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Advice needed on Bally Future Spa and Displays

By Chaos

10 years ago



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#1 10 years ago

Think I maybe got myself in above my head here. Just did a deal on a Future Spa for a good price, but it needs a lot of work. I'm in South Africa, so pins are hard to find, and I just wanted a project to work on over time, and learn the ropes. Only have 2 pins that I really enjoyed shopping, but this one is going to be a job and a half...
I'm told it doesn't boot..but a tech that had it before says that all the displays are also not working. But what confuses me, is he says that to replace the displays with new ones, he needs to rework/replace the transformer, as the new displays use different voltage than the old ones.
Bear in mind, our machines here are all 220V.
But from what I can find out online, new replacement displays are plug and play...nothing else needed. So is he mistaken and would that be an easy (although pricey) replacement?
Does anyone have the part number of the Future Spa displays, and is the current PS-2518-A set, such as here: http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/PS-2518-A ok to use, and easy to fit?
I will look to see if they can be repaired, but not sure how many specialists there are around me that can do that.
Probably in the deep end here, but really wanted another pin to work on, after seeing how nicely my other 2 came out. Those were mainly cosmetic though..this one is going to be electrical up the wazoo
Appreciate any comments (not on how dumb I was though )
Reason I took the plunge is that the playfield and plastics look like they have good potential and will come out great. Hopefully....

Chaos

#2 10 years ago

Chaos,

The new LED displays run off of only +5v so the +185vdc circuit is not needed. Nothing on the xformer needs changed. You will only have to rework stuff if you have a weak 5v regulator that can not power everything. The early boards have 1-2amp voltage regulators, where later on 3amp regulators where used.

Before purchasing the aftermarket displays, i would make sure your plasma ones are indeed bad. The conenctors may need to be reworked. The solder joints are always broken.

#3 10 years ago

So if they did need replacing, it is just a matter of taking the old ones out and plugging the new ones in? There is no chance of any voltage work being needed?
Also..are those the correct displays and part number for this machine?
Are there still sources of the old style displays, or are new style ones the only option..and who has them for the best prices?
Thanks for the help, and sorry for all the questions.

Chaos

#4 10 years ago

You would have to buy all 5 pinscores to use them. Only worth it IMO if most of your originals are outgassed. Originals usually have board issues which are easily fixed. You may not need to buy all new ones.
I would fix all the circuit boards before you plop money down on a new transformer or displays.
I have seen replacement 6 digit plasma displays for sale somewhere. Will look.

I was in Grahamstown and Port E. last Summer. Nice people there.

#5 10 years ago

Chaos,

Wouldn, t it be smart to focus on the mpu board first?
If the game boots you can test better what is needed,
Also you can check if all voltages are present and correct and if not, work your way there.
i would be surprised if all displays are out, only if the 185 volt was out of limits for some time maybe.
But if they are, i can set you up with 5 good and tested ones, cheaper and nicer looking than the leds at least to my opinion.

#6 10 years ago

Thanks guys...and cudabee, I'll definitely take you up on that offer as soon as I know what is what. Please hang onto them for me.
Game is being delivered tomorrow, then will have a chance to check it out properly over the weekend. From what I heard, it doesn't boot. But we'll see. I'll have lots more questions, but this forum has not let me down.
2 Months ago...owning a pin was a distant dream. Now I have 2 awesome ones me and the gf shopped ourselves, and am about to start a real hard one. Is it weird to enjoy fixing/restoring more than playing?

Chaos

#7 10 years ago

I enjoy fixing more than playing too!

#8 10 years ago

Old Bally's are easy. Start with repairing the Power Control Board. Almost all non-working Bally has a toasted PCB. Everything goes thru this board first. Once that is fixed and you are getting good voltages and the connectors are nice and new, move on to the Solenoid Driver Board. Here you probably will need to rebuild the high voltage section and replace the capacitors. The MPU will not work unless it gets good smooth voltage from the SDB. If after you have fixed these, and you don't get all the flashes from the MPU, then I would send it out for repairs as the traces are small on this board. After I get the MPU fixed I then go to the lamp board and then the sound. You can buy Bally rebuild kits from Todd at www.bigdaddy-enterprises.com.

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