SHAZAAAAAM! Overpriced forum members!

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    1 year, 10 months ago
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    I saw a NIB LOTR sell on ebay a few months ago for $5k SHIPPED!!!

    A few weeks ago a HUO LOTR sold for $4k flat: ebay.com link » Lord of the Rings 2004 Pinball Machine By Stern

    On RGP a HUO SM sold 2 weeks ago for $5500!!!

    Those are great deals, that's what normal people pay, but here on pinside lately it's thousands more...

    Why are prople asking so much for LOTR, TSPP, SM & etc on pinside when the "general public" noobs pay thousands less even as the seller pays 8% in fees?

    Is it the forum buddy system hype? The baton twirling "good game, great price, blah blah" pat on the back strokefest replies to each FS thread?

    Check out this HUO TSPP for $3850 from a few months back: ebay.com link » Simpson Pinball Party Machine

    or this one two weeks back for $4k flat: ebay.com link » Simpsons Pinball Party Machine Private In Home Use Only

    Why do pinsiders want $3800+ for routed examples of TSPP or stupid prices on LOTR, SM, RBION or etc when its cheaper to go to a stranger on ebay?

    I am starting to think we are poisoning our own waters...

    Anyway I have a $3,500.00 JP for sale if anyone is interested


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    I won't even say how much my NIB IM cost on eBay.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Many people do not trust the Ebay sellers. Lots of scams....lots of poor quality photos to make your decision with. Incomplete information is common. And lots of dealers/resellers instead of "normal" pinball folks who know the hobby and more accurately describe what they are selling.

    Obviously that is not the case all the time. But those are some of the reasons that many of us would rather deal with sellers on this site that we have more faith and confidence in when it comes to accurately describing the condition and history of the games.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    I bought my JP from Treasure Cove via Ebay.

    My TFTC came from Rick @ 8ball amusements via Ebay.

    The WWF in my house was from Ebay too.

    Never ever had a problem with Ebay sellers. A person has to use their brain yes but its a great marketplace.

    Be sure to get good clear/bright/hi-res pics, a seller with positive feedback, use paypal for protection or just wait to pay cash at pickup (sellers like that) & avoid vauge descriptions from shady people offering lame pics.

    Its that simple. Where is the risk? If someone posts small dark pics of a machine & claims its QC then you know they are a tool. Real QC machines are photographed well because the seller is bragging & knows what they have !!!!

    Or over pay to one of your forum peers if you want to feel all warm & fuzzy I guess.

    Anyway, I have a $2,000.00 Baywatch for sale


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    I don't think 4K for a LOTR HUO in good condition is a bad price? I was given a $3200 buy offer for a routed LOTR (that needed some love and new plastics). I love the game...to me it's worth the 4K for good condition.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    2500 routed LOTR locally 14000 plays
    was offered 3800 for HUO with header scratches from move but guy backed out.
    If I could find a local LOTR HUO for 4K it is in my home.

    This pricing outside of ebay is also alot to do with were you live and how far you will travel.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    JDub1006 said:

    I don't think 4K for a LOTR HUO in good condition is a bad price? I was given a $3200 buy offer for a routed LOTR (that needed some love and new plastics). I love the game...to me it's worth the 4K for good condition.

    I agree, that was the point of my post, a $4k HUO LOTR is good.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Shoot_Again said:

    2500 routed LOTR locally 14000 plays
    was offered 3800 for HUO with header scratches from move but guy backed out.
    If I could find a local LOTR HUO for 4K it is in my home.

    This pricing outside of ebay is also alot to do with were you live and how far you will travel.

    I have that $2500 LOTR in my shop right now. Left flipper was dead, the guy replaced the transistor on the board and the coil, didnt fix it, and was stumped so that's why he sold it. The machine was horribly dirty but no playfield damage. The cabinet is in good shape, no lockdown bars, but there is a lot of wear where the artwork has been rubbed off from so many plays.

    I already fixed the flipper problem. (He didnt have connection to ground on the new transistor and probably lifted a trace installing it, which I jumpered. His coil was a direct short also, which may have blown the transistor in the first place. Replaced both, fixed soldering, works now).

    Anyways, it'll be nice and is going to a friend.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    markmon you should list it on Pinside for $5,000.00 like all of our other great peers


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Pinballwizard79 said:

    Anyway I have a $3,500.00 JP for sale if anyone is interested

    Now THAT is a stupid price.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Pinballwizard79 said:

    markmon you should list it on Pinside for $5,000.00 like all of our other great peers <img src="/bbpress/my-plugins/bb-smilies/pinside/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D">

    The game is not mine. It's a friend's and he got it to keep it We looked at it together and brought it here for work. It really was an amazing deal.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Pinballwizard79 said:

    Check out this HUO TSPP for $3850 from a few months back:

    I paid $3800 for my HUO TSPP. But not a bad find on eBay.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Pinballwizard79 said:

    Why do pinsiders want $3800+ for routed examples of TSPP or stupid prices on LOTR, SM, RBION or etc when its cheaper to go to a stranger on ebay?

