I'm liking what I'm reading.

It's like LED's for pinball rubber

Man, those teal flipper rubbers would look just awesome on a WCS94!

Very cool, I just ordered a few. This should help a lot in keeping a game continuosly clean since the rubber won't be rubbed off into fine bits, spread back over the playfield.

any plans to do mini flipper ones too (the 1" x 1/2" size)?

I'll second the request for the mini ones -- they'd be -real- nice on the ACDC lower playfield.

Speaking of which, I have a test set of these on my ACDC -- not sure which hardness I have, but I will say one thing about them:

THEY. ARE. AWESOME.

There's a handful of folks in the DC metro that have some of these on their games.
I'm going to go buy a bunch in a few minutes for my games - I can't recommend them enough.

Definately going to have to try florescent on SM and FG since I have a black light in the ceiling that I never use anyhow. I'm looking forward to florescent sling etc rubbers someday too. Thanks PP.

You really have to see the fluorescent Green to appreciate it. It's out of this world like as in AFM Green!

Man - those are awesome! What color do you recommend for the Medevial Madness remakes?

Awesome, this is a much needed innovation IMHO. Definitely going to check these out.

Is the plan for "more rings" to include slingshots etc? And will those be in the range of colors? Fluorescent green slingshots comes to mind for games like SS or EATPM.

I can't wait to see the fluorescent under black light.

These look great. I bet these will be hugely popular.

I was imagining a Tron LE with the blue fluorescent rubber played in a dark room with only a blacklight on. How cool would that look?

I think I just had a heart attack. Once my wife sees this we are going to have to re-shop STTNG! CRAP!

I ordered a couple sets of the fluorescent ones in the normal softness just to check them out. Figured I'd get the crazy colors as long as I was trying them.

Is this the same type of material used on Cliffy's post sleeves?

lol...Eddie, I was kind of wondering the exact same thing. That was the first thought I had when I saw how shiny they were. AFAIK, Cliffy's sleeves are an extruded plastic, so I don't think it's the same, but I could be wrong?

I was wondering if the colored rings are going to be shiny as well or if they will have a matte finish?

Any comparison to ABC rubber with the #2s? The ABC stock at my disposal is dwindling and it's hard to do an entire game because I'm missing a few crucial sizes. I like the way the ABCs play and I'd love another option color-wise.

Cool. I was hoping for shiny, but gotta see how they look on the game. Can't wait for actual rings instead of just flipper rubber!

wow those look cool,
does the fluorescent rubbers react under a blacklight?

Hello all. The florescent colors will glow under a strong enough black light. Probably the yellow and green, more then the rest.

The material is Machine cast urethane. It can't be extruded or compression molded. There are millable Urethane's that can be compression molded and extruded but they can't achieve the same properties. The saturn martial costs 3 times as much as the raw gum rubber material.

In response to ABC rubber. The soft Saturn rings meets the hardness spec of the ABC low durometer ring. It has been observed by some that the #1 saturn ring plays like the original old school Williams ring. Just an FYI, all of the rings from a certain somebody are all the same durometer even though the colors are different. This is not how it's suppose to be. Traditionally black was high and red was low. I can only speculate that this was done to save money and make an inexpensive rubber but as they say, you get what you pay for. The truth is that a good quality gum rubber would not cost much less then Saturn rings and still not have all the added benefits. These are industrial quality urethane's we used. They are not just Urethane so beware of imposters. If it's cheaper, then it probably is cheaper! Also The shooter tips currently out there are not in spec. They skimped on quality and material.

With the money we put into machines it's hardly going to break the bank to drop a couple dollars on flipper rubber. I for one don't mind paying for quality and choice.

Anything you can tell us about plans for the rest of the playfield rubbers? Just options for new colors for those alone would be awesome, and if the other benefits play out like you say then that's icing on the cake.

Back in the day, white rings that were dyed black were available.

