AFM trade or restore? What to do???

Started 2 years ago by Drano in forum MarketBuying advice.


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AFM trade or restore? What to do???


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  • poll: What would you do?
    Have fun, restore it and sell/trade it later : (10 votes)
    30 %
    focus on the games I'm keeping and sell AFM as is for somethign I really want! : (23 votes)
    70 %


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      2 years ago
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      EDIT: Looks like this has officially turned to an AFM FS/FT post

      A little background:
      I purchased a nice (not perfect) AFM a couple of months ago. The game is currently residing in one of my company's US warehouses and awaiting free transport home to Toronto. I really love the look of this game and it's a great title. I've always wanted to restore one and had been considering doing a HEP style BAFM with all black trim and the works... just for the fun of it.
      I realize now that I probably don't want to keep AFM in my collection with MM being so similar, so I was thinking, have fun restoring it and see what I can get for it later. TRON LE and CV are some titles I'd be interested in.

      Then, I got busy!
      I now have a WH2O in my shop that I am doing a full tear-down restoration on and a FT that is waiting for the same treatment. Both are staying in my collection. I can only really do 1-2 games a year with my schedule so my plate is pretty full.

      So, with recent posts of TRON LEs FS/FT getting my interest. Do I go to trouble of restoring AFM to better than showroom condition and possibly put it on the market 4-6 months from now, or should I just trade it now "as-is" towards one of the titles I want? Not really interested in selling outright.
      What would you do? Let's vote on it

      -Game condition is very clean. Very little fade if any, but a few nicks on the cab.
      -Playfield is probably an 8.5 - 9 (small pencil eraser sized wear near left flipper and 2 or 3 inserts edges look like they may need some attention. SOL must have some wear but is covered for now)
      -has Pinbits shaker motor installed
      -has pf and GI LEDs installed
      -I have a set of original Pheonix Arcades decals included
      -I have a Pinbits blackout mod, new strobe board/lamp, saucer plate and a few other random parts.
      -game is fully blanket + shrinkwrapped and paletted.

      Here are a few teaser images (from original seller, not mine)


      2 years ago
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      It looks like a very nice example as it is, so the work you'd wouldn't add a great deal of value... so if you're not planning to keep it, I'd move it on as-is and save the time to spend on something you plan to keep...


      RobT

      Pinside legend
      12,383,623 3
      2 years ago
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      If you aren't keeping it, it doesn't make sense to restore it.


      pin-tastic

      Pinball addict
      1,161,150 4
      2 years ago
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      Why does it need restored ? Shop it out and play it for awhile and then sell it later on


      2 years ago
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      I've seen and played most of Drano's restored machines and his attention to detail and doing things right and keeping it as original as possible is great. Check his WH20 restore progress threads and pics and see. I already replied to his email this morning and told him if he has no intentions of keeping it to sell or trade it "as is" because a high end restore might put it in a harder to reach market and narrow down his trade choices for a lesser value machine.

      Sell or trade it and use the time to swap out your beautiful TAF CC'd playfield you showed me last Friday at your place instead. Not that the current condition of it is something to be ashamed of but that playfield was so nice and shiney


      2 years ago
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      pinballslave said:

      It looks like a very nice example as it is, so the work you'd wouldn't add a great deal of value.

      As it is, plus the parts I mentioned, this is probably a $7K game. If I were to do what I originally planned, this would be a $9K game. I would be lucky to get my money out of it and nothing for my labor, but it would be fun nonetheless and it would also give me a certain level of satisfaction.
      That's why I would trade rather than sell.


      donjagra

      Pinball master
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      2 years ago
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      I would leave it the way it is, it looks great.


      2 years ago
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      A lot of work just to sell, I think it is great as is, and someone would appreciate it in its original condition


      2 years ago
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      Depending on how much you're into it for, I'd restore it. Sounds like you're only a PF away. I wouldn't go all black (and didn't when I did mine).


      2 years ago
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      Put on hold...for me. enjoy it for awhile then i'll come to canada.


      2 years ago
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      futurepinhead said:

      Put on hold...for me. enjoy it for awhile then i'll come to canada.

      Are you bringing a TRON with you

      MrDo said:

      I'd restore it. Sounds like you're only a PF away.

      The pf is an easy fix. I have close-ups and the wear is minimal and I can easily airbrush it out. I also have access to great finishing facilities and would do a nice clearcoat on it.

      ovfdfireman said:

      A lot of work just to sell, I think it is great as is, and someone would appreciate it in its original condition

      It's a labor of love. I enjoy restoration as much as playing... sometimes more. Up close it does have it's issues, but a great example nonetheless. Top end player condition/low end collector. I would probably not sell, but finding it a good home and a trade for something I like would sit well with me.


      2 years ago
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      Keep it. AFM n MM really don't play too similar. AFM is a fast flow machine when you are hitting your shots. It will continue to climb in value and having one in all Black would be pretty cool. There is a reason it's a top 3 pin while the other's you mentioned aren't top 10 as of yet. CV is fun n I had a real nice one for over 10 years but would not give up AFM to get one back.


      2 years ago
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      smassa said:

      Keep it. AFM n MM really don't play too similar.

      I know, but variety is key for me. If I had a 30 pin collection, maybe.
      From the overall concept of the game play to the character's voices/quotes, there's just too much similarity with MM. Both games do play a bit differently, but I prefer the Medieval theme and humour.


      2 years ago
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      I have both MM and AFM and prefer AFM. To each his own, though.

