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Choggards Defective $2300 Blackout. PARTIAL REFUND PAID TO ME

By CaptainFantastic

10 years ago

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#1 10 years ago

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CaptainFantastic

Inactive member

New Hope, PA

10y 33,400 352 2 32

Ray came over my house and looked at my Blackout. Had to replace the Board as the CMOS 5101 IC was no good. Board tracers were damaged and the IC was never soldered in...It was just placed on the board. Photos of the Front/Back are here. Cost 350 for a new board plus Labor. The Backglass was damaged in transit because Choggie didn't make sure the lock was secure. The Lightbulbs scratched against the backglass leaving lots of Bare spots. Thanks HUGSC!!

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#2 10 years ago

GRV

GravitaR

Pinside member

Saginaw, MI

12y 129K 2,920 31 71

Hugsc for Ray for making the game playable.

#3 10 years ago

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CaptainFantastic

Inactive member

New Hope, PA

10y 33,400 352 2 32

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#4 10 years ago

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jalpert

Pinside member

Unknown

14y 70,050 7,517

I dunno man. That board looks like it might have been repairable for a lot less than $350, might have been worth a shot sending it to Boryguard or CoC. FYI, not defending anyone sounds like you got screwed.

#5 10 years ago

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CaptainFantastic

Inactive member

New Hope, PA

10y 33,400 352 2 32

Ray said nobody would repair that board and it would take hours to recreate the tracers and then still not know if it would work properly. Ray's rep here is impeccable which is why I contacted him first. Thanks for the input.

#6 10 years ago

JWJ

johnwartjr

That Pinball Place

Columbus, IN

12y 77,400 6,479 14

That board is repairable, but I don't blame any technician for not wanting to repair that on a service call.

From a glance, it needs sockets. A remote battery holder. 5101 socket repair - eyelets and some trace repair, etc.

Personally, I'd have repaired another OEM board, could probably buy one and have the sockets and interconnect done for $100-$150

A $2300 blackout shouldn't need a damn thing, though, and should be entirely plated in gold with $1500 of LEDs..

#7 10 years ago

DRC

GListOverflow

Inactive member

11y 32,900 906

Wow those pads look obliterated

#8 10 years ago

RJB

rockotaco1

Inactive member

Davison, MI

10y 28,900 738 4 8

I hope you didn't actually pay $2300 for it.

#9 10 years ago

JPD

Dayhuff

Pinside member

Battle Creek, MI

11y 126K 6,353 79 11

You could have bought a Rottendog CPU/Driver for alot less. That would have been the way to go.

John P. Dayhuff
Battle Creek, MI.
269-979-3836

#10 10 years ago

CDF

Collin

Pinside member

Columbus, OH

11y 116K 5,271 29 82

Sorry to hear you got screwed by Choggard. Thanks for outing that shitbag, and I hope this doesn't taint your view of the hobby.

#11 10 years ago

PCE

PorkChopExpress

Inactive member

Birmingham, AL

11y 74,900 1,664 4 11

IBTL Babay!

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#12 10 years ago

KAM

kvan99

Pinside member

12y 97,050 6,031 10

I think he should man up and give you a partial refund, 2300.00 for a blackout, even a fully functioning one to a pinsider is a bit obscene.

#13 10 years ago

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CaptainFantastic

Inactive member

New Hope, PA

10y 33,400 352 2 32

Quoted from Dayhuff:
You could have bought a Rottendog CPU/Driver for alot less. That would have been the way to go.
John P. Dayhuff
Battle Creek, MI.
269-979-3836

I did get a Rottendog Combo board instead of the $150 refurbished job. I wasn't about to go "cheap" after laying out 2300 to begin with.

#14 10 years ago

RUM

Rum-Z

Pinside member

Adrian, MI

13y 150K 3,973 29

Sorry to hear about the backglass getting all those wear spots on it, on top of the board issues. That completely sucks.

#15 10 years ago

DOG

pmWolf

Pinside Moderator

Union City, MI

13y 157K 4,526 59 112

Sorry to hear about that mess.

Hope the game is problem-free from here on out.

#16 10 years ago

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CaptainFantastic

Inactive member

New Hope, PA

10y 33,400 352 2 32

Quoted from kvan99:
I think he should man up and give you a partial refund, 2300.00 for a blackout, even a fully functioning one to a pinsider is a bit obscene.

He already blamed the shipping company for the Backglass. Just one of those types that wont accept responsibility for anything. He has certainly not offered to refund me a dime. If he did I would certainly tell everybody on Pinside that at least he was being a man about it. Eventually I will replace the Backglass If I can ever find a better one and I will have $3000+ into a Near Mint machine. For that kind of money he could have at least Autographed it for me in whichever name he chooses to use on that particular day (Choggard/Hugsc)

#17 10 years ago

DTF

dantebean

Inactive member

11y 66,650 2,532 1 6

Sorry to hear about your first pin purchase gone this bad. Best of luck continuing your collection.

