please do not hesitate to ask me anythings on .
    please visit our web site : buy-italy com and exp-and com
    best regards
    andrea

    Warehouse MAY 2012 - price in euro for one piece-
    ALL PINBALLS IN WAREHOUSE

    ONLY FEW RULES :

    ONLY FULL CONTAINER , at least 24 pieces (BUT IN 20” CONTAINER WE CAN PUT IN UNTIL 36 PIECES )
    ONLY RIGHT PROPORTION , NOT MORE OF 25 % OF "A GRADE" ( +1200 euro ) PINBALL , IN THE TOTAL .
    NO POSSIBLE ONLY BALLY-WILLIAMS-STERN SELECTION .
    AT LEAST 25% OF GOTTLIEB-DATA EAST PINBALLS

    bally-williams

    2 CACTUS CANYON , 6000 and 5500

    1 CIRQUS VOLTAIRE , neon orange working but few power , playfield never seen ! perfect, cabinet decals ok , of the headbox need to change 2100

    1 BANZAI RUN 2000

    4 TWILIGHT ZONE 1700

    2 ADDAMS FAMILY 1700

    2 SCARED STIFF 2000

    4 TEATRE MAGIC 1700 , one with little wear 1600

    2 INDIANA JONES 1700

    4 CREATURE FROM B.L. 1200

    1 STAR TREK T.N.G. 1300

    1 JUNK YARD , with little wear , 1100

    1 THE SHADOW 900

    2 WHITE WATER 1000

    2 PARTY ZONE 800

    1 DR WHO 900

    1 DR.WHO not working lift , 700

    1 BLACK ROSE 900

    1 JUDGE DREDD 900

    3 JACKBOT 900

    8 REVENGE FROM MARS 1000

    2 STAR WARS EPISODE I TV , 1100

    2 POPEYE 900

    4 ROAD SHOW one perfect 1100, two with wear 900

    2 NBA FAST BREAK 800

    1 HIGH SPEED 800

    2 NO FEAR 900

    1 DEMOLITION MAN 800

    1 PARTY ZONE , little wear 700

    3 FLINTSTONES 900

    4 WORLD CUP 94 800

    1 CORVETTE 1000

    1 CORVETTE , very little wear 800

    1 BUG’S BUNNY HAPPY BIRTHDAY , missing translite and transformator 800 rather than 1200

    1 DIRTY HARRY 900

    2 FISH TALES 900x2

    2 DRACULA 900

    1 GETAWAY 900

    3 GILLIGANS ISLAND 800

    1 DR DUDE 800

    1 BLACK NIGHT 2000 1200

    1 POLICE FORCE not working 400

    1 BIG GUNS not working 400

    1 PINBOT not working 600

    STERN

    3 ROLLER CASINO’ 1300

    5 ROLLER COASTER 1200

    1 SOPRANOS 2100

    1 WHEEL OF FORTUNE 2200

    3 BELIEVE IT OR NOT 1500

    2 WORLD POKER TOUR 1600

    6 PLAYBOY 1600, 1 with very invisible wear and little rust on rail ,1500

    4 AUSTIN POWER 1500

    2 SHOOTOUT 1000

    8 STRIKER XTREME 800 , TO ONE MISSING TRANSFORMATOR 500

    4 GRAN PRIX 1400

    1 ELVIS 2200

    SEGA

    3 SPACE JAM 800 , the others two 700 because light but not start the play , acid battery on board .

    1 XFILES 900

    3 FRANKENSTEIN 800 , the second NOT START , TO CHECK , BUT COMPLETE DISPLAY OK TESTED! , 700

    5 BAYWATCH 700 , 1 not start and with speaker panel of batman sega , 500

    1 the lost world j.p. 1000 perfect

    1 GOLDENEYE 900

    gottlieb

    1 SPRING BREAK missing 1 board , 400

    1 S.MARIO BROS 800

    1 CUE BALL WIZARD 800

    1 HOOPS 500

    1 TEED OFF 800

    2 STREET FIGHTER ii 600 , second no display, no speaker panel 400

    1 shaq attaq , rust and dampness on cabinet decals , 500

    1 rescue 911 , With wear 500

    1 GOLD WINGS 600

    DATA EAST

    2 jurassik park , 800 , second missing display complete of board 600

    1 LASER WAR 600

    2 LETHAL WEAPON 3 800

    1 TALES FROM THE CRYPT 800