      Personally, I'd sell or trade the AFM as is. That would be maximizing your profit. You can put a whole lot of money into a restore but you won't get that much out of it. Keep in mind, the high end market is relatively small and many with that kind of money, already have an AFM.

      No offense intended, but you won't get the kind of money on a restore like someone like HEP would get if Chris did it.

      Bryan (CARGPB 14)
      http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins

      Drano said:

      smassa said:Keep it. AFM n MM really don't play too similar.
      I know, but variety is key for me. If I had a 30 pin collection, maybe.
      From the overall concept of the game play to the character's voices/quotes, there's just too much similarity with MM. Both games do play a bit differently, but I prefer the Medieval theme and humour.


      2 years ago
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      Good advice Bryan. Nice original examples are hard to come by, leave it the way it is.


      2 years ago
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      Bryan_Kelly said:

      No offense intended, but you won't get the kind of money on a restore like someone like HEP would get if Chris did it.

      I agree. Not sure what Chris charges, but I would imagine he'd get a quite a bit more for his work.
      Like I said, it would just have been a fun project and I would have been happy to get something of equal or similar value in trade.

      That being said, my thoughts are certainly leaning closer towards not doing the restoration unless I decided for some reason to hold on to it. I always tend to go a bit overboard on my games, but I also never intend to sell any of them


      2 years ago
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      If you honestly enjoy restoring it and working on the machine; then resale opportunities or value arent as important. Restore it, have fun with it, then sell it when/IF you feel you dont play it anymore. MM and AFM play very similar so it usually comes down to what theme/art/music you like more. AFM for me all the way... MM didnt last 2 months in my collection after it was restored.

      Heres the pics on my personal AFM restoration:
      http://www.flickr.com/photos/r3zon8/sets/72157606911901091/

      The green saucers are my favorite!


      2 years ago
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      r3zon8 said:

      If you honestly enjoy restoring it and working on the machine; then resale opportunities or value arent as important.

      That's the way I look at it. It's a hobby for me, not a business. I'm not counting every penny.
      It's not like people don't spend money on other hobbys that they'll never get back. Sounds like we've turned into a bunch of bankers sometimes.

      I've always spent a lot doing up my pins. No apologies. I enjoy them and enjoy having them look and play right. This is the first game I thought of "restoring" and letting go. If I can put a sweet-a$$ AFM in the hands of someone who will love it, and I get something I like equally as much in return, I'm in! But, if someone likes it as-is and I can get closer to one of those pins, I'm open to that too... especially given the other games I have on the back-burner.

      Nice work on yours!

      Adriano


      2 years ago
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      It's a double edged sword on the restoration.

      If you have nothing else to work on, or another game you want to work around isn't around the bend yet, sure, enjoy it, restore it.

      But, if you're not going to keep it, and you have something else you own or want that you could be restoring, restore what you want.

      Time is finite. I have enough projects to last me several years that I want to work on. Unless someone is going to compensate me well for my labor, I'll work on what I want to work on


      2 years ago
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      Bring it to Canada!!!!!!


      2 years ago
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      Holy_Pickle said:

      Bring it to Canada!!!!!!

      I know, we're so desperate for pins up here. Anything to improve the local stock


      2 years ago
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      Keep AFM.


      2 years ago
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      kwiKimart said:

      Keep AFM.

      And sell MM????
      Just kidding. Ive already gone through the internal wrestling, I've rung my hands and paced back and forth. The conclusion: MM is staying and, although I do love AFM, I just want to have as much variety as possible in my lineup. For me that's TRON or CV.

      Surprisingly though, not a lot of offers so far. Where are all the guys that "say" they can't find an AFM??? I was expecting at least a little bit of interest
      I might just have to go ahead and haul her a$$ back to Canuckistan (thanks for that one Jason!)


      2 years ago
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      I'd love to buy it, just no funds. Good luck on the sale though. (You won't need luck)


      2 years ago
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      Man, this is simple. Sell it to me !!!


      2 years ago
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      NewPinOwner said:

      Man, this is simple. Sell it to me !!!

      Okay.... I'm listening
      As this thread goes on I'm starting to crack a little. Money will get me into a TRON or CV just as easily as a trade. What'cha offering?


      2 years ago
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      Take it or leave it. I would not touch it if it looks that good and still mostly original.


      2 years ago
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      Shoot_Again said:

      Take it or leave it. I would not touch it if it looks that good and still mostly original.

      For a player machine, it is very nice. For a collector, needs some cosmetic work. Depends what you're after.


      2 years ago
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      Just thought I would add one more twist.
      In addition to TRON LE, I've been entertaining trades for Tron Pro as well. The game would have to be NIB or very mint HUO and some cash would have to be coming my way.
      Just putting it out there.

      PS.
      The game is currently being stored in LV for those interested.


      2 years ago
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      Drano said:

      The game is currently residing in one of my company's US warehouses and awaiting free transport home to Toronto.

      Hey! Quit taking our pins out of the country!


      2 years ago
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      dirtrider said:

      Drano said:The game is currently residing in one of my company's US warehouses and awaiting free transport home to Toronto.
      Hey! Quit taking our pins out of the country!

      No problem, quit taking our Stanley cups and it's a deal


      2 years ago
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      Damn, you already have an addams... I was going to see if an addams and Funhouse would make you raise an eyebrow...


      2 years ago
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      Sorry, AFM is gone. Just waiting for payment to clear.
      Thanks anyway.



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