#18 10 years ago

TRN

fattrain

Pinside member

15y 118K 5,140

Man, he should at least take you out for a nice steak dinner before he.... well, you get the point

#19 10 years ago

Blackbeard

Pinside member

12y 106K 12,108 6 20

This whole transaction stinks.

For such a prime example of a pin that old, extra precautions should've been utilized to insure that thing gets to where it's going without issue.

As for the board, etc., if indeed it was listed as working 100%, shame on the seller. At that price the thing should be golden.

#20 10 years ago

MAR

mrobertso2

Pinside member

Wenatchee, WA

12y 39,150 306 3

Quoted from fattrain:
Man, he should at least take you out for a nice steak dinner before he.... well, you get the point

Oh, he already got the "point" no dinner needed.

#21 10 years ago

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Solder_Splash

Pinside member

Sagamore Hills, OH

12y 42,150 995 5

Quoted from mrobertso2:
Oh, he already got the "point" no dinner needed.

At this point it would be more like a complimentary reach-around.

#22 10 years ago

ROK

Rock914

Rock Custom Pinball

Wayland, MI

11y 90,900 2,148 7

Wow that is terrible. I hope he compensates you. What a shame for such a nice blackout.

#23 10 years ago

ANV

captainadam_21

Inactive member

Sioux Falls, SD

12y 74,150 3,104 46

OP
Quoted from CaptainFantastic:
Autographed it for me in whichever name he chooses to use on that particular day (Choggard/Hugsc)

Any autographed backglass by Hugsc would double its value

#24 10 years ago

TAK

ThatsaKicker

Inactive member

Old Colwyn

10y 41,650 354 1

Not really been following the details about this guy but I feel bad for you.
Give it a few months and hopefully it'll all be a distant memory as you play 'just one more time' before bed

#25 10 years ago

DTF

dantebean

Inactive member

11y 66,650 2,532 1 6

I sense something. I think we have an incoming retort from our good friend. Wait for it.......

#26 10 years ago

CDF

Collin

Pinside member

Columbus, OH

11y 116K 5,271 29 82

Quoted from dantebean:
I sense something. I think we have an incoming retort from our good friend. Wait for it.......

You think so? I was guessing he would avoid this thread like the plague. I doubt he's got any excuse people here will believe, and I bet he knows that.

#27 10 years ago

CDL

crlush

Pinside member

Ray Twp., MI

11y 86,300 2,760 8

Quoted from Collin:
You think so? I was guessing he would avoid this thread like the plague. I doubt he's got any excuse people here will believe, and I bet he knows that.

I wouldn't be so shure, I'm shure he has some sort of excuse, it worked great when he played it.

#28 10 years ago

S0D

Sly_Old_Devil

Pinside member

10y 69,800 1,132

Quoted from Collin:
You think so? I was guessing he would avoid this thread like the plague. I doubt he's got any excuse people here will believe, and I bet he knows that.

His retort will depend on who he is logged in as!

#29 10 years ago

DOG

pmWolf

Pinside Moderator

Union City, MI

13y 157K 4,526 59 112

I don't know, this doesn't seem like the type of thread that he would give a night bump....then a morning bump...then a title change.

#30 10 years ago

SPB

sb80

Inactive member

Decatur, IL

14y 32,400 597 2 9

Something tells me this Choggard fellow is less than reliable, call it a hunch.......Sorry for your luck op, Ive had a couple learning experiences of my own. Though I cant complain about any pinheads yet.

#31 10 years ago

JWJ

johnwartjr

That Pinball Place

Columbus, IN

12y 77,400 6,479 14

Can't say that i agree with your logic that going with a rebuilt original board is going 'cheap'. You've already spent 2.5-3x what a blackout is worth on the game. Maybe some chrome and LEDs can get you in the 4k range!

#32 10 years ago

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CaptainFantastic

Inactive member

New Hope, PA

10y 33,400 352 2 32

Well in Hindsight I would much rather have spent the $$ on a Private Airplane and dropped the 250 LB Paperweight on the B*ST*RD's House...or something along those lines. A literal "Blackout" for Choggie...I can hear the ovation.

#33 10 years ago

DSD

Winball_Pizard

Inactive member

Austin, TX

12y 75,400 1,104 12 54

$2300 for Blackout?!?!

#34 10 years ago

DTF

dantebean

Inactive member

11y 66,650 2,532 1 6

Quoted from Winball_Pizard:
$2300 for Blackout?!?!

It's the guys first pin. I can understand the excitement of your first pin.

#35 10 years ago

S0D

Sly_Old_Devil

Pinside member

10y 69,800 1,132

Quoted from Winball_Pizard:
$2300 for Blackout?!?!