    1 PLAYBOY 35°ANNIVERSARY 1000

    1 WWF 800

    1 hook 600 little defect one integrate complete working

    1 HOOK 700

    1 CHECK POINT 700

    1 ROCKY AND BULL… 600, NOT START BUT COMPLETE , TO CHECK

    1 GUN’S ROSES 1600 , LITTLE WEAR ON CENTRE OF PLAYFIELD .

    1 last act. hero , missing speaker panel , display and board on display . 400

    1 LAST ACTION HERO 800

    L.W.3 800

    1 STAR WARS D.E. 1000

    1 CHECK POINT 700

    CAPCOM

    1 PINBALL MAGIC 1500

    ALVIN

    1 AL’S GARAGE BAND GOES ON A WORLD TOUR , VERY RARE ,ONLY 1000 PRODUCT , 1500 EURO

    ZACCARIA

    1 SOCCER KING 500

    1 SHOOTING THE RAPID 500

    1 ZANKOR 500

    1 robot 500

    1 MAGIC CASTLE not working 400

    1 DEVIL RIDERS not working 400

    #24 11 years ago

    NO POSSIBLE ONLY BALLY-WILLIAMS-STERN SELECTION .
    AT LEAST 25% OF GOTTLIEB-DATA EAST PINBALLS

    Haha

    #25 11 years ago

    I am in for a midwest group buy

    I am guessing it would be pretty costly to get the container from costal port to the midwest???

    #27 11 years ago

    This does look interesting though.

    #29 11 years ago

    I am in on a FT and/or X-files and/or WWF if there is a Dakota/Minnesota group

    #30 11 years ago

    if it's really legit, the prices are right, someone's going to get a RBION for 1500 plus shipping. I only know a few sucka's with the bread to buy it all..

    I assume all the games would have to change voltage from euro to US as well.

    That US auction is Todd Tuckey of TNT amusements, you may want to ensure that the game wasn't thrown off a roof before getting it.

    #31 11 years ago
    Quoted from Blakesell:

    That US auction is Todd Tuckey of TNT amusements, you may want to ensure that the game wasn't thrown off a roof before getting it.

    #32 11 years ago

    I emailed him too - There are a lot of stipulations. The killer is that you can only have 25% of games over $1200 euros and 25% have to be Data East/gottlieb. So if you picked GnR then even though it is a Data East then you get hit as it being in the 25% over $1200 euros.

    Also you have to remember those prices are in euros so that GnR is still going to cost you over $2K to get here.

    A group buy would be cool but probably everyone would want the 25% good games and it would be hard to get people in on the other 75% although I see a good number of games under the $1200 price point.

    For a group buy - Shipping could be divided by a weighted average of the cost of the game you bought to the total price of all the games.

    I would be in for a West Coast buy....

    #33 11 years ago

    Despite that whole throwing stuff off the roof thing, Todd is a good guy, IMO. I bought some 7 digit displays off him from a bowler to replace an outgassed one on my Space Shuttle on the cheap, they worked great, and he was easy to deal with. He's tried to give away empty cabinets many times on KLOV for people to go and pick up, but most of the time nobody shows.

    *edit* Other people may want the A-listers, but I'd kill for a Jack-bot... problem is at 900 euro by the time it's here, I pay for my part of the shipping here, then shipping to my place, it's like 2000$...I could just buy one HERE.

