ChadNC said:

BSD is rising in price along with everything else. I believe its gonna be rare to find one in great condition below 1.8-2.2k and its very possible for a pimped out one to be 400-500 more.

The one I and the one B_R has is very similar and I wouldnt take any less than 2.5k for mine!

Is Yr BSD still up for Grab's Chad ?

BMore-Pinball said:

going to look at a BSD on Sunday
Seller claims complete restoration including the following
What do you think it is worth?

Complely stripping the upper playfield, cleaning, then clearcoating with an automotive clearcoat finish. We then applied a new coat of wax, replaced mylar around pop bumpers.
Any Playfield Plastics are NOS. Even the ones that were riveted on were replace3d with the original style rivets.
All small metal parts and hardware on the playfield was polished in a vibrating polisher and look like new!
All new rubbers, and star posts installed.
The inside of the cabinet was washed, cleaned and repainted.
All flippers rebuilt with new plungers, coil stops, sleeves, pivots. The original lightning bolt flipper bats are installed.
The underside of the playfield was meticulously cleaned. The light boards under playfield removed and cleaned, and playfield lenses cleaned from underneath playfield.
New chrome legs and bolts are included. New leg levelers.
All solenoids (not just flippers and pop bumpers) disassembled, cleaned, and new sleeves installed. Pop bumper switches cleaned and adjusted, all pop bumpers have new wafers, and metal and fiber links installed.
All solder connections tested and any with broken or partially broken wires were resoldered.
All optos were cleaned for reliability. The long range optos for the mist ball are new.
All burned or black light bulbs replaced and all new bulbs installed on the upper playfield.
Excellent dot-matrix display.
Complete game testing to assure reliability
Original manual, and premium mirror glazed pinballs are included.

Well, I'm a cynic so I question the ability of this person, because a few things don't add up:

1) You don't put mylar back down over an automotive clear coat

2) You don't wash the inside of a cabinet. You sand it down to get rid of the grime and prep it for painting

3) Noone calls inserts 'lenses'

However, maybe it's just odd advertising with a few out of place words....IF indeed everything was done that was listed, and done correctly, then I'd say around 2.3K. I do not see any mention of cabinet condition and fade, so that may detract from that price.

PS...If this is the one in No VA, it's been for sale for a LONG time.

The pictures he sent me show it as a really clean machine
He said he "replaced mylar around pop bumpers" I will have to ask about that.

It's not in VA

Pictures can be VERY deceiving and I don't trust them save for giving me a very basic idea of the condition of a machine, whether it has potential or is a complete turd. Hopefully it turns out to be great and at a fair price. Good Luck on Sunday!

The Mylar on the pop bumper area would be considered a benefit to some, even with a clear coat.

Robert does high end restoration, an operator with too much time on his hands who is fixing up a machine might look at it differently.

BMore-Pinball said:

The pictures he sent me show it as a really clean machine
He said he "replaced mylar around pop bumpers" I will have to ask about that.
It's not in VA

Post the pics. If the thing truly is restored and not just shopped, the price is highly debatable. Personally, I would pay more than most people on this board for a he example of this machine, so I don't think you should listen to me. What's he asking for it?

Planking of playfield and magic marker touch ups for 2k no thank you. Maybe I'm too picky.

jalpert said:

I know a guy in your area that has a BSD. He's not selling, but he has a standing offer at $2K. Very nice cab, very nice play field. When you buy BSD you have to be VERY careful. There were two companies that made playfieds for the game Lenc Smith and Sun Process.
I would be very hesitant to pick up a BSD with a LS playfield, there was a problem with the wood they used, that's why lots of BSDs have insert chipping and planking. It doesn't mean you can't have a bad SP play field, but your odds are much better.
To tell who made the play field, remove the left instruction card from the aprin and shine a flashlight in there to expose the part number. The part number will end in either LS or SP, you are looking fo the SP.