    I think you just said it yourself. I would pay more for a pin from someone I know than from a stranger.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    swampfire said:

    Now THAT is a stupid price.

    No dude youre supposed to say "great game, great price, it's a keeper, nice flow, deep game, great seller"


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Erik said:

    I think you just said it yourself. I would pay more for a pin from someone I know than from a stranger.

    With friends like that who needs enemies?


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    The thing that bothers me, is when you try to deal with someone, and they want blood for their pins, a grand or better above Mr. Pinball prices, but quote Mr. Pinball prices for your machine, stating that is for a HUO pin, and yours isn't a HUO pin. I want to know what makes their machine so much better than mine.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Pinballwizard79 said:

    I agree, that was the point of my post, a $4k HUO LOTR is good.

    Sorry, I totally misunderstood. So yes, $3500 is an excellent price for JP.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    swampfire said:

    Sorry, I totally misunderstood. So yes, $3500 is an excellent price for JP.

    Right

    Now follow that up with a "atta boy, buy with confidence from PW79" & we can ruin pinball together

    ThePostmaster said:

    The thing that bothers me, is when you try to deal with someone, and they want blood for their pins, a grand or better above Mr. Pinball prices, but quote Mr. Pinball prices for your machine, stating that is for a HUO pin, and yours isn't a HUO pin. I want to know what makes their machine so much better than mine.

    Indeed. Or when people sell routed crap @ HUO prices.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    You hit the nail on the head. Lots of newbs on here and lots of sellers know it. Lots of hype as well.

    Somewhere along the line though, when people post stupid high prices in a DISCUSSION FORUM, it became a bad thing to discuss the price.

    IMO, if you don't want to hear opinions on your price, there is always craigslist and ebay.

    If you bought a game that was listed on pinside odds are very good you overpaid. The majority of prices I see on this site are just people gouging newbs, but if someone trys to call them out then they are a dick or the price police.

    You have to admit, they are good salesmen, people are paying out the ass for questionable quality games and begging for more.

    Pinballwizard79 said:

    Those are great deals, that's what normal people pay, but here on pinside lately it's thousands more...

    Why are prople asking so much for LOTR, TSPP, SM & etc on pinside when the "general public" noobs pay thousands less even as the seller pays 8% in fees?

    Is it the forum buddy system hype? The baton twirling "good game, great price, blah blah" pat on the back strokefest replies to each FS thread?


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    I think overall people still get ripped more on ebay. The buddy system might get higher prices, but it also leads to more assurance you're getting what you think you're getting, in terms of quality, etc.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    You are talking about the frikkin 5500 LOTR...CRAZY HIGH and we should all post in that thread and let people know. I paid 3k for mine in April...oh wait, I don't want to revisit that memory .

    So I propose this - we lift the moratorium on commenting when prices are too high. It is a discussion forum, we should discuss prices if you post them. 5500 is crazy and I feel really sorry for the pinhead that pays that much. Just want to reach out and shake anyone thinking about paying that much, do a search! Call your Mom! Post on Pinside and ask, "is this too high?". somethin...


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    rommy said:

    You are talking about the frikkin 5500 LOTR...CRAZY HIGH and we should all post in that thread and let people know. I paid 3k for mine in April...oh wait, I don't want to revisit that memory .
    So I propose this - we lift the moratorium on commenting when prices are too high. It is a discussion forum, we should discuss prices if you post them. 5500 is crazy and I feel really sorry for the pinhead that pays that much. Just want to reach out and shake anyone thinking about paying that much, do a search! Call your Mom! Post on Pinside and ask, "is this too high?". somethin...

    seriously Rommy, why hold back? why don't you tell us what you really mean? lol


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    There are 100 reasons not to buy a pin on Ebay. Ebay used to be the joke of the pinball community, I guess I missed the memo that made it a legit place to buy a pinball machine. Maybe someone can explain to me when the "buddy" system started to include overcharging? Once "buddy" prices are over Ebay prices, it's time to take a step back.

    docscott said:

    I think overall people still get ripped more on ebay. The buddy system might get higher prices, but it also leads to more assurance you're getting what you think you're getting, in terms of quality, etc.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    I'm particularly fond of the few times something is fairly priced (and within easy driving distance) and other forum members encourage the seller to raise their price! C'mon, man!