    #34 11 years ago

    One has to also consider, if someone goes in on a group buy going to have to find a trustworthy pinhead to take delivery on the container at a port, unload games into a temporary storage and be willing to ship out games via NAVL or other method to their respective buyers, there are a lot of things to work out.

    24 Pins on Container, roughly 2,600.00 to ship it over here, thats $ 108.00 for additional shipping costs per pin plus probably another 400.00 each to ship via NAVL to people who are not able to arrange other pickup arrangements so add $500.00 each for the pricing above if thats the case. Take all that into consideration and a 800 or 900.00 pin does not look like such a good deal anymore.

    #35 11 years ago

    What needs to be taken into consideration is that the pins are going to be rusted out pieces of crap. It's been a while since I've heard of a successful container deal here in the US.

    Quoted from pin-tastic:

    Take all that into consideration and a 800 or 900.00 pin does not look like such a good deal anymore.

    #36 11 years ago
    Quoted from pin-tastic:

    24 Pins on Container, roughly 2,600.00 to ship it over here, thats $ 108.00 for additional shipping costs per pin plus probably another 400.00 each to ship via NAVL to people who are not able to arrange other pickup arrangements so add $500.00 each for the pricing above if thats the case. Take all that into consideration and a 800 or 900.00 pin does not look like such a good deal anymore.

    I agree it can get expensive but if you can find a group around 12 to 15 guys/girls to split 24 pins from the same geographic area it is feasible. Plus from NAVL it cost basically the same to ship 2 pins as 1. Also I think the weighted average approach for shipping works best so if your game costs more you pay for a higher percentage of shipping. My garage would hold 24 games no problem during the initial time it would take to ship them to people's home or for them to pick them up.

    #37 11 years ago
    Quoted from jalpert:

    What needs to be taken into consideration is that the pins are going to be rusted out pieces of crap. It's been a while since I've heard of a successful container deal here in the US.

    I guess that would be the biggest issue and biggest problem. it would be bad for some to get games that look good and others to get the piece of rust.... How would you split 2 games of the same title where one was a rust bucket and the other one nice. I wouldn't be fair.....

    #38 11 years ago

    I would be willing to work in a Midwest deal and might be willing to take some of the second and third tier games. I do not have the expertise to spearhead the deal though. If anyone in the midwest/MN is working on this, feel free to PM me.

    #39 11 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    I am in for a midwest group buy
    I am guessing it would be pretty costly to get the container from costal port to the midwest???

    I'm in as well for a midwest/WI buy.

    Why do they have the prices listed? Is this what we have to work with to get up to $40K?

    #40 11 years ago

    I am in for the Midwest buy as well.

    #41 11 years ago

    I am working on a spreadsheet to break down the list into a more usable format. Googledocs isn't allowed at work (but Pinside is!)

    If anyone is interested in a copy of the spreadsheet, email me at tony (dot) middendorf at g m a i l (dot) c o m

    #42 11 years ago

    I'm not seeing it myself.

    Once you do the currency conversion, you are looking at a few $3+k TZ's and a bunch of $1300 LAH's, etc.

    You are probably going to have to pay someone to clear the container through customs. There's gotta be costs associated with that I'm sure. At that point, you've got a container sitting on the East Coast somewhere. Now what? And how much is that going to cost to bring to the midwest or west coast?

    I just think by the time you are done you are going to be close to market value on the good machines....and underwater on the less desireable machines (which will be most of the container). And taking all of that risk without having any idea of the true condition of the machines. And sending the $ and waiting several months for anything to arrive..... Maybe I'm just a cynic. If you guys try it, good luck.

    #43 11 years ago

    Not a bad deal when you think about it. Here is how to do it:

    5 Guys, $8K each plus shipping. They get together and pick 30-40 games together.

    When the games come, they get together and inspect them.