Just checked my playfield and it's marked CCC (Churchill), so apparently there are 3 playfield manufacturers for BSD. Mine has no planking.

pictures as requested

more pictures

I thought it said he repainted the inside cabinet?

BMore-Pinball said:

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Look close at the playfield where the ball drops from the shooter lane. Notoriously bad for wear. Id say 1.7k-2.0k

BLACK_ROSE said:

ChadNC said:BSD is rising in price along with everything else. I believe its gonna be rare to find one in great condition below 1.8-2.2k and its very possible for a pimped out one to be 400-500 more.
The one I and the one B_R has is very similar and I wouldnt take any less than 2.5k for mine!
Is Yr BSD still up for Grab's Chad ?

Right now its in a pending trade deal for the 23rd! If something hapens I will let you know.

ChadNC said:

BMore-Pinball said:more pictures
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Look close at the playfield where the ball drops from the shooter lane. Notoriously bad for wear. Id say 1.7k-2.0k

I have to confess, I have never played nor seen a BSD in person. I just found this machine and saw it was high on the top 100, So I am going to see it.

That being said, I don't understand what area you are talking about, sorry.

BMore-Pinball said:

That being said, I don't understand what area you are talking about, sorry.

by the video letters. launch a ball and see where it lands, that's the spot. Mine has it.

Hard to tell much by the pictures as they aren't hi-rez, but what I do see confirms that it's not a high end restoration. That cabinet has not been repainted inside, and the outside has some suspect touchups. The PF doesn't look too bad but I'm concerned by the line at the ramp flap leading into the coffin lock. On a non-CC playfield that comes from the metal ramp flap constantly biting into the PF since that ramp raises and lowers. That line should NOT be there on a properly prepped, restored PF with CC.

So, based on everything I see, I'd buy it for 1.8 to 2.0K.

I take that back....He did 'repaint' the interior of the cabinet....WIRES AND ALL....look at the black bundle of wires above the tilt bob. That's pretty f'in lazy.

Looking at a BSD tomorrow morning too.

This one has some cabinet fade on one side - exposed to the sun a bit. There is a small pencil tip sized hole in the playfield from a screw being driven too far from underneath - not sure how that happened. Playfield has a couple of holes worn through the mylar, but no play field wear.

Last issue is right slingshot not working. Everything else is sound

Wants $1,450 firm

Comments? Thanks

I called about one tonight, he is thinking $1500. DMD is out, right flipper won't flip, he said a switch or two is broken. Part of me is still very tempted.

I offered $2k for both the Strange Science and BSD. I doubt he is going to call me back.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=19451460&cat=&lpid=2&search=Pinball

robertmee said:

.. I'm concerned by the line at the ramp flap leading into the coffin lock. On a non-CC playfield that comes from the metal ramp flap constantly biting into the PF since that ramp raises and lowers. That line should NOT be there on a properly prepped, restored PF with CC.

He said he put some Mylar over the play field in select locations, that could be a Mylar line you see, I will know tomorrow. Other then that, the pf actually looks very good in the pictures.

He also has an FT & TZ in similar condition

robertmee said:

The PF doesn't look too bad but I'm concerned by the line at the ramp flap leading into the coffin lock. On a non-CC playfield that comes from the metal ramp flap constantly biting into the PF since that ramp raises and lowers. That line should NOT be there on a properly prepped, restored PF with CC.

I looked at the area you were concerned about, it looks like that part was not repaired when the PF was CC but every other part of the PF looks 99% good. The clear coat is smooth over that area so I am not concerned. Machine has 0 cracked plastics, everything looked top notch. Also check that PF on BSD is an SD - thanks to this forum

I made a deal for a delivered price on both the BSD & FT.

Nice, BSD and FT are both awesome games IMO. I have them side by side at my place right now

Right on, Congrats. BSD is next on my list.

robertmee said:

He did 'repaint' the interior of the cabinet....WIRES AND ALL

You mean you should remove things before you paint it? I wonder if he stripped the playfield before he sprayed the clearcoat...