Crappy Black Rose for trade.

Just got a Black Rose and its the most brutal game Ive ever played. It has lightning flippers and seems to be drawn to the drain lane. At the risk of being mocked Im going to have to make some adjustments. The PF is perfect though I assume it is because you could never keep a ball on it.

3/11 update. Did a full PF teardown and clean. All LEDs new rubbers new balls replaced a few parts super cleaned everything still will not stay out of the drains. If you want a beautiful pin your friends and family will hate this is it. its just awful to play. Ill trade for something similar. Please no silly offers. Not looking to lose.

Might have a friend put it on location. Its got a bill changer already. 5 balls for .50 3 credits for a buck. 15 balls would last about a minute to a minute and a half. its sure a good looking machine.P3110170.JPGP3110171.JPG

#2 10 years ago

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CaptainFantastic

Inactive member

New Hope, PA

10y 33,400 352 2 32

I tried lowering the back leg levelers on mine to make the ball go slower...didn't seem to work Its a young mans game for sure.

#3 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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Think im gonna replace the flippers and adjust the drain lanes.

#4 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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#5 10 years ago

DMG

dgpinball

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Abbotsford, BC

12y 88,900 1,661 147 72

Great game, unique rules and feel, tough especially with the lightning flippers, but you want it to be a challenge!!

2 weeks later

#6 10 years ago

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Sturgis09

Inactive member

I adjusted my legs on this game, it was drowning too much for me as well. But mine doesnt have too fast of flippers, let me know if your adjustments worked! Your SINK SHIP is gorgeous and clean! How is your cabinet holding up?

#7 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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I did the adjustments and its still a drainer. My family really dislikes the game cause the balls just roll down the drains. Not much fun at all. Again I assume the PF looks so nice cause the average ball time is under 10 seconds.

#8 10 years ago

MAZ

zerbam

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Holland, MI

12y 77,550 1,289 8

change it to the full size black flippers.........

#9 10 years ago

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Sturgis09

Inactive member

This sounds funny, but my bf put the back legs in the front once and it didnt play right (obviously). I havent had any issues since figuring out that issue! lol Im sorry your game isnt doing well

#10 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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The flippers aren't the problem. The drain lanes are like magnets. Ive never seen anything like it.

#11 10 years ago

TOM

tdiddy

Diddy's Pinball Mods

Newbury, OH

11y 111K 2,960 19 19

You can put a larger diameter rubber on the outlane posts , this can help

#12 10 years ago

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Bohdi

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Burnsville, MN

11y 68,550 2,840 3 7

Quoted from tdiddy:
You can put a larger diameter rubber on the outlane posts , this can help

I've done that before also. There is no adjustment on the outlanes?

#13 10 years ago

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Sturgis09

Inactive member

How about like bumper bowling? Ive often wanted to try bumper pinball....no drain lanes!

#14 10 years ago

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captainadam_21

Inactive member

Sioux Falls, SD

12y 74,150 3,104 46

Quoted from Sturgis09:
How about like bumper bowling? Ive often wanted to try bumper pinball....no drain lanes

I did that with my Zizzle Pirates of the Carribbean. That game was so impossible I snapped and taped off the outlanes. It was still nearly impossible to get to wizard mode.

#15 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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I adjusted them as far in as I could.

#16 10 years ago

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Sturgis09

Inactive member

Quoted from captainadam_21:
I did that with my Zizzle Pirates of the Carribbean. That game was so impossible I snapped and taped off the outlanes. It was still nearly impossible to get to wizard mode.

Thats pretty awesome though! Im a pretty bad pinball player but I do have my moments. The first time I played Twilight Zone I thought I was pretty amazing! lol Being a blonde can be fun!

#17 10 years ago

BTF

PinballManiac40

Pinside+ Frequent

14y 234K 17,629 104

I guess I hadn't noticed mine being a drainer...though I do nudge my machine a bit.

#18 10 years ago

ZUN

pinBilly

Inactive member

Mission Viejo, CA

11y 59,400 398 21

With properly serviced flippers this game is easy to me despite being a fast drainer... Just keep hitting the whirlpool ramp, using that to collect your lock letters on the inlane. Start multiball, just keep looping that whirlpool ramp. An easy and safe shot...

#19 10 years ago

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Sturgis09

Inactive member

I do notice this is the most difficult multiball I've ever played!

#20 10 years ago

JMM

Allibaster

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Sheridan, WY

12y 87,050 2,053 4 17

Do you have the center peg in? The one between the flippers? You can put a bigger rubber on it.

Doesn't seem to be a drainer for me.

#21 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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There is no center peg. The problem is the drain lanes esp the right one.

#22 10 years ago

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Collin

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Columbus, OH

11y 116K 5,271 29 82

If you're not enjoying the game, sell it! (to me)

#23 10 years ago

JMM

Allibaster

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Sheridan, WY

12y 87,050 2,053 4 17

Strange. The one my dad has includes a center pin.

#24 10 years ago

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Digimatt

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Fort Wayne, IN

10y 56,550 170 5 1

I think the prototype machines have the center peg. Mine does not and yes it can be a drain monster. Some days I love it other days it drives me nuts. It can play incredibly difficult. Fun game though mine may be up for sale in the near future to fund another game.

#25 10 years ago

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Sturgis09

Inactive member

Mine does not have a center peg. I sure do love those center peg games!