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    docscott said:

    I think overall people still get ripped more on ebay. The buddy system might get higher prices, but it also leads to more assurance you're getting what you think you're getting, in terms of quality, etc.

    Maybe back in the day but not any more dude. Just look @ the for sale threads & listings here, then look at completed eBay auctions.

    How in the world can eBay rip you off? There are pics, protection & real market prices. There are exceptions where people over & under pay or some idiot bids on a machine without asking for proper pics but let's look at the averages for intelligent people. FYI I always have the seller send ├╝ber huge pics to my personal email. Then if I feel sassy I offer a deal 4% less than their eBay price outside of auction so we both earn 4% more.

    No risk on ebay. If a seller can't show you clear, bright, high res pics of every area then DON'T buy.

    I trust a corporation with a buyer feedback system, a financial escrow company with a protection system, a real market pricing system & etc vs most of the shenanigans on here lately. Not a dig @ pinside, a dig @ certain pinsiders.

    Like I said before regarding the $1000-$2000 overpricing buddy system... With friends like that who needs enemies?


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    I hope it is the exception. I have purchased 5 machines from Pinsiders. 3 were from eabundy (whassup man!) so you know I got a smokin deal. RBION for 2200 and RG for 1250 from other guys. We should use a code, most will never read this thread, and those who do can be in on it. Some word or phrase to post in a thread indicating OMFG THAT IS STUPID HIGH LOOK ELSEWHERE . Like "Shazaam!" . Something innocuous. I'll cast one vote for "Shazaam!" unless y'all come up with something better.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    If ebay works for you then use it. To me it is rolling the dice. I do not want the hassle of disputing anything if the game does not meet expectations.

    I don't know about this buddy system you repeatedly reference. For me it works like this: I will not buy a used game I haven't seen in person or that hasn't been vouched for by someone whose opinion I trust. If that means I'm part of some clandestine buddy system then so be it.

    If you don't like Robert's price, send him an offer. This isn't complicated stuff!


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    shhhhhh.....shazaam.....i'm looking for a sttng..pm me

    let you know if it works


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    well, i took a look today's machines on e-pay.
    price are way to high and not going down soon.
    not even talking about all those parts for like twice the regular price and crazy shipping and handling fees...

    so if we can see good pics everything is fine? how about electronics? or things we can't see?

    yes we do see prices for some pins higher here like everywhere else but we also see a lot of good pins for a lot less too... i have to ask '' are you selling on e-pay?''

    as for the huo LOTR, i think the price is not that bad. paid more for mine.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Erik... Even on ebay you dont buy the game until pickup.

    Beatmaster... $4k LOTR HUO is proper $5,500 pinside price is not. Dont confuse "parked" games on ebay as todays permanent offerings. Look at completed auctions brother.

    For clarity: I am not against dealing with Pinsiders. Hook me up guys lol

    Shazaam lol


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    You're buying all your games on ebay then going and picking them up and paying in person? Those 3 pins you linked to in ebay are really far from you. Like more than a thousand miles each way. I think your dedication is the exception and most of us won't drive that far for a game. Have you ever got there after two days of driving and discovered the pin wasn't what you expected?


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    I admit that at times I can be naive (find the thread about the 600 dollar Big Guns bought on Ebay) and maybe at times too trusting but, with some caution, endorsements from other pinsiders goes a long way for me.

    NP and TDA in CA, bemmet in CO, pincrazed and pinheadpuckguy in MN, jitney in NE, a list longer than my arm in WI and the Chicago area, BR out east...all of these people I have asked for and received personal advise from regarding sales. There was even a time when I asked someone in Wisconsin to check a game out that was on location. He did. I bought.

    What I am getting at is "he is a great, trustworthy pinhead" actually means something coming from SOME people.

    For that matter, pinballwizard, I haven't heard much from you, so how do I know you aren't in cahoots with those that agree with you to try and get a better deal on a pin?? I am kidding but where does trust and distrust begin/end? How do I know that a group on people going on and on about something they agree about...isn't just one person with many id's? Think it can't happen? At this point...I KNOW it CAN. Though I am not saying it DOES happen....

    Another thing at issue is everyone's idea of condition. Shopped means something way different to many of us. I suppose it is like cleaning a room, brushing your teeth? Whatever. Your idea of clean isn't necessarily mine. I have purchased a recently shopped machine from another pinhead that I wouldn't play until I cleaned. I never said a word to him. It probably was shopped in his world.