Also the seller made it look and sound like a huo/nib pin iirc so.......

#36 10 years ago

DAR

houseofpin

Pinside member

New Market, MD

11y 32,550 1,036 9

Almost as exciting as your first kiss....LOL....well not quite that exciting. You should go pay this guy a visit for what he did to you (or have "uncle vito" make a house call....lol) . I always pick up my pins locally and the few times I sell a pin I only do it locally (that way someone can really check it out as I am not a "pinball expert" so I prefer they look it over rather then have me describe it).

Sorry about your bad experience. I have dealt with a bunch of pinsiders and truly every experience has been a positive one and have made a lot of new friends throughout the year while accumulating some great pins !!! Don't let this guy discourage you as you will have more positive experiences then negative ones if you deal with pinsiders.....however, it is still best to check it out yourself as condition is truly subjective and one persons "mint" will be another persons "above average"......

#37 10 years ago

USA

jayhawkai

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13y 102K 5,447

Quoted from houseofpin:
Almost as exciting as your first kiss....LOL....well not quite that exciting.

As exciting as losing your virginity to someone with an STD.

#38 10 years ago

CFL

centerflank

Inactive member

Unknown

11y 165K 13,962 7 206

Quoted from jayhawkai:
As exciting as losing your virginity to someone with an STD.

Not that there is anything wrong with that...

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#39 10 years ago

S0D

Sly_Old_Devil

Pinside member

10y 69,800 1,132

Quoted from jayhawkai:
As exciting as losing your virginity to someone with an STD.

You mean a PRO?

#40 10 years ago

USA

jayhawkai

Pinside member

13y 102K 5,447

Quoted from centerflank:
Not that there is anything wrong with that...

I always wear a condom when driving a tractor.

#41 10 years ago

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CaptainFantastic

Inactive member

New Hope, PA

10y 33,400 352 2 32

Quoted from Winball_Pizard:
$2300 for Blackout?!?!

The pin was suppose to be HUO. I would buy a trailer full of Late 70's/Early 80's Bally/Williams pins at 2300 each if they all looked like the day they were made. The playfield and Cab on this look brand spanking new..Its the repainted Head, Scratched Backglass and damaged board that ruined this puppy. If I received it in the condition that was Stated I have no probs with the price. Id rather have TWO 30+ Year old pieces of Art in HUO condition than a Brand New Stern Pro but that's just me.

My first pin I bought from Lloyds Jukeboxes in Maryland back around 1986/87. It was a Near Mint KISS machine for $400. He had MANY Kiss machines available...pick whichever one you wanted if you drove down. Played it for 12 years and it never had 1 problem.

#42 10 years ago

ROB

RCA1

Pinside+ Addict

St Joseph, MI

11y 128K 8,681 28 11

Uggghhhhhh..............
I feel terrible for the OP here. At least you have it working again.
I guess I was just lucky that I could inspect and pick up in person when dealing with the seller here.

#43 10 years ago

Blackbeard

Pinside member

12y 106K 12,108 6 20

Seller should repay the cost of any board repairs or the cost of a new rottendog if repairs aren't feasible. Period.

#44 10 years ago

CNH

ChadH

Pinside member

12y 92,400 2,859

Is there a link to the original "for sale" ad for this one? I am curious to see how it was described.

#45 10 years ago

TAM

tamoore

Pinside member

Grayling, MI

11y 123K 6,661 37 58

Quoted from ChadH:
Is there a link to the original "for sale" ad for this one? I am curious to see how it was described.

There probably is, but seller went and edited the titles and contents of the threads in an attempt to conceal the behavior...

#46 10 years ago

CDF

Collin

Pinside member

Columbus, OH

11y 116K 5,271 29 82

Quoted from Blackbeard:
Seller should repay the cost of any board repairs or the cost of a new rottendog if repairs aren't feasible. Period.

I wouldn't agree with this as a generality, but in this particular situation (chips not soldered in properly, general Choggardry) I think he should.

#47 10 years ago

MBC

marcos

Inactive member

Champaign, IL

11y 42,450 543 41

Quoted from ChadH:
Is there a link to the original "for sale" ad for this one? I am curious to see how it was described.

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fs-blackout-2500-huo-for-30-years-michigan

#48 10 years ago

DRC

GListOverflow

Inactive member

11y 32,900 906

In the sale pics the board has the original battery holder and a soldered in 5101, so I guess he tried to work on it before shipping? Weird.

#49 10 years ago

DLD

Dewey68

Pinside member

Plainfield, IL

12y 66,800 2,503 4 15

Those original pics do show paint missing on the backglass.

#50 10 years ago

CNH

ChadH

Pinside member

12y 92,400 2,859

Can we see pics of the current state of the backglass?

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