When you opened the bag, they smelled like Nigrosin.

So here's a fun question that's only mildly relevant... has anyone tested the durometer of Pinballcenter's clear rubbers? They're tough as nails and don't have any of the downside of black/white rubber, but can tear/pop if stretched too far beyond "spec". When I had it on Tron it was impossible to get the mini-post rubbers on the posts without breaking them.

One shop I service has a vertical pneumatic durometer; I wonder if they would run some tests?

Gene said he was going to run clear rubbers too, so it could add one more variable to the mix.

If they are clear and they are urethane, they can not and will not have good properties
but they may exhibit the benefits of as far as no flaking.clean up such. We opted to stay away from clear because the properties are not attainable.

The only clear ones I've felt in person seemed like they were silicone rubber; rather soft.

I'm not sure what Gene is using.

The ones from germany are way too hard to be silicone.. it felt like it was about 30% harder than a "normal" black ring, and played fast as crap....I was actually worried they might tear posts out of the playfield if they were wood screwed in and not t-nutted..

The soft ones could very well be silicone.

Nice!
Which online shop in Europe will be selling these?

In response to other rubbers, slings are in the works to add to the Saturn line up.

So does that mean the plan is to mainly just do slings (in addition to flippers, etc) or are you planning to have "all" the playfield ring sizes. I love this idea, but it seems somewhat pointless from a customization standpoint if you can't do all the visible areas in matching colors.

"In response to other rubbers, slings are in the works to add to the Saturn line up. "

I was under the impression from the inital posting that you guys were going to be making these in all standard ring sizes... if that's not the case, then bummer, because it's a total miss IMO. That's the reason I never bought colored rings from Gene, because it was always like he was missing one or two stupid sizes in any given color that I'd need to do a full set and it's a pinball machine, not a pinstripe suit.

If this material turns out only to be viable for flipper rubber, bumpers, and shooter tips... to me at that point I'm just like....who cares?

I received a set of these from one of the testers, and threw them on one of my most popular games on location. They are red, if I remember it right the durometer was said to be "40" which I'm assuming is the most bouncy. I have a lot of very good, high-ranked players who play at my location, and I didn't tell any of them I was switching the rubber. I just wanted to see if they would notice.

Within a couple of days, multiple players went out of their way to say that the rubber on that specific game felt great, and to ask where it came from. Very good sign!

It has been a few weeks now and the tips ARE wearing down at about the same speed that traditional red rubbers (the darker ones from Pinball Resource, not the quick-wear pink sticky ones) have been wearing down on location. But the good news is, like Tim says, they are much easier to clean and don't "soak in" the filth like traditional rubber does. The fact that we can get black rubber with "red" bounciness is fantastic, as well.

I'll be ordering a bunch shortly!

Okay, I'll make sure to order a few extra sets for each game when you have full sets that I need in stock.

Slings is a good starting point to test out how the ball plays against the three different types though, so I guess there is that to consider..once you get some inital stuff out I can order and try it out, then order full sets when the color I want is available.

I have the same mind set as Frax re Rubber Rings.

If I can't do a complete game with the same color Rubber Rings I don't really see the point in making RR's, with this caveat - unless I WANT to mix & match RR's dependent on the PF colors. But that will still necessitate making RR's in ALL the standard RR sizes in at least a few colors.

I had the same issues with Gene's colored RR's he didn't have what I needed for most Games to be all 1 color so I didn't buy any.

Maybe concentrate on a smaller set of colors in ALL the standard RR sizes & add colors as sales & specific color requests support them?

Pin - K

www.KimballsPinballs.com

I'm happy to be patient as you figure it all out, it sounds like you get the fact that we'd love *all* rubbers in color, and I look forward to the possibilities. Thanks for the update on your plans.

Any plans on making the Safecracker flipper rubbers?

Yes To safe cracker.

HOT PINK needed

Not that I'm arguing, just curious, what game would you put that on?

Playboy