Well let's suppose it takes 4 years to build start to finish, it doesn't seem as if John has a very high overhead like jjp the money should last. I do not think John is trying to scam us or is living fat off the deposit money. I think it just takes longer than people guessed, we are thinking of Stern or BW who seem to make a pin in one year ish but looking at new start up companies including jjp jpop it is clearly more of a 3-5 year job.