#26 10 years ago

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Sturgis09

Inactive member

Quoted from Digimatt:
I think the prototype machines have the center peg. Mine does not and yes it can be a drain monster. Some days I love it other days it drives me nuts. It can play incredibly difficult. Fun game though mine may be up for sale in the near future to fund another game.

Oh you have a ToM. I'm green jealous!

#27 10 years ago

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nighttaco

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Colorado Springs, CO

10y 47,400 735 6 9

It is a hard game, but I really liked it, and once you REALLY learn all of the rules (3 ball multiball, how to light the letters in sink ship like crazy) it is a super fun game. Lightning flippers do not belong in that game though, ditch em.

#28 10 years ago

TOM

tjc02002

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East Haddam, CT

11y 51,650 501 13 10

If your draining in the outlanes you probably should increase the angle, not decrease. BR should play pretty fast IMO. Also make sure your outlanes are set the smallest, factory is middle i think. There are 3 positions on each side outlane.

#29 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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I already adjusted the drain lanes. Ill try to increase the angle.

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#30 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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Just played 2 games. 3 balls per game. Counting the times I shot the ball and it went right down the right drain "you gets another chance" went down the right drain 7 times down the left 4 times. This game sucks.

#31 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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My family uses Black Rose as a slang word. Instead of saying something sucks or whatever now "its like playing Black Rose" Anything bad is compared to the game. Guess at least everybody is enjoying it somehow.

#32 10 years ago

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Bohdi

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Burnsville, MN

11y 68,550 2,840 3 7

OP
Quoted from joekiss:
Just played 2 games. 3 balls per game. Counting the times I shot the ball and it went right down the right drain "you gets another chance" went down the right drain 7 times down the left 4 times. This game sucks.

Hmmm, this just doesn't seem right. I may be going to look at a Black Rose soon. Guess I better play it a bit before I buy huh?

#33 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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Yeah. When I was at the guys house I turned it on shot the ball 4 times went straight down the right drain. I finally took the glass off to bounce the ball around. I was just amazed how perfect the PF was. It looks brand new. Machine is in great shape and is beautiful.

#34 10 years ago

GOV

Gov

GOVS_Mods

Springfield, MO

11y 108K 5,768 10 28

You want to sell it? I will be in STL this weekend

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#35 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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I wouldn't sell it Id feel too bad. be like selling a crap car to someone.

#36 10 years ago

BOB

MrSanRamon

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San Ramon, CA

19y 107K 3,485 6

A couple of things...is it leveled side to side, if so perhaps skew it a bit making the LHS a little higher.

Can you re-drill (move) the LHS movable post hole to make the drain opening a little smaller, or is there an insert in the way?

Robert

#37 10 years ago

GAC

gac

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11y 85,550 2,888

I love crap. Ship that piece of crap to me for $1000.

#38 10 years ago

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Bohdi

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Burnsville, MN

11y 68,550 2,840 3 7

Quoted from MrSanRamon:
A couple of things...is it leveled side to side, if so perhaps skew it a bit making the LHS a little higher.
Can you re-drill (move) the LHS movable post hole to make the drain opening a little smaller, or is there an insert in the way?
Robert

That was my original thought, not level. Just seemed obvious to me that would be the 1st thing to be checked, especially if its that bad on one side.

#39 10 years ago

GOV

Gov

GOVS_Mods

Springfield, MO

11y 108K 5,768 10 28

OP
Quoted from joekiss:
I wouldn't sell it Id feel too bad. be like selling a crap car to someone.

Haha, I actually do want to buy one and I am serious, so if you are interested, let me know. I will be up there Sunday, with cash

#40 10 years ago

GAC

gac

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11y 85,550 2,888

I joke about it being a piece of crap but tell me how much you want for it shipped.

#41 10 years ago

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ullsokken

Inactive member

Svarstad

10y 25,150 70 3

Quoted from tdiddy:
You can put a larger diameter rubber on the outlane posts , this can help

I noticed the metal posts when looking at the picture, how about changing them to a single star post instead? They are wider. Also I think it would look nicer.

#42 10 years ago

BOB

MrSanRamon

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San Ramon, CA

19y 107K 3,485 6

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#43 10 years ago

TOM

tomdotcom

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Kamloops, BC

15y 112K 6,198 2

Learn what shots are drain shots. Key to being a good player...

Also make sure it's level as others have said.

#44 10 years ago

JMM

Allibaster

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Sheridan, WY

12y 87,050 2,053 4 17

Have you leveled it on the actual playfield? Is it level in the aback and the front?

#45 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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Leveling it wouldnt make a difference as it goes to both drains. When you shoot the ball it goes straight for the right drain. Ive adjusted how I shoot it any way I can think of its like theres a magnet under the PF on both sides. Im a pretty good player bought my first machine in 1994 been playing since I was a kid. We have a few machines and we all play a lot. like the star post idea.

#46 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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Ive got just under 2 grand in this machine. Wanna pay that for a drainer?? I would trade for a Judge dredd though.

#47 10 years ago

MAF

Kiwipinhead

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12y 78,800 2,213

Put it out on site. Sounds like a good earner

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#48 10 years ago

TMC

extraballingtmc

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Maple Ridge, BC

12y 131K 4,340 23 107 1

Terrible game, there's no saving it. Cut your losses and dump it asap

#49 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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Be a great on-site game. I could d 5 balls for a quarter average game would last 45 seconds.

#50 10 years ago

JOE

joekiss

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