    I have gone to local parties and wondered how in the hell someone could invite someone over to play when the games were in that condition. I imagine in his opinion, they were great. I have been to parties (thanks again, tatman) where the machines were so pristine, I wondered why someone would let me play them!

    The problem....? Which person is on the other end of the sale??? If it is a long distance purchase, I would like the other person and his machine verified by someone I trust.

    I do admit some of the prices here have been beyond ridiculous. I say this with wonder because I have ripped on price police for some time.

    However, and this is a point that I can't seem to explain, I don't get some peoples adherence to some price guides "average selling price". OK, yes I get it. Do YOU get this....?

    Average price = average machine.

    I say this because I received several PM's on a few sales that indicated their opinion was that my prices were several $100 above average. I indicate yes, and this machine IS several $100 above average in condition and value. BUT...how do YOU the buyer know that???? Well, you have to trust me. Sucks. I know. Why would you? I would only trust a handful (ok 2 handfuls) of people here on the exact condition of a machine being as described. It is hard to agree to a certain standard.

    I am picky. I sold a game to someone who is pickier than ME! I got shown things that I don't consider when I own games. It educated me. (thanks)

    I also appreciate trying to protect the "noobs" I was one (am one?) only recently.

    Unfortunately, as this site grows, there will be more and more people of suspicious character that will take advantage of the laid back, happy go lucky style of this forum. That sucks. I hope we do keep them in line. I like this little nirvana of pinballdom.

    SO, yes, we need to call out asinine sales threads. But we must also acknowledge the rising prices as of late and the fact that a well shopped, excellent machine is worth a dollar or two more than a beater with peanut butter on the flipper handles and autographs from 3 year olds on the side.

    I can't even remember if I have said all that came to my mind when I read this thread. I have probably written more than most people will read so I say goodbye


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    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Dang....that was novel. I about spit milk after I hit enter!


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Erik said:

    I don't know about this buddy system you repeatedly reference. For me it works like this: I will not buy a used game I haven't seen in person or that hasn't been vouched for by someone whose opinion I trust. If that means I'm part of some clandestine buddy system then so be it.

    If you don't like Robert's price, send him an offer. This isn't complicated stuff!

    And one last thing...+142.96


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    I sent him a pm to see what the beef is.

    Every pin in my collection has its price ...it can all be replaced rebuilt and pimped out.
    Average LOTR and SM are getting close to that line in the sand so I put it out there.

    Those who have sent genuine interest have gotten return offers but none have crossed that line I speak of. Everyone of my 20 or so pins I have sold have been for more than the average pin price and about 90% of them went to pinheads that have been doing this for 2
    + years all on the major forums.

    I have even sold to pinside members here for more than book only for them to flip out for hundreds more than what I sold for. Its all good if you want it buy it if you dont dont.
    I thought other prices on BIB -Tron- TRON LE were high. But I dont want them so whats it to me :). Looks like these two will be staying ....LOTR will get the brass treatment and SM will stay bone stock (other than shaker) if they do. Its all good its just pinball. If anyone sees anything they like in my line up shoot me a pm. Prices will be higher than average but you will have zero issues and no suprises.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    When buying a pin, like anything else, common sense goes a long ways. I have really only bought pins, with one exception, but I really don't think people should enlist in the Price Police to protect Noobs. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

    Takes all of a couple of minutes to research what a pin is worth. Do a thread entitled "Price Check", or better yet, since they are buying on Pinside, check and look at Pinside's price guide to at least get a ballpark figure.

    Car, computer, pinball, boat, etc..., if I am paying a lot of money on any item, I research the item I am buying. Have to disagree with you that Pinside is higher than RGP, Ebay, or any other outlet.

    Ebay is probably has the worst pricing on pinball machines and is probably the number 1 reason why sellers overprice on CL.

    Some awesome Ebay prices listed currently:

    2 Addams Family for 8995 (Each)
    Attack from Mars 8999 (Used, according to listing)
    Kiss 7777.77 (restored?)


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    I just traded/bought a HUO Lotr from a pinsider and paid about $4500. To have a mint HUO lotr for that price seemed really fair to me. I passed on a $3300 routed lotr and thought i messed up but I waited and landed a keeper.

    At this point I really love the machine too. The integration of the modes, shots and video is top notch.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Holy sheet, Gorilla. I will print that out and read tomorrow morning during my constitutional.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    I dont see the point about prices?
    everyone has a different threshold on what they will pay/expect and what they will not.
    you always hear about someone not willing to budge on $50 then driving home empty thinking about it for the next 3 hrs.
    To each his own ?


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Oh man, Erik, I do not really want to share THAT time with you....


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    HOOKED said:

    I sent him a pm to see what the beef is.