    Finally, they draw cards to see who goes first and have a Fantasy Football style draft to pick their games in a serpentine order. First guy gets #1, #10, #11, etc... 5th guy is getting #5, #6, etc...

    Really would be a lot of fun. I would seriously consider it. $8K plus shipping for 6-8 of those games may be worth the risk.

    Jim

    #44 11 years ago

    $1400 for a flight from Chicago to Venice. for me to be able to even be interested in this deal i would have to fly over there and check the machines out. i would hate to order 132 machines (that is what the total is) and get them here just to find out that they are water damaged, rusted, faded, etc.

    it looks like a fun deal though.

    does anyone really care anymore if there machine was an import or not? all that it would take would be a converter (possibly some roms for language)

    #45 11 years ago

    If someone were flying over there, I'd have a videoed conversation with the owner, as much as I could using broken Italian to speak with him, going over the specifics and covering the old arse.

    Can't be too careful with high dollar international transactions.

    #46 11 years ago
    Quoted from Blakesell:

    That US auction is Todd Tuckey of TNT amusements

    For pins - I don't think it's a good "Lot Deal".
    There are 21 shopped pins with the average pin valued about $1200 = ~ $61k
    There are 51 unshopped pins "YOU will have to clean and shop them out...replace broken parts and repair boards" average working value of $800, average non working value $600? Estimating $700 each ~ $35k

    Asking Price 200k for about 96k of pins.

    #47 11 years ago

    I'd be down for a west coast buy, as well, but I'd only be interested in TZ and TAF, and I didn't see a FH. The problem would be that those would be the ones everyone else would want and we wouldn't get that many of them because of their "restrictions". The deal from their end makes sense as the only way they could afford to make money on a deal selling to the US is if the container shipped it all. Last I checked, sending a single pin across the pond was in excess of $700.

    #48 11 years ago

    Here is what my draft could look like for 5 guys at $8K each:

    1st Round: CC, CC, CV, SS, SS
    2nd Round: WW, WW, TAF, TAF, CFTBL
    3rd Round: RFM, RFM, RFM, RFM, RFM
    4th Round: JP, JP, LW3, LW3, TFTC
    5th Round: BW X 5
    6th Round: FT, FT, DH, HS2, Hook
    (About $42K, but I guarantee you they would do it)

    Shipping would be $5-600 per guy to midwest.

    So, If you ended up with a Cactus Canyon, Whitewater, RFM, Jurassic Park, Baywatch and Hook for $8K plus shipping?

    Or, You ended up with a Scared Stiff, Addams Family, RFM, Tales/Crypt, Baywatch and Fish Tales for $8K plus shipping?

    Would you try it?

    #49 11 years ago
    Quoted from BackFlipper:

    Not a bad deal when you think about it. Here is how to do it:
    5 Guys, $8K each plus shipping. They get together and pick 30-40 games together.
    When the games come, they get together and inspect them.
    Finally, they draw cards to see who goes first and have a Fantasy Football style draft to pick their games in a serpentine order. First guy gets #1, #10, #11, etc... 5th guy is getting #5, #6, etc...
    Really would be a lot of fun. I would seriously consider it. $8K plus shipping for 6-8 of those games may be worth the risk.
    Jim

    Good call. Another option would be to have 9 people. Here's my reasoning:

    "Only 25% of 1200+ pins." 36 games times 25% equals 9 games
    also
    "At least 25% Gottlieb/Data East"

    You can draw straws to draft from the 'A' games. Once 9 'A' games are selected, remove all the games $1200+ from the list. Then draft forcing the participants to choose a Gottlieb/Data East game. Then, two more 'rounds' letting participants draft whatever machines are left.

    OR- instead of 9 people- lets say someone wanted to take 2, 3, 4, etc people's spots. They would just cover their addition % of the cost and have the additional draft slots.

    #50 11 years ago

    If I could lock down a couple more solid references (and someone to help me with the changes that need to be made to a reimport) I would strongly consider this.

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