    I never said your name & I also listed machines not in your line up.

    So Hooked if the shoe fits... wear it proudly?

    Anyway those ebay deals are local to someone & none of the pinside listings are near me so its a moot point really. Then again I am picking up 3 HUO machines at the end of this month 900 miles from my home.

    Gorilla thats a long post, good to see you are passionate about pinball man. But I still dont see how pictures are not in the equation. Its not like a person can photo a dog machine & make it look like a HEP photo shoot. Natural light or a flash combined with a huge hi res pic can bring out defects the eye cannot see.

    Anyway I guess we are free to pay $5,500.00 for HUO with pics on a forum or $4,000.00 with pics everywhere else.

    Why do you guys keep bringing up unsold ebay auctions in your pro pinside gouge argument for pinside machines that didnt sell either? Look at COMPLETED auctions guys. C'mon, its for the greater good. I think...

    SHAZZAM

    PS I'm about to play 70 machines @ http://www.CPpinball.com & eat bacon while drinking beer. 2 hours to go!!! Be jealous


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    You know what, I was wrong.

    Pinside prices are great!

    Sorry guys, as you were.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    As a noob myself, I find it hard to price the market. Especially on top 10 machines. Does a routed TAF with considerable playfield wear really demand $4500? I'd like one, but not at that price in that condition. I think that's the great thing about Pinside; you can ask questions and get an idea if something is overpriced or not.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    gjbwalker said:

    As a noob myself, I find it hard to price the market. Especially on top 10 machines. Does a routed TAF with considerable playfield wear really demand $4500? I'd like one, but not at that price in that condition. I think that's the great thing about Pinside; you can ask questions and get an idea if something is overpriced or not.

    Hi Greg(?)
    That Taf you described sounds like $3k to me. Depends entirely on how accurate your assessment of considerable is.


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Well... I wouldnt buy it.

    Here are clean LED examples for the same or less that actually sold.

    ebay.com link » The Addams Family Bally Pinball Machine Leds Fester Knight Train Bear Etc

    or

    ebay.com link » The Addams Family Pinball

    or

    ebay.com link » Addams Family Pinball Machine Lqqk


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Nice use of shazaam! in that other thread pinballwizard. Seriously funny stuff!


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Exactly OP - exactly. And frankly, to me, anything over $4000 - $4200 for a well taken care of TAF (read: NOT HUO or CQ) = too much. I have it on my wish list, and I know I'm going to be waiting a while. Doesn't bother me though; those on eBay show that you can find a good example for x < $5000.

    I ALMOST pulled on the trigger on that $3850 one when it was on eBay. Man, it was tough; I really wanted to but didn't - ended up going down another road (at that time I didn't want TAF as much as I do now).


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    rommy said:

    We should use a code, most will never read this thread, and those who do can be in on it. Some word or phrase to post in a thread indicating OMFG THAT IS STUPID HIGH LOOK ELSEWHERE . Like "Shazaam!" . Something innocuous. I'll cast one vote for "Shazaam!" unless y'all come up with something better.

    Totally on board with this :).


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    I paid $4300 for a PERFECT HUO Lord of the Rings, and feel that was a great price! There's a lot of them out there with button wear, and playfield wear, not to mention other troubles. I don't want some crappy pin, I want a perfect one. So, yeah, price depends on condition. I'm sure you can find one for 2500 that is beat to shit that I wouldn't ever want in my house for one second. They may be out there, but even they are few and far between (now).


    1 year, 10 months ago
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    Pinballwizard79 said:

    Why do you guys keep bringing up unsold ebay auctions in your pro pinside gouge argument for pinside machines that didnt sell either?

    Because your original post asked:

    Pinballwizard79 said:

    Why are prople asking so much for LOTR, TSPP, SM & etc on pinside when the "general public" noobs pay thousands less even as the seller pays 8% in fees?

    The operative word is "asking". Who holds a gun to the buyers' head? It takes a few quick minutes to research the price on any pin. You are right about looking at completed items on Ebay for a guide, but do not act like Ebay doesn't scalp buyers. Here is evidence that took me all of 2 minutes to show a Pinside vs. Ebay sale:

    Whitewater - Ebay - 6000
    ebay.com link » Ws

    Good shape, new artwork

    Whitewater - Pinside - 3500

    Not as nice, but for the difference in price, 2500, I can put the money in and have a nicer pin.

    Honda350r sold his AFM for a little less than Ebay prices on here, and it had a brand new playfield installed. Plus his stuff works like it should.

    Once again, people can ask for any price they want, people that are spending crazy money for a toy should have the common sense to research prices. It is not rocket science.



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